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Hey, Climate Change Activists: MANY Australian Bush Fires Are Deliberately Set

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posted on Jan, 6 2020 @ 12:22 PM
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a reply to: Wardaddy454


Why isn't New Zealand as dry?


Australia is a continental landmass of 7.692 million km²
That means in retains more heat in its interior, and weather patterns form in a different manner to an island like New Zealand.


New Zealand is an island of 268,021 km² (nearly 29 times smaller than Australia) which is over 1000 miles from Australia in the Pacific Ocean, and further south so not only is it considerably smaller, it is predominently exposed to weather patterns driven by sea currents from the South Pacific and Southern Oceans.

Hope that explains it.




posted on Jan, 6 2020 @ 12:38 PM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: FyreByrd
a reply to: shawmanfromny

The initial 'cause' of any given fire is not the issue.

It is the conditions on the ground that allow for easy combustion and difficulty in controlling and extinguishing the fire once begun.

This counter argument that X, Y or Z did not cause an incident (i.e. global warming is not caused by mankind) is overly simplistic and dangerous. It does not take into account all the factors involved nor the context which the initiating 'spark' so to speak was a single piece.

It's the same argument that tobacco company's used, "Cigarette smoking doesn't 'cause'" lung cancer." The 19th and 20th centuries deconstructive methods of the science and thinking are no longer valid for the complex problems we need to answer contemporary questions.



Why isn't New Zealand as dry?


Why isn't New Hampshire as dry as Arizona?


Exactly.




posted on Jan, 6 2020 @ 12:41 PM
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originally posted by: neformore
a reply to: Wardaddy454


Why isn't New Zealand as dry?


Australia is a continental landmass of 7.692 million km²
That means in retains more heat in its interior, and weather patterns form in a different manner to an island like New Zealand.


New Zealand is an island of 268,021 km² (nearly 29 times smaller than Australia) which is over 1000 miles from Australia in the Pacific Ocean, and further south so not only is it considerably smaller, it is predominently exposed to weather patterns driven by sea currents from the South Pacific and Southern Oceans.

Hope that explains it.




Of course. I was trying to get the other poster to think a little harder about what exactly Australia is.



posted on Jan, 6 2020 @ 02:37 PM
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originally posted by: harold223

originally posted by: TritonTaranis

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: shawmanfromny

Does that mean climate change cannot exacerbate the problem?


Australia see temps just like this every summer

Just like California

Both were the climate is similar they have the same bushfire problems, we are seeing an increase due to far left climate alarmists exacerbating bushfires, not climate

When you see a bush fires on this scale in parts of the world it isn’t the norm, you might have a point but everything looks pretty normal


Bull...


Go pull up last years temp records to now

Then drop on top the wildfires data

Even Australia is saying 50% of the fires are arsonist

www.google.com...
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posted on Jan, 6 2020 @ 02:54 PM
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RAAF C-27J, and C-130 aircraft attempting to land. The C-27J was eventually able to land and pick up passengers to evacuate from the fire areas. The C-130 eventually diverted to Canberra to deliver firefighting supplies and crews.




posted on Jan, 6 2020 @ 03:49 PM
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originally posted by: weirdguy
No # people start fires, we had a dickhead start 2 in my town on 28th December, he is 31 years old.

It doesn't mean that climate change isn't real, deniers sound like flat Earthers to be honest.
Climate change is pretty obvious if you pay attention to what going on around you.
And some people still think it's about collecting tax? Total morons.


Climate change is obvious? Or maybe you mean weather change is obvious? Climate change happens over thousands of years, it's a cyclical thing. Humans are not causing it.



posted on Jan, 6 2020 @ 04:05 PM
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ATTENTION:

Apparently someone set a fire, the only obvious conclusion to make is Climate Change is a hoax.

THANK YOU..CARRY ON.



posted on Jan, 6 2020 @ 06:36 PM
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originally posted by: panoz77

originally posted by: weirdguy
No # people start fires, we had a dickhead start 2 in my town on 28th December, he is 31 years old.

It doesn't mean that climate change isn't real, deniers sound like flat Earthers to be honest.
Climate change is pretty obvious if you pay attention to what going on around you.
And some people still think it's about collecting tax? Total morons.


