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Evil Trump avoided the draft during the Vietnam War

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posted on Dec, 30 2019 @ 11:39 AM
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a reply to: RickinVa

Thank you for laying this out so well Rick. I am Trump's age and was four-f-ed for asthma. Being of that age I know that half of my friends were in service and half were not so for me the ''bone spurs'' have never been a big deal. He either was out legitimately or not, it's past and done with.

We knew at the time that the kids of politicians and rich guys could get strings pulled for them but now over 50 years later it's way to late to make any kind of proof-less accusations like he was or wasn't.

However, do you really think that people think he is ''evil'' for, if he did, dodging the draft?




posted on Dec, 30 2019 @ 11:47 AM
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originally posted by: blueman12

originally posted by: Stupidsecrets
Even if Trump had served in Vietnam he would be a baby killer, or they would be damn sure to find someone who saw him kill 12 babies with their own eyes but does not recall what day or where in Vietnam.


He talks a lot of trash and receives alot back in return. Liberals hate him because he is a shameless republican a-hole. .

You don't honestly believe this do you? I mean, Trump IS an asshole (Trump voter here, I can acknowledge he's a dick) but this is not why they hate him. They hate him because he won. They LOVED Trump because he was just a joke to them and so much fun to make fun of. They didn't realize he was tapping into some serious problems in the country that they failed to see.
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posted on Dec, 30 2019 @ 11:52 AM
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originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: RickinVa

Thank you for laying this out so well Rick. I am Trump's age and was four-f-ed for asthma. Being of that age I know that half of my friends were in service and half were not so for me the ''bone spurs'' have never been a big deal. He either was out legitimately or not, it's past and done with.

We knew at the time that the kids of politicians and rich guys could get strings pulled for them but now over 50 years later it's way to late to make any kind of proof-less accusations like he was or wasn't.

However, do you really think that people think he is ''evil'' for, if he did, dodging the draft?



The only reasons liberals even bring this up is because they know he has a ton of support among the military and they're trying to break that. They don't realize that we don't give a #.



posted on Dec, 30 2019 @ 12:00 PM
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a reply to: face23785

Im sure some hate him because he won but the trump haters ive met hate him because of his personality and what he says as POTUS.

Take his talk about windmills for example. Some people hate that he is a know-it-all BSer who will never admit that he's wrong. And they believe trump supporters will believe anything he says like a mob of loyal cult followers.

I think both trump supporters and trump haters are blind to each other's perspectives.



posted on Dec, 30 2019 @ 12:00 PM
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a reply to: StallionDuck

My dad participated in Desert Storm and they told him not to have any children due to chemical exposure amongst some other things.

Yet, here I am. His dad was in the Vietnam War and I believe the Korean one as well. Not sure, but they told him the same thing. Don't have any children due to chemical exposure and all that, plus he had a penchant for mental women.

My mother's father was in WW2 as a Marine, and he ended up becoming an alcoholic which was the end of his marriage and ultimately his life.

His dad left Nazi Germany to enlist in the US Navy to fight against his own people in WW1. He died a natural death.

But, what I'm getting at is none of them came out okay. To the point that on my father's side the military was telling them not to have children.

My father's side enlisted, because they had a bad lot in life and made poor decisions. They were Italian immigrants and were used to the hard knock life. Got involved in some bad stuff and were more or less told to join the military to avoid punishment.

I was born premature, underweight, and they weren't sure I was going to make it. Fast forward some twenty odd years and I enlisted in the Navy. Not because I had to, but because I kind of got the # end of the stick and had a piss poor family unit with no structure, no support, and also ended up making bad decisions.

I don't agree with war, and I was more worried about my shipmates throwing me under the bus to make themselves look good than I was with "terrorists" trying to attack us. It was a means to an end, and it got me out of a bad place.

Would I have enlisted if I didn't have to? Definitely not. Would my past family members have enlisted if they didn't have to? Definitely not. But we were all poor, and didn't have much of a choice.

Now my younger cousins have all asked me about enlisting and I tell them to do well in school and go to college in some science, tech, or if anything go into a trade. There's no point in putting your life on the line just because some politicians want to keep their pockets lined.

If anything stay near your loved ones, because you can't protect them when your thousands of miles away. I lost a close friends when I was gone, and it hurt to know that I couldn't be there for them.

