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Was Soleimani in Iraq legally or officially?

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posted on Jan, 5 2020 @ 04:44 PM
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a reply to: khnum

how in any way shape or form is this him declaring him self emperor man you guys get more ridiculous every day?

it got passed under bush and continued under obama that is why trump can willy nilly drone people at least terrorists in other nations least hes not killing american civilians

archives.cjr.org...

In the spring of 2009, New York Times reporter David Rohde was being held captive by Taliban gunmen in a house in Waziristan, a mountainous region on the Pakistan side of the border with Afghanistan. Aerial drones soared overhead, filling him and his kidnappers with a sense of dread, until one day, he later wrote, “Our nightmare had come to pass.” A drone fired missiles near their house, killing several militants on a road and terrifying people in the area. The house withstood the attack but, Rohde wrote, “the plastic sheeting covering the window hung in tatters.” He learned about the efficiency of the drones on that day and also saw the wrath they incurred: “My captors expressed more hatred for President Obama than for President Bush.” Rohde is one of the only Americans to see the drones up close: not, it turned out, as a reporter, but as a prisoner. His first-hand perspective on the strike is rare, and the novelty of his reporting underscores the difficulties of covering this new kind of war, a remote-controlled campaign officially denied by the US government that is unfolding in a region where Pakistani officials have forbidden reporters to travel independently.


www.vox.com...

From torture to drone strikes: the disturbing legal legacy Obama is leaving for Trump
so thanks obama?
and

Using drones to kill American citizens without trial, collecting the email and phone records of millions of Americans on a daily basis, and grabbing militants off of the streets of foreign cities and imprisoning them indefinitely — these are all powers that Obama has bequeathed to his successor. Presidents George W. Bush and Obama both dramatically expanded the power and authority of the executive branch, particularly in the realm of national security. In addition to having nearly unlimited power to start wars without Congress’s approval, presidents now have the power to order drone strikes on US citizens abroad without charges or trial, gather millions of Americans’ emails and phone records with minimal judicial oversight, and radically redefine what does and does not constitute “torture” without fear of ever being prosecuted for war crimes. That any president has this kind of power is concerning on its own, but it’s even more alarming now that Donald Trump, who has praised repressive dictators like Vladimir Putin and shown little respect for things like international law and the Geneva Conventions, is going to be in the White House.
so yeah sure an emperor riiiiigggghhhhhttttttt


www.theguardian.com...

The sun had yet to rise when missiles launched by CIA drones struck a clutch of buildings and vehicles in the lower Kurram tribal agency of Pakistan, killing four or five people and injuring another. It was February 22, 2016, and the American drone campaign had entered its second decade. Over the next weeks, officials in Washington and Rome announced that the US military would use the Sigonella air base in Sicily to launch strikes against targets in Libya. American strikes in Yemen killed four people driving on a road in the governorate of Shabwah and eight people in two small villages in the governorate of Abyan. A strike in Syria killed an Indian citizen believed to be a recruiter for the self-styled Islamic State, and another strike killed a suspected Islamic State fighter in northern Iraq. A particularly bloody series of drone strikes and airstrikes in Somalia incinerated some 150 suspected militants at what American officials described as a training camp for terrorists. In south-eastern Afghanistan, a series of drone strikes killed 12 men in a pickup truck, two men who attempted to retrieve the bodies, and another three men who approached the area when they became worried about the othersOver just a short period in early 2016, in other words, the United States deployed remotely piloted aircraft to carry out deadly attacks in six countries across central and south Asia, north Africa, and the Middle East, and it announced that it had expanded its capacity to carry out attacks in a seventh. And yet with the possible exception of the strike in Somalia, which garnered news coverage because of the extraordinary death toll, the drone attacks did not seem to spark controversy or reflection. As the 2016 presidential primaries were getting under way, sporadic and sketchy reports of strikes in remote regions of the world provided a kind of background noise – a drone in a different sense of the word – to which Americans had become inured. Senior officials in the administration of President Barack Obama variously described drone strikes as “precise,” “closely supervised,” “effective,” “indispensable,” and even the “only game in town” – but what they emphasized most of all is that the drone strikes they authorized were lawful..
so lawfull and legal not the actions of an emperor just some one following in his last two predecessors foot steps but sure i guess orange man bad