Climate change is obvious? Or maybe you mean weather change is obvious? Climate change happens over thousands of years, it's a cyclical thing. Humans are not causing it.


Read the report. Yes I believe that most of climate change is natural cycle too, if there are Ice ages then there would naturally be Hot ages at the peak in interglacial periods. But there is also evidence that human activity has exasperated the problem. Climate change does not start bushfires, but it has provided the environment for longer, more ferocious and more numerous fires to develop.
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posted on Jan, 6 2020 @ 06:46 PM
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So where is the op in this conversation? Is this all just for stars and flags? ffs



posted on Jan, 6 2020 @ 07:05 PM
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originally posted by: glend
a reply to: weirdguy

"Read the report"

Nope, already seen more crap from them than I care too. Raw data from many station show a cooling trend over last 100 years ....



But is remodelled by BOM to show a warming trend....



This remodelling – known as homogenisation – involves the detection of discontinuities and then adjustments which generally result in past temperatures being cooled relative to the present. By cooling the past, present temperatures appear hotter. For example, considering maximum temperatures at Rutherglen, the largest single drop-down (adjustment) to daily temperatures occurs from 1 January 1938 back in time. The Bureau classifies the hot summer of 1938/1939 as a ‘discontinuity’ that is ‘statistical’ in ‘cause’ and then cools all the days before 31 December 1938 by 0.6 degrees Celsius back to 1912 – the beginning of the record.

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They have also been caught adding fake data so I am not interested pressing my point. If you care to find truth then you can research it yourself.


The report is published by the BOM but it is using CSIRO data. You would understand this if you weren't so biased to a point that you refuse to simply click on a link.



posted on Jan, 6 2020 @ 10:51 PM
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originally posted by: harold223

originally posted by: rickymouse
a reply to: harold223

He says it cycles, yet he says this cycle is climate change but the others weren't? That isn't even correlation.

Yes, we are poluting, but what the Paris Climate change BS is pushing is not going to fix the problem. We need to build things to last way longer, remaking all this death dated crap with short life has to stop. That is the best way to fix it. Also, we need to stop dumping all these chemicals onto our land, it is killing the organisms that actually tie up the carbon. Lots of microbes are beneficial to the environment.

The climate agenda scam is just a scam, the old environmentalists back in the seventies were trying to tell people to stop all of the destruction to the environment, heck, they would pile six to eight people into a VW van and travel hundreds of miles to go to demonstrations, they did not fly or travel individually, they actually carpooled. One person flying across the country equates to more fuel than three people driving across the country in a car. So, a couple flying across the country is way worse than them driving. On top of that, if you had to drive, you would probably not go because your vacation would be all traveling.

It is all screwed up now, Activists do not have to slam people, they need to educate them and get the people to demand products that last way longer. It would save money if everything lasted twice as long too, even if the cost was a third more. China can make products that last but the importers from America want them to fail so they can sell new ones again in a few years. Our economy is consumer based now mostly, so everyone has to buy more often so our people got jobs selling and transporting goods from china, we should make more here where environmental standards are higher.


I agree entirely about goods needing to last longer. Consumer capitalism has bought about a situation of planned obsolescence so that people are always buying and consuming. That has got to stop - but stopping that is very bad for business. The other stuff you mention about not believing in the climate science that is before us. Might as well be a flat earther at this point. Sorry but it is fact, pure and simple, undeniably proven fact. If you do not believe the overwhelming weight of peer reviewed evidence on this matter then the conversation ends here for me. I will not waste my time because nothing I can say, or link to will make you believe otherwise.


I did not say that I do not believe the evidence that the earth is warming. I said that the whole paris climate crap does not do much to fix the problem. The earth has the ability to heal itself, but we are poisoning the environment and that is not being targeted to fix. The Paris Climate deal is a scam to raise money for people with ties to the scam they are running, they are paying lots of money to research what we already know, scientists are getting good paychecks to write their evidence.

We are in a cycle, that cycle is getting exagerated by excess stuff in the air. Methane is way more of a problem than carbon dioxide, so is nitrous oxide. Yet the solution is to increase natural gas to fuel power plants, and the infrastructure is leaking lots of methane. They are making lots of corn gas, which requires a lot of nitrogen to be released in the process. All of the environmental solutions any of the big government people exploit, are actually hurting the environment more than helping.

