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Fact checking Bill Barr- without knowing what he knows?

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posted on Dec, 27 2019 @ 06:35 AM
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www.wral.com...





By Bill McCarthy, PolitiFact reporter

Attorney General William Barr blasted the FBI over its 2016 decision to open the Russia investigation later led by Special Counsel Robert Mueller, rejecting an inspector general’s conclusion that the FBI’s probe was justified from the get-go.

"The Inspector General’s report now makes clear that the FBI launched an intrusive investigation of a U.S. presidential campaign on the thinnest of suspicions that, in my view, were insufficient to justify the steps taken," Barr said in a statement.

The report by Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz did find "significant inaccuracies and omissions" left out of the FBI’s applications for court-ordered surveillance of former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page. But it said the agency’s decision to open an investigation into the campaign’s ties with Russia was warranted and not motivated by politics.


Yes, we have heard what the IG report said, and we also heard that the IG had limitations on how much information he could gather. If nobody wrote down that they were biased against Trump, then he can't say he found any bias. Which is what happened. But time and more investigation may prove differently, This thread should prove to be interesting after the Durham report comes out.




posted on Dec, 27 2019 @ 06:48 AM
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a reply to: network dude

Of course Barr knows everything. But Barr says much... and does nothing. At least nothing practical or productive. Including his job as chief investigator and prosecutor of crimes. You know... as Attorney General of these Unites States.

But I didn't expect he would. Barr is a Fixer for the guilty.

So no surprise here.



posted on Dec, 27 2019 @ 07:28 AM
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originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: network dude

Of course Barr knows everything. But Barr says much... and does nothing. At least nothing practical or productive. Including his job as chief investigator and prosecutor of crimes. You know... as Attorney General of these Unites States.

But I didn't expect he would. Barr is a Fixer for the guilty.

So no surprise here.

Barr may have been picked because of his past work and connections, dark as they may seem.

Who better to run the offense than an insider that knows the connections first-hand?

Time will tell.



posted on Dec, 27 2019 @ 08:03 AM
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Barr may have been picked because of his past work and connections, dark as they may seem. Who better to run the offense than an insider that knows the connections first-hand?


This is true... and I would like to believe that. But I see nothing to inspire such belief.


Time will tell.


Also true. And if I'm wrong, I will be happy for you to remind me when that time comes! My overwhelming joy will console my bruised ego!!!



posted on Dec, 27 2019 @ 08:15 AM
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originally posted by: network dude
This thread should prove to be interesting after the Durham report comes out.

Stop it!!!

There will be no Durham report - unless Durham/Barr is/are covering everything up.

Durham is a Prosecutor, not an IG.

Durham will produce indictments and prosecutions.
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posted on Dec, 27 2019 @ 08:24 AM
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originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: network dude

Of course Barr knows everything. But Barr says much... and does nothing. At least nothing practical or productive. Including his job as chief investigator and prosecutor of crimes. You know... as Attorney General of these Unites States.

But I didn't expect he would. Barr is a Fixer for the guilty.

So no surprise here.

Maybe. I was not happy when I learned he was AG when Ruby Ridge incident went down, and he covered for the murderer sniper who shot Vicki Weaver in the head while standing in the door of her home holding her baby in her arms. That was despicable.

But... he is doing more than just saying words. His actions suggest there will be major consequences for major players. Maybe he is trying to atone for things he did in his past (like RR) when he had a lot more to lose.

That is my hope.



posted on Dec, 27 2019 @ 08:42 AM
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I hope that you are wrong and so do you, so there will be no gloating.... just happiness.



posted on Dec, 27 2019 @ 09:02 AM
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You know, I picked up on Durham having worked with Mueller on the Whitey Bulger "case", I mean racket, I mean...

And then I lost hope that anything involving justice was in play.

Reading how we worked with Bulger, via Mueller et al...is horrifying.
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posted on Dec, 27 2019 @ 09:13 AM
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Barr appointed him to lead the investigation...

