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originally posted by: Justoneman
But actually your point is wrong. Here is why.
People need to build a resume and they need to show up at any job to do that.
Show up, work hard and people will know it. But if instead you act like someone owes you a living, then people know that too about you. Simply have to take responsibility for your own lives people! Don't blame people for your own lack of motivation to succeed.
IT is about supply and demand and that is how the Corporate Fascists use the mass immigration concept to get cheap labor. They are not willing to do what is right by their employees and should be called out on it when it happens.
originally posted by: Byrd
originally posted by: Justoneman
But actually your point is wrong. Here is why.
People need to build a resume and they need to show up at any job to do that.
Grape picker (to use a job that Trump wineries is importing labor for) isn't a ladder to any other job except perhaps for farm laborer. It's also a physically demanding job and you're more likely to be hurt on it. And it's not a job that's possible for someone raised in the city (being outside in the sun isn't that bad for us Texans, but I can guarantee that most city dwellers even here in Texas would have heat stroke trying to keep up with the work of picking crops in the sun.)
Show up, work hard and people will know it. But if instead you act like someone owes you a living, then people know that too about you. Simply have to take responsibility for your own lives people! Don't blame people for your own lack of motivation to succeed.
And I think you will find that people do. That's why they turn down these low wage, pay-by-the-piece jobs: they can't put food on the family's table and pay the rent at that rate. So they keep looking.
IT is about supply and demand and that is how the Corporate Fascists use the mass immigration concept to get cheap labor. They are not willing to do what is right by their employees and should be called out on it when it happens.
Yep. And they offer as little in pay and benefits as they can.
[quuote]If you are working at a chicken house and don't like it, get another job and find a way to get another skill. Those too lazy to try that are not trying.
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If you're poor and Black, you and your family don't have that kind of resource.
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originally posted by: Justoneman
As I said repeatedly here, we all have to start with a resume.
You guys are looking down on those beginner jobs and someone who is low skilled and aren't even realizing it with a form of soft bigotry. That people are too good to have a starting pay type job and work to improve themselves like centuries of humanity before us.
originally posted by: missed_gear
People of these United States lawfully here, will work if not under sold by illegals, do not be confused.
originally posted by: daskakik
originally posted by: missed_gear
People of these United States lawfully here, will work if not under sold by illegals, do not be confused.
That was actually the point being made.
Don't know why OP keeps saying that some of us don't want to see that when it has been the point all along.
People of these United States lawfully here, will work if not under sold by illegals, do not be confused.
originally posted by: Justoneman
Now you are talking in circles my whole point was that posted by missed_gear.
People of these United States lawfully here, will work if not under sold by illegals, do not be confused.
originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: Justoneman
Empty feel good is still empty.
I must have missed those leftists you are talking about.
originally posted by: Justoneman
It isnt empty to those with work now.
I sure do wonder about you on that for a fact.
It occurs to me that some of you are willing to ignore that the choices people make in life do have outcomes.
You can improve your skill set and quit those type jobs or do without.
originally posted by: Justoneman
More specifically jobs for needy black Americans who wanted a job! The people who have a job sure sounded grateful for the ICE raids even tho the NYTimes tried to make them feel guilty in this article.
Turns out, Trump's "EVIL" ICE raids benifited American Workers
The Times got kudos for actually reporting the facts despite the spin attempt. ( I cant post Times story I have used my free reads for the year)
I have always believed a strong American economy paves the way for the rest of the world to progress out of the stone age. Some follow perhaps what will turn out to be a false religion to the point of using it as an excuse to rape and pillage and have the infidels/heathens eliminated and their culture which is all supposedly ordained by a god they believe exists. As a Christian we are to love and let God have vengeance only protecting people who can't protect themselves and not rape and pillage affairs. We all know we are to not do that for any reason it appalls me to see history reports bad deeds by all sides including so called Christians. Certainly the Spaniards practiced that hundreds of years ago after they threw off their oppressors who had done the same to them.
When one society comes to eliminate another it is either thru overwhelming them with War or infiltration to open the gates so to speak. I have no qualm with S Americans wanting to work but I do have a qualm with being not legal when they get the job over a legal citizen who deserves a chance to work too. Doubly important is the poor people know they can do it and they are shut out by employers gaming the system. Finally, someone has helped them have a chance.
I will finish with this. We have a Twitter thing going on now about
# it is ok to be White.
Well it is OK and it is OK to be whoever you are! It's OK to be Black, or Native American, or Asian decent. It's OK to b mixed race, in fact that is what God intended for us to be, one spirit of love as brother and sisters. Only seeing each others as a neighbor or even a future spouse I suppose. Someone needs to start a thread on that #.
originally posted by: Scapegrace
Deporting someone for being here illegally is not punishment, it’s upholding our laws. I want all of our laws enforced. But I totally agree that employers of illegals should be heavily fined for each offense and jailed or imprisoned for egregious abuses. Many illegals would leave if employers were afraid to hire them.
originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: Graysen
But aren't we still looking at a class issue by targeting poor immigrants with punishment instead of the wealthy corporations that have been illegally exploiting cheap labor for decades?
I have no problem deporting people that are here illegally and are not contributing to society. But why do we continue to give a pass to those people that are the root cause for why these people are coming here in the first place?
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originally posted by: missed_gear
a reply to: Byrd
--[snip]--
If you're poor and Black, you and your family don't have that kind of resource.
--[snip]--
Just lost me there....how about leaving the racism part out of 'being poor'?
Speaking for myself, using such a summary comment is a worn out and flat tire.
I started off in high school doing finish out on new home construction (basically cleaning) and there were zero illegals. Many citizen workers came from up north migrating to Texas for work. There were INS roundups all the time with fines, so no one hired illegals. It was all races working just no illegals. Then it changed to under the table profiteering when laws were relaxed on illegals.
This was almost 40 years ago.
I went on into water engineering then to oil and gas. I paid my way working a crap job for the first degree. Later onto obtaining advanced degrees to find I was in classes full of grant recipients not from or born in the USA with no citizen/resident status...just here.
People of these United States lawfully here, will work if not under sold by illegals, do not be confused.
Racism is not the issue, it is an excuse.
mg
originally posted by: Byrd
originally posted by: Justoneman
But actually your point is wrong. Here is why.
People need to build a resume and they need to show up at any job to do that.
Grape picker (to use a job that Trump wineries is importing labor for) isn't a ladder to any other job except perhaps for farm laborer. It's also a physically demanding job and you're more likely to be hurt on it. And it's not a job that's possible for someone raised in the city (being outside in the sun isn't that bad for us Texans, but I can guarantee that most city dwellers even here in Texas would have heat stroke trying to keep up with the work of picking crops in the sun.)
Show up, work hard and people will know it. But if instead you act like someone owes you a living, then people know that too about you. Simply have to take responsibility for your own lives people! Don't blame people for your own lack of motivation to succeed.
And I think you will find that people do. That's why they turn down these low wage, pay-by-the-piece jobs: they can't put food on the family's table and pay the rent at that rate. So they keep looking.
IT is about supply and demand and that is how the Corporate Fascists use the mass immigration concept to get cheap labor. They are not willing to do what is right by their employees and should be called out on it when it happens.
Yep. And they offer as little in pay and benefits as they can.
[quuote]If you are working at a chicken house and don't like it, get another job and find a way to get another skill. Those too lazy to try that are not trying.