The environmentalists, tree huggers, back around the seventies would be much better at solving the problem than anyone high up in government. They actually cared about the environment, they did not want to line their pockets.

By exporting the jobs to China from the USA, we created a much bigger environmental problem, because they do not have as good of environmental standards. Plus the stuff is shipped half way across the world. How is that environmentally friendly? Now the climate change agenda crap out of Paris makes it almost impossible to start new American factories with more stringent present environmental policies, to build new factories we must reduce the emmissions by a percentage I think, we are already way less than China has, yet if we build new factories we have to get way better yet, which is not feasible. Europe wants the USA to keep importing, but our people are not working and thriving anymore, we need our factories back so everyone can make a living wage and we can keep our money here instead of giving it to foriegn companies to boost their government's economy.

Europe is being a jerk, Obama was a fool to not be able to see what was happening. The USA is being charged for China's pollution because we import so much from there. Pollution is world wide, we need to start building what we use, and not ship it half way around the world.



posted on Jan, 7 2020 @ 03:31 AM
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a reply to: weirdguy

Not bias. I have read through so much weather data (from both camps) in last 20 years I really don't need see anymore. The problem is the data. Like any program, if you put rubbish in, you will get rubbish out.

The stupid victorian Government believed BOM/CSIRO fear reports, years back, about reduced rainfall, spent 6 billion dollars on a desalination plant that cost $650 million a year to sit idle.





posted on Jan, 7 2020 @ 08:05 AM
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Of course they were, aside from embers from existing fires and the few we know were started by lightning.

Vegetation has been increasing in our country at about the same rate as the rainfall over the past 40 or so years.

Over the past year however, rainfall has been below the increasing average in many areas and this has caused much of the bushland to dry out.

With ever increasing fuel ready to burn when a dry spell came about, in our chaotic solar system, it was bound to happen when there are people in this world that are too curious or enjoy watching the world burn.

The amount of fires also increased as publicity increased.

Curiosity killed the cat...

If you want a conspiracy to play with though, maybe the dems started them to push the climate narrative then trump bombed soleimani to help convince us we need his military?

edit on 7-1-2020 by Tropics because: Added conspiracy for fun



posted on Jan, 7 2020 @ 08:08 AM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: shawmanfromny

Does that mean climate change cannot exacerbate the problem?

More likely their retarded refusal to clean up their forest floors because if some weevil..



posted on Jan, 7 2020 @ 10:54 PM
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originally posted by: rickymouse
a reply to: harold223

He says it cycles, yet he says this cycle is climate change but the others weren't? That isn't even correlation.

Yes, we are poluting, but what the Paris Climate change BS is pushing is not going to fix the problem. We need to build things to last way longer, remaking all this death dated crap with short life has to stop. That is the best way to fix it. Also, we need to stop dumping all these chemicals onto our land, it is killing the organisms that actually tie up the carbon. Lots of microbes are beneficial to the environment.

The climate agenda scam is just a scam, the old environmentalists back in the seventies were trying to tell people to stop all of the destruction to the environment, heck, they would pile six to eight people into a VW van and travel hundreds of miles to go to demonstrations, they did not fly or travel individually, they actually carpooled. One person flying across the country equates to more fuel than three people driving across the country in a car. So, a couple flying across the country is way worse than them driving. On top of that, if you had to drive, you would probably not go because your vacation would be all traveling.

It is all screwed up now, Activists do not have to slam people, they need to educate them and get the people to demand products that last way longer. It would save money if everything lasted twice as long too, even if the cost was a third more. China can make products that last but the importers from America want them to fail so they can sell new ones again in a few years. Our economy is consumer based now mostly, so everyone has to buy more often so our people got jobs selling and transporting goods from china, we should make more here where environmental standards are higher.


Well said. You hit on my reason for joining ATS. That we should focus on real pollution that poisons the land and to find a way for logical changes like you have suggested in this reply. Activist are either not properely educated or are working the NWO playbook that US is bad for some reason even though we are for Freedom and Justice for all.



posted on Jan, 7 2020 @ 10:59 PM
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originally posted by: harold223

originally posted by: rickymouse
a reply to: harold223

He says it cycles, yet he says this cycle is climate change but the others weren't? That isn't even correlation.

