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Church of Christ Shooting: 2 Dead, 1 Critical In White Settlement, Texas

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posted on Jan, 2 2020 @ 04:24 PM
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a reply to: chr0naut

www.gotquestions.org...

You know good and well the bible is taught in a indirect way,and as such has to be interpreted. read the link. Stop trying to use lawyer tricks.




posted on Jan, 2 2020 @ 04:33 PM
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This is a plea to God. It's also not the entire verse. Context!


No it’s not. It’s God rendering judgement against the Elohim for not doing what they were supposed to be doing.


But did they actually fight, or did they merely display that they were capable of defending themselves and the rebuilding of the walls of Jerusalem? Again, context!


It doesn’t matter if they did or didn’t. They were told to, had the capability to do so, and the willingness. You didn’t demand chapter and verse demonstrating that defense of others was condoned and carried out, you demanded chapter and verse to support the claim that defense of others and self defense is condoned in the Bible. Don’t move the goalposts.


In this instance Jesus said that the two swords that they already had were sufficient - among 11 disciples. In terms of actual use, they would clearly be insufficient, but in terms of a visible deterrent, they were enough


If you really want to get into the weeds about it, it had nothing to do with a visible deterrent as evidenced by the fact that Jesus’ persecutors still came and arrested him. The better argument would be that it was relevant to fulfilling the prophecy of his arrest.



posted on Jan, 2 2020 @ 05:51 PM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Breakthestreak
a reply to: chr0naut

It was a failure


You only believe so because you want so hard to believe it.

The actual circumstances are already displayed clearly in US gun statistics.

You believe it was a success even though it was an absolute abysmal failure



posted on Jan, 2 2020 @ 05:52 PM
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Self defense is a MORE THAN adequate reason for gun ownership

In EVERY single state

Another more-than adequate reason for gun ownership is : “mind your own business” or simply “because I want one, why do you ask?”

Again, in EVERY state
edit on 2 1 2020 by Breakthestreak because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 2 2020 @ 08:49 PM
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a reply to: chr0naut

You wouldn't survive six months out here, hoss. Stop lying.

TheRedneck



posted on Jan, 2 2020 @ 09:18 PM
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originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: chr0naut


You have a string of previous posts where you accuse me of lying, and of plagiarism (as if I ever claimed the ideas presented were my own creation), of being clueless, and of being an imbecile.

As I am, I feel, justifiably hurt and somewhat defensive, I will just do a little analysis of things you have posted and will draw conclusions as to what they say about you.

Apologies about the ad-hominem, but someone has to do some plain talking to you:


I most certainly did not! I copy and paste every excerpt I post here. Here's your link, liar, and here is the exact copy/pasted excerpt: "Last week, in what’s actually become a pretty standard week in America, two young children shot two other children dead with unsecured guns. Nothing about this is a surprise, really—89 percent of unintentional shooting deaths of children take place in the home, when children are playing with a loaded gun while their parents are out. American children are 9 times more likely to be killed by a gun than are kids in other developed nations. There are more than 310 million guns in the United States, and more than 30 percent of Americans report that they have a gun in their home. Those guns are not always stored securely. A RAND Corporation study showed that about 1.4 million households (with an estimated 2.6 million children) had firearms stored unlocked and either loaded or with ammunition nearby."

Nothing added, nothing deleted. That's what it says.


The bit that mentions "young" children is in a different sentence than the segment you previously misquoted by inserting the word. I have bolded and italicized text in the above quote to demonstrate.

Here's the link to your post in which you wrote "What ignoramus is leaving young children at home alone unsupervised? There's your problem." (emphasis mine).

Your accusation that I lied is clearly not evidenced. You are unreasonably judgmental.


That would depend on the circumstances.


Like leaving loaded guns at hand around your house? You are a clear and present danger to others but deny it.


Having a loaded firearm is not illegal in any way, shape, form, or fashion here. So you might wanna stay there... another reason to celebrate the 2nd Amendment: it keep people like you where you are.


