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originally posted by: StallionDuck
a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar
War is war.... If you went or if you didn't shouldn't make a difference in your 'status'.
McCain was right... The lower class were the bullet catchers. The ones that could afford college, the rich and well off folk, directed those poor sods to catch the bullets.
Where is the honor in that? I'd rather live to protect my country than die trying to hold yours together.
You're a coward if your afraid of dying? Sorry... Vet here who lived through Desert Storm (as if that was really lethal for the US - yet a lot of us came home the same as when we left, physically and mentally) and I can honestly say that I'm ok with someone running away from war and their own possible death.
Sometimes I wonder if this country is even worth dying for, thanks to government but I can say I'll defend everyone around me until death. Another country? Not so much. We had our break from tyranny hundreds of years ago. Nothing says people and other countries can't do the same.
originally posted by: CitizenZero
Compulsory military service is an assault on liberty, and as Milton Friedman argued, more expensive than a volunteer army. It turns out Trump was right to avoid it.
originally posted by: GreenGunther
After WWII the US thought it was the rightful peacekeeper of the world.
originally posted by: StallionDuck
a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar
War is war.... If you went or if you didn't shouldn't make a difference in your 'status'.
McCain was right... The lower class were the bullet catchers. The ones that could afford college, the rich and well off folk, directed those poor sods to catch the bullets.
Where is the honor in that? I'd rather live to protect my country than die trying to hold yours together.
You're a coward if your afraid of dying? Sorry... Vet here who lived through Desert Storm (as if that was really lethal for the US - yet a lot of us came home the same as when we left, physically and mentally) and I can honestly say that I'm ok with someone running away from war and their own possible death.
Sometimes I wonder if this country is even worth dying for, thanks to government but I can say I'll defend everyone around me until death. Another country? Not so much. We had our break from tyranny hundreds of years ago. Nothing says people and other countries can't do the same.
originally posted by: Stupidsecrets
Suicide rates have almost nothing to do with being in a war zone. Most of the suicides in the military never left the United States. I hope you are aware of that fact. They were never deployed.
originally posted by: Blarneystoner
originally posted by: RickinVa
Let that soak in....57% of the available men were given deferments for various reasons.
How many of those deferments were student deferments? How many were marriage deferments? How many were fatherhood deferments?
The truth is that the majority of deferments were given to young men from wealthy families. The majority of those who were drafted were from low income families.~ American Hero John McCain
"One aspect of the conflict, by the way, that I will never ever countenance is that we drafted the lowest income level of America, and the highest income level found a doctor that would say that they had a bone spur. That is wrong. That is wrong. If we’re going to ask every American to serve, every American should serve."
I don't think Trump is evil because he dodged the draft, I think he's a coward and unpatriotic.
originally posted by: StallionDuck
War is war.... If you went or if you didn't shouldn't make a difference in your 'status'.
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: GreenGunther
After WWII the US thought it was the rightful peacekeeper of the world.
This is partially correct. The fact is our European allies wanted us to take the lead militarily and economically after WWII and end our isolationism. This way they could focus on all their domestic and social issues, which caused the two world wars in the first place. Now those same countries complain about us being the leader. Then step up and take the reins. Up your military spending. You take the massive tariffs that put your economy at a disadvantage for decades. That's what we've been dealing with. You're welcome to it.
The very people who feel as you do, actually spit on and in the faces of returning veterans.
originally posted by: Blarneystoner
originally posted by: RickinVa
Let that soak in....57% of the available men were given deferments for various reasons.
How many of those deferments were student deferments? How many were marriage deferments? How many were fatherhood deferments?
The truth is that the majority of deferments were given to young men from wealthy families. The majority of those who were drafted were from low income families.
~ American Hero John McCain
"One aspect of the conflict, by the way, that I will never ever countenance is that we drafted the lowest income level of America, and the highest income level found a doctor that would say that they had a bone spur. That is wrong. That is wrong. If we’re going to ask every American to serve, every American should serve."
I don't think Trump is evil because he dodged the draft, I think he's a coward and unpatriotic.
originally posted by: Krahzeef_Ukhar
originally posted by: StallionDuck
War is war.... If you went or if you didn't shouldn't make a difference in your 'status'.
Really?
Would you prefer to take orders from Trump or McCain?
I guess I am saying its cowardly to dodge the draft. I definitely would have tried my hardest to dodge as well.
But I'm not here to defend either position really.
I just enjoy how Trump messes with liberals to the point that they're kind of tacitly approving the Vietnam War and the draft.
a reply to: The2Billies
Vietnam was a mistake, yes, so is Afghanistan. But the drafted who fled the country to Canada and other places during Vietnam should have stayed where they fled to if they hated the US that much to run and not go when their country called. Cowards and vermin for sure.
originally posted by: Stupidsecrets
Even if Trump had served in Vietnam he would be a baby killer, or they would be damn sure to find someone who saw him kill 12 babies with their own eyes but does not recall what day or where in Vietnam.