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NY Reform Bail Law Backlash...Criminals Are Being Released And Committing More Crimes

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posted on Jan, 4 2020 @ 03:01 PM
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Yeah, I get it, the old "bail" system criminalized poverty and a change was needed. However, this new bail reform law in New York State, that went into effect on Jan. 1st, is allowing criminals charged with serious offenses, to be released without bail, while awaiting their trial. I think people charged with possession of pot, shoplifting, etc., should be allowed to be released from jail without bail, because our prisons are so overcrowded. IMO, crimes like these are petty crimes, often committed by people who are non-violent.

However, I think it's ridiculous to assume that people charged with the criminal charges listed below, are "non-violent" and should just get an appearance ticket and set free from jail without bail. IMO, no one, wealthy or poor, should be allowed on the streets, if they're charged with the crimes listed below. WHY? Because it puts the public safety at risk.


New York’s so-called criminal justice reform laws went into effect on New Year’s Day.

Offenders found in possession of a wide array of weapons – including guns, switchblades, swords, machetes, and stun guns – will now be issued a “desk appearance ticket” and “set free,” the New York City Police Benevolent Association (PBA) pointed out in a Facebook post in December.

Lawmakers also eliminated cash bail for hundreds of other criminal charges, including stalking, arson, resisting arrest, money laundering in support of terrorism, rioting, vehicular assault, unlawful imprisonment, negligent homicide, and a slew of drug-related charges.

Criminal offenses against children, including child abuse, promoting child prostitution, facilitating female genital mutilation, and possessing or promoting a sexual performance by a child will also be treated with a mandatory release.

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Now, some New York State lawmakers (Democrats) are starting to question this new law, "after seeing the initial disastrous results of eliminating cash bail."


With a rise in anti-Semitic hate crimes over the holiday, some Democrats are now rethinking the sweeping bail reform passed by both houses of the state legislature last year.

The change eliminates cash bail for those accused of committing a litany of misdemeanors and felonies, including many nonviolent hate crimes.

"Where I think there is real agreement is that the bail reform law needs to be amended," said Mayor Bill de Blasio.

De Blasio met with Jewish leaders in Brooklyn Thursday afternoon. He has so far rejected calls from the community to declare an emergency, but he did seem to embrace the position that bail reform may have taken place a bit too hastily, and without enough community input.

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"There is a chance now for the legislature to get it right," de Blasio told Jewish leaders in Brooklyn on Thursday. “They did some very good reforms, but there are also things that need to be done, particularly empowering judges to determine if someone poses a threat to the surrounding community."

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This law needs to be "amended" already? After only being implemented for 4 days? De Blasio states that there are "things that need to be done." Why wasn't this "done" while the bail reform law was being written? This is just a perfect example of lawmakers rushing to put out a new law, before thinking how it will impact the public good. Below is a perfect example of how ludicrous this new law is:

Opponents of bail reform that eliminates cash bail have pointed to 30-year-old Tiffany Harris as the most egregious example of the new system’s failure, The New York Times reported. Harris was arrested three times in a span of five days before a judge kept her in custody on Jan. 1 to undergo a psychiatric evaluation, the New York Post reported. Police said Harris slapped three Orthodox Jewish women on a street corner in Crown Heights on Dec. 27 while yelling “F--k you, Jews!” She was released without bail the next day, as judges began implementing the new criminal-friendly bail reform laws ahead of their actual Jan. 1 launch, the New York Post reported. Harris was arrested less than 24 hours later after she slugged a woman in the face on Eastern Parkway in Prospect Heights. The victim was badly injured but her attacker was released the next day, yet again, the New York Post reported. When Harris was set free without bail for the second time in four days, she was ordered to meet with a social worker. But she was arrested on New Year’s Eve after the court-mandated meeting went badly. Prosecutors said Wednesday that Harris pinched the social worker during their sit-down meeting, the New York Post reported.


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posted on Jan, 4 2020 @ 03:10 PM
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Shame on New York, but they will reap what they sew.
Comment by Jim H Virginia

According to the District Attorneys Association, offenses that don't qualify for bail in New York State include:
•Assault in the third degree
•Aggravated vehicular assault
•Aggravated assault upon a person less than eleven years old
•Criminally negligent homicide
•Aggravated vehicular homicide
•Manslaughter in the second degree
•Unlawful imprisonment in the first degree
•Coercion in the first degree
•Arson in the third and fourth degree
•Grand larceny in the first degree
•Criminal possession of a weapon on school grounds or criminal possession of a firearm
•Criminal possession of a controlled substance in the first and second degree
•Criminal sale of a controlled substance in the first and second degree
•Criminal sale of a controlled substance in or near school grounds
•Specified felony drug offenses involving the use of children, including the use of a child to commit a controlled substance offense and criminal sale of a controlled substance to a child
•Criminal solicitation in the first degree and criminal facilitation in the first degree
•Money laundering in support of terrorism in the third and fourth degree
•Making a terroristic threat
•Patronizing a person for prostitution in a school zone
•Promoting an obscene sexual performance by a child
•Possessing an obscene sexual performance by a child
•Promoting a sexual performance by a child
•Failure to register as a sex offender
•Obstructing governmental administration in the first and second degree
•Obstructing governmental administration by means of a self-defense spray device
•Bribery in the first degree
•Bribe giving for public office
•Bribe receiving in the first degree
•Promoting prison contraband in the first and second degree
•Resisting arrest
•Hindering prosecution
•Tampering with a juror and tampering with physical evidence
•Aggravated harassment in the first degree
•Directing a laser at an aircraft in the first degree
•Criminal possession of a weapon in the fourth degree
•Criminal sale of a firearm to a minor
•Enterprise corruption and money laundering in the first degree
•Aggravated cruelty to animals, overdriving, torturing and injuring animals
•Failure to provide proper sustenance
•Animal fighting

Source: www.whec.com/news/offenses-that-dont-qualify-for-bail-in-new-york-state/5511462/ and others.