Regardless of the legality, you are still at risk of being held criminally negligent, by not securely storing your firearms, if someone is hurt by any of your firearms. You ignore reasonable advice, and have fantasist beliefs of legal immunity.


Well, at least we now know why you are so worried about someone shooting you. You go out of your way to deserve it, apparently.


So because someone lives in safety, you think they "deserve" to be killed or injured? You may not realize it but that crosses a line. You have clear ideation of violence against others.

You leave loaded weapons around your house because you think that you are at risk from 'night time burglars'. You said you live in a remote area, what are the statistics of such an attack?

Granted, you could always be mauled by a rabid raccoon and get rabies. There are about three cases of rabies in humans a year in the US, that's like one chance in, like, only 107 million to you.

Taken together, that sounds like delusional paranoia about unlikely occurrences.

Paranoia And Delusional Disorders - Mental Health America

Ala. Code 1975 § 13A-11-72. No person of unsound mind shall own a firearm or have one in his or her possession or under his or her control.


Don't worry; folks around here wouldn't shoot you for, say, falsely accusing them of editing a source. Might beat the crap out of you... maybe you should outlaw hands.


Are you sure you could round up some locals to go out and start beating up people, at your say so, over a post in an online forum, where the person you allege offended you, has online permanent evidence that they merely presented a fact you were uncomfortable about? More violent ideation.

No-one accused you of editing a source. However, you did insert the word into the bit of the article you repeated. It is recorded in your post. Delusional self justification



Burglars are very definitely going to be looking through all your stuff for whatever is valuable.

Only if ghosts are real.


Your responses are becoming more irrational.


A decent shooter takes that into consideration. We're not big fans of "spray and pray" around here... too expensive. Better to practice true gun control and hit the target.


You covered a lot more than an hour or so a month... mandatory participation in clubs, mandatory reporting of several items, mandatory ongoing training... what, you think those restrictions take 4 seconds each?


No, they take hours. Most sports take many more hours, every week.



Again, the vast majority of those "gun deaths" are either self-inflicted (suicide), criminal behavior, or from law enforcement. Only a tiny fraction are from actual shootings by legal gun owners. Out of that tiny fraction, most of those are in the bigger cities like Chi-raq. You know this already, as I have pointed it out to you at least three times now in this one thread, but you seem unwilling to even acknowledge it... why is that? Does it not match the narrative you want to project?


Every gun death is a gun death.


That's 0.243% of the population that owns guns. Around here, with our low crime rate, it's more like 50% or more that own guns. Again, 0.243% ownership: nationally recognized crime-ridden area; 50+% gun ownership: almost no crime.

... snip due to running out of edit space and topic drift ...

TheRedneck


So what? New Zealand has crime like everywhere else. I won't deny that. People drive drunk and get into fights and steal, etc. Our overall crime rate is still less than the US.

... and it is really beside the point of gun deaths, of which we have very very few, even on a per capita basis.

You can't win this argument by appeal to the general crime statistics of a country that always betters yours.

Out of all countries in the world, 65% have less crime than the US: Crime Index for Country 2019 Mid-Year - Numbeo

edit on 2/1/2020 by chr0naut because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 2 2020 @ 10:25 PM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: chr0naut



Christians don't kill people

perhaps you should wiki the spanish inquisition?


Do you think they were true Christians?



posted on Jan, 2 2020 @ 10:30 PM
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And you are the arbiter of such?
Pffft jog on hobbit
THEY represented themselves as such, who are you centuries later to monday morning quarterback them?
Next you will tell us your christchurch shooter was not religiously motivated?
Too bad your tyrant socialist state did not allow anyone to take his ass out before he killed piles of innocent worshippers.
No worries, Texas will show you the way.



posted on Jan, 2 2020 @ 10:56 PM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: chr0naut
And you are the arbiter of such?
Pffft jog on hobbit
THEY represented themselves as such, who are you centuries later to monday morning quarterback them?
Next you will tell us your christchurch shooter was not religiously motivated?
Too bad your tyrant socialist state did not allow anyone to take his ass out before he killed piles of innocent worshippers.
No worries, Texas will show you the way.