as others state he was under an UN travel ban and left iran and we droned him ,with zero civilian causalities at least least hes not hitting civilian targets or US citizens with his strikes so far and it seems finally if iraq goes forward with asking us to leave we can get out of this quagmire that is iraq and bring some of the troops home ,now if only we could get out of afganistan and actually for the first time since i was in HS not be at war with arab nations




posted on Jan, 5 2020 @ 04:45 PM
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originally posted by: khnum
a reply to: Lysergic

Cute entertainment on the Titanic


I give you props on your over-reactionary reeeeeing.




posted on Jan, 5 2020 @ 04:46 PM
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originally posted by: Ohanka
Iranian forces were in Iran on the direct invitation of the Iraqi Government.

So completely legally.



Now he's legally dead.



posted on Jan, 5 2020 @ 04:49 PM
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www.independentsentinel.com... hlmEe9JC6NkMWnSwV7bA

Barack Obama’s former DHS Secretary told Chuck Todd on ‘Meet the Press’ that Qassem Soleimani was a “lawful military objective” and the President had “ample domestic legal authority to take him out.” Former Secretary Jeh Johnson leaves open the possibility that the terror general wasn’t a terrorist, but even then, he states he was a “lawful military target.” Soleimani and his Quds Forces were declared terrorists by the United States in 2007 and Barack Obama never sought to change the designation. Todd asked Johnson, “There is a legal reason he keeps saying the word terrorist, isn’t there?” Johnson responded, “No, not necessarily. If you believe everything that our government is saying about General Soleimani, he was a lawful military objective, and the president, under his constitutional authority as commander in chief, had ample domestic legal authority to take him out without an additional congressional authorization.” It didn’t matter if he was a terrorist. “Whether he was a terrorist or a general in a military force that was engaged in armed attacks against our people, he was a lawful military objective.”
legal target he threatened the safety of us lives and its personnel so yeah legal



posted on Jan, 5 2020 @ 04:50 PM
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originally posted by: khnum
a reply to: Ksihkehe

So dispensing with Congress in the declaration of war is a Presidential power in whatever demented version of your Republic you subscribe to OK



Ummm...who declared war...?

Please call me an ugly American...too...cause deplorable...is just so...2016...

And stop that touching yourself in public...wanker...







YouSir
edit on 5-1-2020 by YouSir because: I jumped the shark...



posted on Jan, 5 2020 @ 04:50 PM
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originally posted by: khnum
Isnt anyone here concerned that Donalds most recent tweet dispenses with Congress and declares himself emperor?


First i'm hearing of it.

I think the President declaring himself Emperor would be bigger news.



posted on Jan, 5 2020 @ 04:56 PM
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originally posted by: Ohanka
Iranian forces were in Iran on the direct invitation of the Iraqi Government.

So completely legally.



Ummm...One would hope that Iranian forces were in Iran...I’m personally glad the Iraqi government invited them to be back there...in their own country...


Ha...Ha...





YouSir


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posted on Jan, 5 2020 @ 04:57 PM
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When was war declared ? As far as I know, there was a declaration of the fact that trump will respond to any aggression against Americans, or their assets. Things are fluid over there. We can’t afford to wait for approval that could take weeks or months while Americans die.

I reserve the right to protect myself if I am attacked or threatened, don’t you? Or is your advice for me to call the police after the fact, that is if I’m not dead or badly injured. This Iranian aggression has gone on thru several administrations. We finally have a president that is willing to deal with it. Enough is enough.



posted on Jan, 5 2020 @ 04:57 PM
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a reply to: YouSir

Well spotted, doh.



posted on Jan, 5 2020 @ 05:00 PM
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originally posted by: Ohanka
Iranian forces were in Iran on the direct invitation of the Iraqi Government.

So completely legally.