So no, I don't harbor any ill will towards draft dodgers. Those wars were pointless and did more harm than good. I feel more for those who were forced to go, and I wouldn't have blamed them for trying to get out of it. I know I would have.



posted on Dec, 30 2019 @ 12:11 PM
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originally posted by: blueman12
a reply to: face23785

Im sure some hate him because he won but the trump haters ive met hate him because of his personality and what he says as POTUS.

Take his talk about windmills for example. Some people hate that he is a know-it-all BSer who will never admit that he's wrong. And they believe trump supporters will believe anything he says like a mob of loyal cult followers.

I think both trump supporters and trump haters are blind to each other's perspectives.



I would entertain that if they knew anything about his personality and what he says. The problem is all they know is sound bites and the misrepresentations the media parrot. To this day we still hear about how he "thinks all illegal immigrants are rapists" or how he "mocked a reporters disability" and "thinks Nazis are good people" despite all of that having been debunked for years now.

Those type hate him because they don't understand him and listen to too much media garbage. I've known guys like him. He doesn't literally think you need to flush the toilet 15 times. He's hyperbolic to an extreme, and he talks that way, and most of those listening understand that and are smart enough to read between the lines. There's a certain segment of the left (and the right) that aren't smart enough to understand that and take everything he says literally. And a small minority of the left like the media that DO understand this but falsely present it otherwise to trick the gullible among them.
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posted on Dec, 30 2019 @ 12:15 PM
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originally posted by: StallionDuck

You're labeling which is a fully biased stance. I don't see how it's a cowardly action to want yourself or your family members to take a really high chance of being dead because of some hypocrite tells you to go to war for the safety of our country when our country's safety isn't at stake. Hypocrite by way of not joining oneself or allowing their children to get placed in harms way.

I'll say that the most intelligent action from either of those two would obviously be trump.

How would a draft dodger feel talking to a mother of a dead kid from the same draft?

Beaming with pride because they're alive and made the right decision?

I would have been a dodger and I would have also been ashamed to speak to the mother.

And you're correct, I wouldn't want to jump off that bridge either. But neither would the person who takes my place.



posted on Dec, 30 2019 @ 12:29 PM
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a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar

Why would they be beaming with pride that they are alive? It's more likely that they would feel sorrow.

Talk like this is just opinion or something of hyperbole.



posted on Dec, 30 2019 @ 12:30 PM
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originally posted by: AutomateThis1
a reply to: StallionDuck

My dad participated in Desert Storm and they told him not to have any children due to chemical exposure amongst some other things.

Yet, here I am. His dad was in the Vietnam War and I believe the Korean one as well. Not sure, but they told him the same thing. Don't have any children due to chemical exposure and all that, plus he had a penchant for mental women.

My mother's father was in WW2 as a Marine, and he ended up becoming an alcoholic which was the end of his marriage and ultimately his life.

His dad left Nazi Germany to enlist in the US Navy to fight against his own people in WW1. He died a natural death.

But, what I'm getting at is none of them came out okay. To the point that on my father's side the military was telling them not to have children.

My father's side enlisted, because they had a bad lot in life and made poor decisions. They were Italian immigrants and were used to the hard knock life. Got involved in some bad stuff and were more or less told to join the military to avoid punishment.

I was born premature, underweight, and they weren't sure I was going to make it. Fast forward some twenty odd years and I enlisted in the Navy. Not because I had to, but because I kind of got the # end of the stick and had a piss poor family unit with no structure, no support, and also ended up making bad decisions.

I don't agree with war, and I was more worried about my shipmates throwing me under the bus to make themselves look good than I was with "terrorists" trying to attack us. It was a means to an end, and it got me out of a bad place.

Would I have enlisted if I didn't have to? Definitely not. Would my past family members have enlisted if they didn't have to? Definitely not. But we were all poor, and didn't have much of a choice.

Now my younger cousins have all asked me about enlisting and I tell them to do well in school and go to college in some science, tech, or if anything go into a trade. There's no point in putting your life on the line just because some politicians want to keep their pockets lined.

If anything stay near your loved ones, because you can't protect them when your thousands of miles away. I lost a close friends when I was gone, and it hurt to know that I couldn't be there for them.

So no, I don't harbor any ill will towards draft dodgers. Those wars were pointless and did more harm than good. I feel more for those who were forced to go, and I wouldn't have blamed them for trying to get out of it. I know I would have.


How did none of them come out ok. You just said your father did in fact have children obviously. Another relative died naturally...meh.