Jesus is the arbiter.



posted on Jan, 2 2020 @ 10:58 PM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: chr0naut
well now


Criminals have more motivation to get a gun than others who are just responding to the criminals.

we just invent these statements now? out of thin air?


Yes, people can think of such things for themselves. Even me.



posted on Jan, 2 2020 @ 11:01 PM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: chr0naut
And you are the arbiter of such?
Pffft jog on hobbit
THEY represented themselves as such, who are you centuries later to monday morning quarterback them?
Next you will tell us your christchurch shooter was not religiously motivated?
Too bad your tyrant socialist state did not allow anyone to take his ass out before he killed piles of innocent worshippers.
No worries, Texas will show you the way.



Jesus is the arbiter.

Hahaha
As if you in any way knew such.
You are a laff riot.

So you are no longer denying them as Christians?



posted on Jan, 2 2020 @ 11:02 PM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: chr0naut
well now


Criminals have more motivation to get a gun than others who are just responding to the criminals.

we just invent these statements now? out of thin air?


Yes, people can think of such things for themselves. Even me.

Yep
They are called lies
You post them alot
As if you knew ANYONE'S motivations.



posted on Jan, 2 2020 @ 11:06 PM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: chr0naut



Christians don't kill people

perhaps you should wiki the spanish inquisition?


I didn't expect that.



posted on Jan, 2 2020 @ 11:07 PM
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Nobody does





posted on Jan, 2 2020 @ 11:07 PM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: chr0naut
And you are the arbiter of such?
Pffft jog on hobbit
THEY represented themselves as such, who are you centuries later to monday morning quarterback them?
Next you will tell us your christchurch shooter was not religiously motivated?
Too bad your tyrant socialist state did not allow anyone to take his ass out before he killed piles of innocent worshippers.
No worries, Texas will show you the way.


Jesus is the arbiter.

Hahaha
As if you in any way knew such.
You are a laff riot.

So you are no longer denying them as Christians?


You jump so amazingly to confusions...



Tell me once more about how ram's bladders may be employed in the prevention of earthquakes?



edit on 2/1/2020 by chr0naut because: Apologies to Monty Python fans. I am emphatically not claiming that I wrote any of their works.



posted on Jan, 2 2020 @ 11:19 PM
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Only one that is confused is you.
Keeping up with all those frayed ends must be exhausting.
No worries



posted on Jan, 2 2020 @ 11:23 PM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: chr0naut
Only one that is confused is you.
Keeping up with all those frayed ends must be exhausting.
No worries


I can always go back to the core topic and the actual data.

and I don't have goldfish short attention span.




posted on Jan, 2 2020 @ 11:25 PM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: chr0naut
well now


Criminals have more motivation to get a gun than others who are just responding to the criminals.

we just invent these statements now? out of thin air?


Yes, people can think of such things for themselves. Even me.

Yep
They are called lies
You post them alot
As if you knew ANYONE'S motivations.


What lies?



posted on Jan, 2 2020 @ 11:28 PM
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We have the 2nd
You hate that it works
See texas

That is the core,no?

One old armed texan shows you the way....

Stomp your feet all you like, had that old armed texan been in christchurch many many lives would have been saved.



posted on Jan, 2 2020 @ 11:30 PM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: chr0naut



Self defense is an inadequate reason for gun ownership.

only in nations in which the government fears its citizens
such governments are inadequate
as are their citizens


It's always fear with you guys.

Our government works for its citizens. If it doesn't, we won't elect them next time. That is how a democracy works, government of the people, for the people, by the people. When you are a little country like NZ, it's harder for government to be 'other' than us. Everyone knows someone...



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