There will be a report, but not for many months as stated via multiple news sources, Barr and the White House.

comments such as this are not a simple "prosecutor":



Based on the evidence collected to date, and while our investigation is ongoing, last month we advised the inspector general that we do not agree with some of the report’s conclusions as to predication and how the F.B.I. case was opened.”


NY Times (of all things!)

OR from the other end of the spectrum:


In the hours after U.S. Attorney John Durham announced Monday that he did not "agree" with key findings by Justice Department Inspector General Michael E. Horowitz, speculation swirled over what Durham has uncovered in his ongoing review into potential surveillance abuses against President Trump's team.

--[snip]--

"Based on the evidence collected to date, and while our investigation is ongoing, last month we advised the Inspector General that we do not agree with some of the report’s conclusions as to predication and how the FBI case was opened," Durham said in his statement, adding that his "investigation is not limited to developing information from within component parts of the Justice Department" and "has included developing information from other persons and entities, both in the U.S. and outside of the U.S."


Fox News

No doubt there will be a report period.

mg

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posted on Dec, 27 2019 @ 09:20 AM
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Maybe. I was not happy when I learned he was AG when Ruby Ridge incident went down, and he covered for the murderer sniper who shot Vicki Weaver in the head while standing in the door of her home holding her baby in her arms. That was despicable.


Yes, it was despicable. And impossible to forget for those of us who watched it all happen. Especially finding out that Horiuchi was at Waco as well. Two of the most despicable and appalling events on our own soil by our own government in our nation's history.


But... he is doing more than just saying words. His actions suggest there will be major consequences for major players. Maybe he is trying to atone for things he did in his past (like RR) when he had a lot more to lose.

That is my hope.


That's my hope too, I'm just too cynical to believe it at this point. But I will be very happy if Barr et al prove me wrong.



posted on Dec, 27 2019 @ 09:21 AM
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originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: Boadicea
I hope that you are wrong and so do you, so there will be no gloating.... just happiness.


Then it will be my pleasure to celebrate with you.

What a wonder it would be to see real justice, eh? Finally.



posted on Dec, 27 2019 @ 09:28 AM
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originally posted by: BlueJacket
a reply to: Boadicea

You know, I picked up on Durham having worked with Mueller on the Whitey Bulger "case", I mean racket, I mean...

And then I lost hope that anything involving justice was in play.

Reading how we worked with Bulger, via Mueller et al...is horrifying.


Oh my yes! Another absolutely shameful and despicable act by government in our history. I wasn't aware of Durham's involvement at first -- or just didn't remember.

But I agree. It does not inspire confidence in justice being served.



posted on Dec, 27 2019 @ 12:02 PM
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originally posted by: BlueJacket
a reply to: Boadicea
You know, I picked up on Durham having worked with Mueller on the Whitey Bulger "case", I mean racket, I mean...

And then I lost hope that anything involving justice was in play.

Reading how we worked with Bulger, via Mueller et al...is horrifying.

I agree, except... I can't find anything saying Durham was working 'with Mueller'. In fact, the opposite.

Can you point to something more sinister showing he may have been complicit?



posted on Dec, 27 2019 @ 01:43 PM
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Agreed.
From your link:

So, in 1999, Janet Reno appointed John Durham as Special Prosecutor and charged him with investigating FBI corruption in Boston. As it turned out, FBI agents aided mass murderer, Whitey Bulger and hid his crimes. Bulger was a protected informant. Durham sent one agent involved to prison for 10 years. Then-US Attorney, Robert Mueller is probably the one who should have landed in the pen. He allowed four innocent men to be sent to prison for a murder he knew they didn’t commit. He did it to protect Bulger. One of the four men was in Florida at the time of the murder and could not have committed the murder.

Durham is known for sending FBI agents to prison and having found that the CIA was torturing prisoners.