As I stated, one has a better shot of dying in a plane crash than war. Almost nobody in the military sees combat. Something like 1% or something. The numbers are so low it's not even worth worrying about.

What you are doing is taking your own personal family history and twisting it into the whole entire military and blaming whatever problem they had like drinking on the military entirely. Lots of people have drinking problems who never joined the military. Lots of people kill themselves with no military affiliation.

If we are using personal experiences then I will give mine. Grew up poor, joined the military, earned a degree, became an officer, got wounded in combat, retired, have a great job now, great family and love life. I'm not fat, depressed and not an alcoholic.



posted on Dec, 30 2019 @ 12:35 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

I've been saying that for years.

I've been in almost 19 years now, and we have more than enough dirtbags to deal with (with less latitude to deal with them) that we don't need to add more people who were forced to be here.

I am totally against the draft, and I'm glad we don't need it any longer.



posted on Dec, 30 2019 @ 12:38 PM
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Trump went to military school and now talks a big game when it comes to troops, the military, all things red white and blue, is fiercely pro capitalism, anti communism/socialism but when it was his turn to fight the commies he showed his true color..yellow which have turned orange over time.



posted on Dec, 30 2019 @ 12:40 PM
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originally posted by: conspiracy nut
Trump went to military school and now talks a big game when it comes to troops, the military, all things red white and blue, is fiercely pro capitalism, anti communism/socialism but when it was his turn to fight the commies he showed his true color..yellow which has turned orange over time.



posted on Dec, 30 2019 @ 12:46 PM
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a reply to: face23785

Not everyone wants to navigate through his know-it-all nonsensical "iv'e never understood wind" speeches to decipher what the hell he is saying.

You don't need to constantly exaggerate in every sentence. It actually hurts the speech. Why can't he just list why he doesn't like windmikls instead of saying they are bird graveyards and how he knows more about windmills than most people he met...


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posted on Dec, 30 2019 @ 12:57 PM
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originally posted by: conspiracy nut

originally posted by: conspiracy nut
Trump went to military school and now talks a big game when it comes to troops, the military, all things red white and blue, is fiercely pro capitalism, anti communism/socialism but when it was his turn to fight the commies he showed his true color..yellow which has turned orange over time.


People didn't vote for him on his military prowess or his stance on commies. They wanted a piece of the financial pie. They wanted their 401K's to start making some money. They wanted the US to stop pouring out jobs like a busted fish tank. They don't care about much else at this point. Everyone else running last time wanted to tax these people more and they finally had enough of it. That is why he won.



posted on Dec, 30 2019 @ 01:04 PM
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originally posted by: blueman12
a reply to: face23785

Not everyone wants to navigate through his know-it-all nonsensical "iv'e never understood wind" speeches to decipher what the hell he is saying.

You don't need to constantly exaggerate in every sentence. It actually hurts the speech. Why can't he just list why he doesn't like windmikls instead of saying they are bird graveyards and how he knows more about windmills than most people he met...



Nobody HAS to navigate through any of it. But people who are too lazy to do that shouldn't be spreading a bunch of half-baked, biased media garbage that's every bit as hyperbolic or downright false as anything you're complaining about that he does.



posted on Dec, 30 2019 @ 01:08 PM
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At some point this will stop being a thing thank god.

Looks the kids of wealthy parents all did it during Vietnam....... Ala Bush in the Air National Guard etc. The fact that Trump did it really is meaningless in the scheme of things.



posted on Dec, 30 2019 @ 01:10 PM
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Take his talk about windmills for example. Some people hate that he is a know-it-all BSer who will never admit that he's wrong. And they believe trump supporters will believe anything he says like a mob of loyal cult followers.


Don't for one second believe that we don't know that Trump is a blow hard a list a$$hole that believes his $#!* don't stink...

Look at it this way. You can probably say factually that the vast majority of conservatives are blue and a large chunk of white collar workers. We can likely safety agree on this - no?

I'm a white collar but I spent most of my working life as a blue collar who eventually made it to this point through blood sweat and hardships. I can honestly say that through my entire career, this blow hard BS know it all attitude ISN'T UNCOMMON in my line of work. Ask any insurance salesman, brick layer, carpenter, mechanic, and so on, how much truth goes into their job between suppliers and often times even to and front their customers. There is a lot of haggling for good reason... The best prices... Save a little here and there so you have have more in your pocket to be able to expand as you can.

