MSM, intel community and Dems spent three years pushing Russia propaganda, now accuse others

originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: Grambler

Another great thread Grambler!
I think most of America has woken up to their BS. They're going to get slaughtered in the elections next year.


Hope you had a great Christmas, and have a happy new year!

Voting numbers wise I suspect Trump will lose...The Dems I'm sure have spent the last couple years perfecting vote fraud plus allowing illegals to vote...

Electoral wise Trump should easily win again...

originally posted by: Wardaddy454
a reply to: oloufo

How does a stronger US military, a stronger Nato, and it is stronger, help Russia's designs?

We're pushing towards energy independence, and yet Germany is buying energy from Russia. I don't think we're helping Russia here. Unless you can elaborate on how exactly it does.

Well, Putin is a pretty smart guy.

I think he realizes how dangerous it would be to allow a bunch of Bats#@t crazy progressives to be in charge of one of the largest Nuclear arsenals in the world.

If Russia did interfere, then they would have only been acting in the interests of every person on the planet and not just for their own gain...!!

Russia has also been thorough the whole Socialist/Communist thing, they don't want another superpower going down that path and become a clear danger to their own stability.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Fine with me.

I'm just interested in national security.

Other countries are interfering here and our congress and potus need to stop denying that and start working together to do something about it.

The dems are just as bad. They seem to only be focused on russia. While turning a blind eye to the other countries doing this stuff.

a reply to: MarioOnTheFly

Here's the most recent one. But you don't believe this report so why did you even ask?

apps.npr.org...

Fantastic OP.

I don't like Trump. He swindled investors in Toronto, Hawaii, Tampa, and Fort Lauderdale out of millions. I could not vote for him in 2016. I was one of the thousands that voted for Castle.

Trump is undignified. Trump is a clown. Trump brings a lack of honor to the table that if the next President doesn't restore, we are in deep, deep, trouble.

What's worse though is what is described in your OP.

The events in your OP is exactly what happened.

To deny that is akin to denying gravity exists.

Not only do we have a disgraceful blowhard in the Presidency, we have a severely disgraced system in our justice system to the extent that civil wars have been started over.

So I see 2020 much differently than 2016. This time I'm voting for Trump for sure. The media can come out and say Trump, with satellite footage to prove it, raped a family of baby seal cubs to death in Alaska and I'll still be voting for him.

I will do that only because nobody from the Dems, or 3rd party, will be more incentivised to get to the bottom of the coup that was attempted in 2016 and hasn't stopped.

originally posted by: Thenail
a reply to: watchitburn

I think they should be hanged for trying to overthrow the government

There has to be some laws that prevent a deep state coup like we are seeing.

a reply to: Bloodworth

Sadly, there isn't

But you know what would likely cure most, if not all of it?

Term Limits.

originally posted by: oloufo
a reply to: Grambler

the sad thing is that you patriots are in truth russian puppets. the russians naturally get involved in the 2016 election and of course was trump putin's wish candidate because he knew that trump would cause chaos and unrest ... the german far rights are financially supported by russia, that is no secret. the strategy is simple: split society and thereby weaken your opponents. Putin dreams of the great Russian empire that once existed, that's what it's all about. and you idiots help him.

Just imagine that thousands of Americans actually believe this. ^

Russia isn't scary, China isn't scary, ignorance and blind faith in talking points is. It's cringy reading something like that and knowing the person that wrote it is so inept at critical thinking they're ready to hang innocent people because of lies that came from within the country, within the government and intelligence agencies charged with protecting this country.......and here they are feeding the sheep crap like this all because their glass house was threatened by a capable outsider.

Gaurntee after Trump we will not have legit elections again, and freedom of critical thought and speech will be relics of the past if the American people can not get a grip of the corrupt machine before it destroys the country to hide it's dark secrets.

Then again, you can't fix stupid.

a reply to: oloufo

Huh. Tell us what you really think??

I didn't vote for Trump, nor did I vote for Clinton. Am I a Russian puppet??

Govt. interfere with elections, though interfere isn't quite the right word for it, all the time. Pay for ads for a candidate, and/or party that they think will be more helpful to them.