Yes, we are poluting, but what the Paris Climate change BS is pushing is not going to fix the problem. We need to build things to last way longer, remaking all this death dated crap with short life has to stop. That is the best way to fix it. Also, we need to stop dumping all these chemicals onto our land, it is killing the organisms that actually tie up the carbon. Lots of microbes are beneficial to the environment.

The climate agenda scam is just a scam, the old environmentalists back in the seventies were trying to tell people to stop all of the destruction to the environment, heck, they would pile six to eight people into a VW van and travel hundreds of miles to go to demonstrations, they did not fly or travel individually, they actually carpooled. One person flying across the country equates to more fuel than three people driving across the country in a car. So, a couple flying across the country is way worse than them driving. On top of that, if you had to drive, you would probably not go because your vacation would be all traveling.

It is all screwed up now, Activists do not have to slam people, they need to educate them and get the people to demand products that last way longer. It would save money if everything lasted twice as long too, even if the cost was a third more. China can make products that last but the importers from America want them to fail so they can sell new ones again in a few years. Our economy is consumer based now mostly, so everyone has to buy more often so our people got jobs selling and transporting goods from china, we should make more here where environmental standards are higher.


I agree entirely about goods needing to last longer. Consumer capitalism has bought about a situation of planned obsolescence so that people are always buying and consuming. That has got to stop - but stopping that is very bad for business. The other stuff you mention about not believing in the climate science that is before us. Might as well be a flat earther at this point. Sorry but it is fact, pure and simple, undeniably proven fact. If you do not believe the overwhelming weight of peer reviewed evidence on this matter then the conversation ends here for me. I will not waste my time because nothing I can say, or link to will make you believe otherwise.


As a professional environmentalist who measures pollution, temperatures and humidity i am telling you that Ricky is right. You guys have bought a cycle that charlatans have been using because they are teaming up and GRABBING FOR POWER AND GOLD.

They have trained their efforts on the public they have marked as their source of power and money. The IPCC reports that they are NOT ABOUT CLIMATE but about redistribution of wealth. Go see for yourself the data was tweaked to remove the 1930;s as the hottest on record. See teh Aussie data manipulation reported here on ATS.

THE TRUTH. See the truth because you don't see it now if your post is not satire.


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posted on Jan, 7 2020 @ 11:34 PM
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a reply to: IAMALLYETALLIAM

Have you seen the threads on the Magnetic poles dramatic movement?

Magma is very close to the surface and when it moves to the orientation of the new magnetic pole or as it moves, the entire world is going to see dramatic changes with EQ's and with strange weather.

Magma and Water are affected by the location of the Magnetic Poles.
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posted on Jan, 7 2020 @ 11:38 PM
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originally posted by: weirdguy
Here you are climate change deniers, read this report if you can


www.bom.gov.au...



These changes affect many Australians, particularly the changes associated with increases in the frequency or intensity of heat events, fire weather and drought. Australia will need to plan for and adapt to some level of climate change.







Can you go grab that graph that show the Earths average temps were taken from the dawn of scientific tools for measuring temps were fairly accurate and then the one the Geologist have over the epics?

I mean that graph is not very representative of Earth's normal extreme range of data proven by science before Al Gore came along.

The cycle of temp swings is still the truth. It will always be the truth. There will be no equilibrium of temperatures until we are swallowed by Sol.


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posted on Jan, 7 2020 @ 11:45 PM
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originally posted by: harold223
a reply to: glend

BULL^&$%



Are you one of those proving our point about the data being a LIE? Why re you not paying attention to the trut? Are you stuck up the butt of some entity that you WANT to believe? Because you are way off.
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posted on Jan, 7 2020 @ 11:48 PM
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Magma is very close to the surface and when it moves to the orientation of the new magnetic pole or as it moves, the entire world is going to see dramatic changes with EQ's and with strange weather.


Does the term "Curie temperature" mean anything to you? Magma is not affected by magnetism.



Magma and Water are affected by the location of the Magnetic Poles.
No they aren't.

Try moving water with a magnet. A refrigerator magnet should do the trick, it's more than a hundred times more powerful than the Earth's magnetic field at the poles.

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