John Durham is a low-profile professional thrust into a decidedly high-profile assignment. The press-shy Connecticut prosecutor was tapped by Attorney General Eric Holder on Aug. 24 to investigate alleged mistreatment of terror suspects by CIA interrogators and contractors. His appointment came on the heels of a newly released Justice Department report indicating interrogators abused prisoners by, among other things, threatening to kill one man's family and choking another man to the point of unconsciousness. Durham, 59, is no stranger to top-level governmental investigations. In 1999 he was selected by Attorney General Janet Reno to probe law-enforcement corruption in Boston. Last year he was named by Attorney General Michael Mukasey to head the ongoing investigation into the destruction of CIA interrogation videotapes. Colleagues say Durham is thorough and cautious in deciding whether a case deserves to be prosecuted. But once he fixes on a target, the veteran lawyer usually catches his prey.

Time Magazine



posted on Dec, 27 2019 @ 03:47 PM
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originally posted by: missed_gear
a reply to: tanstaafl
Barr appointed him to lead the investigation...

There will be a report, but not for many months as stated via multiple news sources, Barr and the White House.

Do you really think we will see a 'report' discussing ongoing criminal prosecutions before the prosecutions take place and are completed?

We may see something very general in nature, but certainly nothing with meat in it - at least, not until after the prosecutions are done.

Of course, I did say - assuming there are any prosecutions. I have $1,000 riding on the fact that there will be substantive prosecutions of 'people of consequence' (meaning, not low-level nobody fall guys).



posted on Dec, 27 2019 @ 05:40 PM
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Fact checking Bill Barr- without knowing what he knows?


What are we fact checking ?
Do you have a list?



This thread should prove to be interesting after the Durham report comes out.


Getting ahead of the game then?



posted on Dec, 27 2019 @ 05:49 PM
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originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: BlueJacket
a reply to: Boadicea
You know, I picked up on Durham having worked with Mueller on the Whitey Bulger "case", I mean racket, I mean...

And then I lost hope that anything involving justice was in play.

Reading how we worked with Bulger, via Mueller et al...is horrifying.

I agree, except... I can't find anything saying Durham was working 'with Mueller'. In fact, the opposite.

Can you point to something more sinister showing he may have been complicit?
Yeah, Im horrible typing on phones...my poor opinion of the FBI under Mueller, and seeing Durham had been part of the investigation, yet Mueller just escaped any real scrutiny (from my understanding). So its all "circumstantial" for me.

So many cover ups over the years and its always got the same people playing with no evident or lasting change.



posted on Dec, 28 2019 @ 06:33 AM
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originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: network dude




Fact checking Bill Barr- without knowing what he knows?


What are we fact checking ?
Do you have a list?



This thread should prove to be interesting after the Durham report comes out.


Getting ahead of the game then?


LOL, if you click the linky, you might not sound so dinky. Derp.



posted on Dec, 28 2019 @ 08:59 AM
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Nobody knows what Barr knows now. Or Whitacre, Or Sessions, Or Huber, Or whomever the USAtty in Arkansas hooked into the Clinton Library, Clinton Foundation, recent murder of a State Senator, kiddie porn charges for the State DNC Chair.

Everybody waiting for DECLAS is going to be disappointed because it's already happened with POTUS' announcement.
Barr is holding any public release until DoJ cases are completed/announced. Doubtful we'll see more than a summary.

Barr and Durham - which Durham? Both Durhams? Which one got appointed by Sessions in 2017?

Rudy - What does Rudy have that can be cross examined? What documentary evidence is usable in a prosecution? Was it FakeNews that two of his witnesses turned up dead in a river in Ukraine?

And speaking of dead people, there's been a rash of unusually timely Spacey related deaths as well including former royalty Arkancide on Christmas.


This seems like enough of a start for fact checking... oh yeah & Epstein didn't do it Mr. Kotter! (Juan)

ganjoa



posted on Dec, 28 2019 @ 01:08 PM
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every time I type "epstien" that is what comes to mind.



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