That you seem to, somehow or other, think that russia is somehow unique in this is somewhat odd. They all do it, and there's no stopping it.

The big thing is, I like Trump, but he is egregious sometimes.

It is not that I like Trump so much, it is that I think the left are pure evil and Trump is the right man for the job at this current juncture.

The leftists know they are wrong and evil. THEY KNOW IT. Nobody on the face of the planet is that dumb. It's their home team and be damned if they don't go down with the ship. There are enough of them willing to lie and subjugate our system that it really is hopeless.

Have you seen the ending of "Inglorius Basterds"? In the end they will all disassociate themselves from the past 3 years and say they had nothing to do with it. I'd like to see them wear that shame the rest of their lives.

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: DBCowboy
At least right now the dems ( for political reasons) are bringing this to everyone's attention.
The repubs should be helping them. Because as you just said the russians have interfered.
And I think they will again.

Unbelievable.

Are you serious? Of course they have, as have dozens of other countries.

The question is, have they actually succeeded in changing any votes? The only sane answer is, no, none, nada, zilch. Except maybe for yours or anyone else dumb enough to believe this 'election meddling' nonsense is anything other than what it is... a tactic in and of itself, used purely to sow division... and thanks to people like you, it is working wonderfully.

Wake up, look in a mirror, and see the true face of your real enemy.

originally posted by: Scepticaldem
Hunter was paid 50k a month from Ukraine,

Correction - it was more like $83k/mo

originally posted by: Flesh699

originally posted by: oloufo
a reply to: Grambler

the sad thing is that you patriots are in truth russian puppets. the russians naturally get involved in the 2016 election and of course was trump putin's wish candidate because he knew that trump would cause chaos and unrest ... the german far rights are financially supported by russia, that is no secret. the strategy is simple: split society and thereby weaken your opponents. Putin dreams of the great Russian empire that once existed, that's what it's all about. and you idiots help him.

Just imagine that thousands of Americans actually believe this. ^

Thousands? It's millions - and that's before you even count anybody outside of California.

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: DBCowboy
Has russia ever interfered with our elections?

Define 'interfere'.

Let me ask you another question...

Even if 'the Russians' caused some unknown number of voters to change their votes, do you honestly believe that it was even remotely enough to change the outcome of the election?

If so, please provide at least one example of this 'interference' that was powerful enough to change even one vote.

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: DBCowboy
Other countries are interfering here

I keep hearing this term 'interfering' - or 'meddling'...

How, exactly, are they interfering? Running Facebook ads? Twitter bots? Really? Really???

and our congress and potus need to stop denying that and start working together to do something about it.

What, exactly, do you suggest we do?

The dems are just as bad. They seem to only be focused on russia. While turning a blind eye to the other countries doing this stuff.

What 'stuff', exactly, are you talking about?

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: MarioOnTheFly

Here's the most recent one. But you don't believe this report so why did you even ask?

Maybe we keep hoping someone will actually provide something realistic/believable?

The Mueller Report? Seriously? That discredited waste of paper that Mueller himself didn't even appear to have read when questioned about it? That cited the 'seventeen intelligence agencies agree' fake news that has been thoroughly debunked as 'proof' that our elections were 'meddled in'?

Excuse me, but...

Rotflmao!?

originally posted by: GenerationGap
I don't like Trump. He swindled investors in Toronto, Hawaii, Tampa, and Fort Lauderdale out of millions.

Proof?

Trump is undignified. Trump is a clown. Trump brings a lack of honor to the table that if the next President doesn't restore, we are in deep, deep, trouble.

All three claims totally without merit.

As for the rest... good on ya, mate...

KAG2020/2024/2028!

a reply to: tanstaafl

The fact that they tried it is enough.

If even one american was deceived and voted based on that deception is more than enough to want something done about it.

Russia does not get a pass from me.

You really think russian propaganda didn't deceive even one american? You might have been deceived yourself but don't know it. You wouldn't think you have but how could you really know?
I think our democratic process is important enough to air on the side of caution and get this taken care of.

a reply to: scraedtosleep

Should the US meddle in other nations elections?