I promise you that the mass majority know exactly what you guys say when you call him an Ahole and so forth. WE AGREE. But we DONT agree when you say he's racist or anyone who votes for him is racist. That's a BS cop out because you just don't want to see the opposition DOING YOUR JOB FOR YOU.

It's ok when it's some democrat in office doing it but oh man... the balls on this republican doing it!

Still.... You're missing the big picture - the whole point of WHY we voted for him. You guys say we're dumb, racist, senseless, hateful, violent and so much more because we voted for trump. Many of us and more can say you're full of $#!*. The REAL reason we voted him in was to p!$$ Democrat and Republican career bu!!$#!**ers. You wanna play bu!!$#!*? Well... we got a real bu!!$#!*er for ya. If you want to play this game, we'll simply vote for someone who may be a laughing stock to you but we believe even through all his bu!!$#!* - HE's STILL BETTER THAN YOU. This is the message we are sending.

I'm sick and tired of the government on both sides trampling on our faces at every turn - ignoring the masses - ignoring the laws - doing whatever the hell they feel like they want to.

It's our turn and we'll show you exactly what we think about it. You want chaos? He's a little chaos of your own. God help them if they find some kind of BS way of taking him out of office. So so many people will be mad as hell and I'd hate to think of what would come out of it. Call them hateful if you want, violent... Trust me... If conservatives were hateful and violent, you would certainly know about it. Right now... we're just keeping out mouths shut because we don't feel like dealing with stupid. Based on what I and much of the world are seeing is hateful and violence from the left liberal agendas.

Remember... Liberals would be NO WHERE without blue collar workers. Keep messing with our money, our livelihood, our food, our happiness, our... freedoms. You don't want to take away our quiet place. It's the last point of defence against stupid and once we're pushed into that corner... I guarantee you that those same conservatives will have enough and they will push back with all of that force pressed against them through the years... all at once.

I honestly believe this to be true. I'll be the idiot sitting on the hill, laughing my arse off, eating popcorn with the rest of the I-told-you-so folx.



posted on Dec, 30 2019 @ 01:14 PM
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originally posted by: FredT
At some point this will stop being a thing thank god.

Looks the kids of wealthy parents all did it during Vietnam....... Ala Bush in the Air National Guard etc. The fact that Trump did it really is meaningless in the scheme of things.


I wouldn't count on it to stop being a thing until he's out of office. All this is about is trying to pull votes away from him anyway. That's not gonna stop until at least until after he's re-elected. Probably not until after his successor is elected.



posted on Dec, 30 2019 @ 01:17 PM
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How would a draft dodger feel talking to a mother of a dead kid from the same draft?

Beaming with pride because they're alive and made the right decision?

I would have been a dodger and I would have also been ashamed to speak to the mother.

And you're correct, I wouldn't want to jump off that bridge either. But neither would the person who takes my place.


What makes you so important that how you would feel is how everyone else should feel?

So if you're in a car with 4 people and you are one of the two in the back seat. The 2 in the front were killed in a wreck and the two of you in the back survived.

Wouldn't you feel guilty if you spoke to the mother of the dead driver?

That's a really BS way of looking at things. Sure I'm certain it would be hard in any case. I had a hard time looking a teen ager's mom in the face when he blew his heart out of the back of his chest with an M2. Think that wasn't hard? Should I have looked down on my brother who didn't become a cop because I had to endure what he didn't?

I get the awkwardness and the shame. It's human. It doesn't mean you can judge someone else because of the way YOU feel. That's not how it works. Someone should tell liberal power mongers that.





And you're correct, I wouldn't want to jump off that bridge either. But neither would the person who takes my place.


Why would someone take your place? Oh yeah. The powers that be told them they had to. See, that's why we're in this mess. The sheep keep on sheeping while the wolves keep on feasting. The point is to rebel and push back like our constitution says we should. The wrong answer to this whole debacle is to comply. The right answer is to say no.

The problem is... We've been doing stupid things for so long because we're told to that right is wrong and wrong is right today. We're used to it.

We're not the ones who needs to wake up....



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posted on Dec, 30 2019 @ 01:17 PM
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Very much this. I personally know a few blue-collar Democrats that are voting Trump in 2020 because of everything you just said. But, you know, some media talking heads said #walkaway is just a bunch of Russian bots, so the hardcore left doesn't wanna believe it. They couldn't possibly have done something wrong to drive away voters like you. They're too smart for that. It MUST be the damn Russians.

If only they would reflect on why they lost 2016.



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