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posted on Jan, 4 2020 @ 03:18 PM
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originally posted by: Plotus
Shame on New York, but they will reap what they sew.


No, most of us were against it, we will reap what the progressives sewed in the name of votes.



posted on Jan, 4 2020 @ 03:21 PM
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originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: Plotus
Shame on New York, but they will reap what they sew.


No, most of us were against it, we will reap what the progressives sewed in the name of votes.
Hopefully in time you can rescind and correct it.



posted on Jan, 4 2020 @ 03:25 PM
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a reply to: shawmanfromny

Yup, good ole andy cuomo. This in from central NY it seems to be working. LOL:

www.wktv.com...


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posted on Jan, 4 2020 @ 03:26 PM
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If only somebody had seen this coming.



posted on Jan, 4 2020 @ 04:46 PM
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a reply to: shawmanfromny


There never was "criminalization of poverty".
"Bail" is standard judicial procedure for criminal offenses.
There is no need to steal - get off your ass and work.

Criminals want goods and assets WITHOUT working - LAZY
....and, they want to emulate the "gang and gun and 'ho" "culture" of rap music.

There is a grave need for societal CULTURE reform, not justice system reform.

Do stupid crime, get stupid time.

Leave the bastards in prison to rot - cry me a river.
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posted on Jan, 4 2020 @ 08:12 PM
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Hummmm is this kind like reparations for criminals??



posted on Jan, 4 2020 @ 08:58 PM
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Idiocracy was a documentary.



posted on Jan, 4 2020 @ 09:13 PM
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a reply to: shawmanfromny


Really dumb but I more or less expect this from NY and Cali.

The real question is...

Are those dems looking back because it's a real and legit issue or are they looking back because the state coffers are getting low?



posted on Jan, 5 2020 @ 01:21 AM
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There are few jobs paying reformed felons a living wage, even fewer which hire felons at all in NY unless it is Finance...Social services cut up more of the tax pie each time a new social service is implimented. A reformed Felon to Stay living in New York, has to find and secure a needle in a haystack. That is by Design...If it is unsustainable, Prisons are full...

quote]originally posted by: M5xaz
a reply to: shawmanfromny


There never was "criminalization of poverty".
"Bail" is standard judicial procedure for criminal offenses.
There is no need to steal - get off your ass and work.

Criminals want goods and assets WITHOUT working - LAZY
....and, they want to emulate the "gang and gun and 'ho" "culture" of rap music.

There is a grave need for societal CULTURE reform, not justice system reform.

Do stupid crime, get stupid time.

Leave the bastards in prison to rot - cry me a river.



posted on Jan, 5 2020 @ 01:32 AM
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"There is a chance now for the legislature to get it right," 


This just went into effect 5 days ago; what does the legislature know today that they didn't know when they passed the reform?

Since the answer is "nothing" than why did they get the law wrong in the first place?

The incompetence of our government is scary.



posted on Jan, 5 2020 @ 02:12 PM
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a reply to: 2ndTenor



Then maybe the message is do not commit a felony in the first place !
Spread the message that if you are a criminal, you condemn yourself to lifelong poverty on welfare

The alternative, essentially legalizing criminality, will harm the vast majority only to benefit a small unreformable portion of garbage of society.

Again, cry me a river...



posted on Jan, 5 2020 @ 02:27 PM
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originally posted by: 2ndTenor
There are few jobs paying reformed felons a living wage, even fewer which hire felons at all in NY unless it is Finance...Social services cut up more of the tax pie each time a new social service is implimented. A reformed Felon to Stay living in New York, has to find and secure a needle in a haystack. That is by Design...If it is unsustainable, Prisons are full...

quote]originally posted by: M5xaz
a reply to: shawmanfromny


There never was "criminalization of poverty".
"Bail" is standard judicial procedure for criminal offenses.
There is no need to steal - get off your ass and work.

Criminals want goods and assets WITHOUT working - LAZY
....and, they want to emulate the "gang and gun and 'ho" "culture" of rap music.

There is a grave need for societal CULTURE reform, not justice system reform.

Do stupid crime, get stupid time.

Leave the bastards in prison to rot - cry me a river.


Then maybe criminals shouldn't willingly make the choice to commit a crime, especially crimes that result in someone being designated a felon.

Plenty of people make the choice to live a legal life and oddly enough are successful, happy and achieve their goals.



posted on Jan, 14 2020 @ 05:43 PM
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So this issue is shaping up to be an albatross around the NY Democrats neck this election year.

My social media is awash with otherwise liberal minded people and those who don't normally discuss politics being angry and sarcastic about this legislation.
edit on 14-1-2020 by DanDanDat because: (no reason given)




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