Legality can only be backed up by enforcement. Many legal laws why illegal aliens should be deported in the US. The laws are not enforced. Laws are worthless without enforcement.

The US killed him. Legal or illegal, nothing Iraq or Iran could do about it. Laws are worthless without something to back it up. They can pass all the laws they want. It won't stop anything.



posted on Jan, 5 2020 @ 05:02 PM
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posted on Jan, 5 2020 @ 05:27 PM
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It's sad.

Really effing pathetic.

Trump hatred is so strong that people can't even agree that Iranian monster terrorists should be dead [snipped] all the time.
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posted on Jan, 5 2020 @ 05:32 PM
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An emperor with just an $80 million dollar bounty on his head.

Obama rated 10 camels. Clinton 20 chickens.

I'd wish he'd tweet about that.




posted on Jan, 5 2020 @ 05:46 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
It's sad.

Really effing pathetic.

Trump hatred is so strong that people can't even agree that Iranian monster terrorists should be dead [snipped] all the time.


Yes it is. If the UN directive was accurate and binding, he shouldn't have been in Iraq even if there were other Iranians there by invitation. But the hysteria of the Left just keeps showing itself over and over again, and they wonder why we don't take them seriously.
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posted on Jan, 5 2020 @ 05:46 PM
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a reply to: neo96

every one knows the only emperor the usa ever had was frigging awesome. the emperor Edward Norton (and protector of Mexico)

en.wikipedia.org...

Joshua Abraham Norton (February 4, 1818[3] – January 8, 1880), known as Emperor Norton, was a citizen of San Francisco, California, who proclaimed himself "Norton I, Emperor of the United States" in 1859. In 1863 he took the secondary title of "Protector of Mexico" after Napoleon III invaded the country.[4] Norton was born in England but spent most of his early life in South Africa. He sailed west after the death of his mother in 1846 and his father in 1848, arriving in San Francisco possibly in November 1849.[5] Norton initially made a living as a businessman, but he lost his fortune investing in Peruvian rice[6] to sell in China due to a Chinese rice shortage. He bought rice at 12 cents per pound from Peruvian ships, but more Peruvian ships arrived in port which caused the price to drop sharply to 4 cents.[7] He then lost a lawsuit in which he tried to void his rice contract, and his public prominence faded. He re-emerged in September 1859, laying claim to the position of Emperor of the United States.[8] Though Norton received many favors from the city, merchants also capitalized on his notoriety by selling souvenirs bearing his name. "San Francisco lived off the Emperor Norton," Norton's biographer William Drury wrote, "not Norton off San Francisco."[9] Norton had no formal political power; nevertheless, he was treated deferentially in San Francisco, and currency issued in his name was honored in the establishments that he frequented. Some considered him insane or eccentric,[10] but citizens of San Francisco celebrated his imperial presence and his proclamations, such as his order that the United States Congress be dissolved by force and his numerous decrees calling for the construction of a bridge and tunnel crossing San Francisco Bay to connect San Francisco with Oakland. On January 8, 1880, Norton collapsed at the corner of California and Dupont (now Grant) streets and died before he could be given medical treatment. Upwards of 30,000 people lined the streets of San Francisco to pay him homage at his funeral.[11][12] Norton has been immortalized as the basis of characters in the literature of Mark Twain, Robert Louis Stevenson, Christopher Moore, Morris and René Goscinny, Selma Lagerlöf, and Neil Gaiman.
so gonna be pretty hard to top that guys awesomeness for any future "emperors"



posted on Jan, 5 2020 @ 05:50 PM
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originally posted by: khnum
Isnt anyone here concerned that Donalds most recent tweet dispenses with Congress and declares himself emperor?


Why not, he already has declared himself messiah and god.

Which mentally balanced, normal people do... all the time...




posted on Jan, 5 2020 @ 05:52 PM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: khnum
Isnt anyone here concerned that Donalds most recent tweet dispenses with Congress and declares himself emperor?


Why not, he already has declared himself messiah and god.

Which mentally balanced, normal people do... all the time...




Someone clearly missed the Obama years.




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