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Negative Time Dilation Eternal Photons and other speculation

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posted on Dec, 25 2019 @ 09:10 AM
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Reverse Time Dilation and Information Transfer


What if the current measured speed of light isn't as accurate as we first thought? Human ego and self centric thinking has created some big hurdles in science especially.

First a some media and resources to help refresh or widen your understanding of this area of physics.


Time Dilation for beginners:







Time Dilation (Wiki)

Time dilation is a difference in the elapsed time measured by two clocks, either due to them having a velocity relative to each other, or by there being a gravitational potential difference between their locations. After compensating for varying signal delays due to the changing distance between an observer and a moving clock (i.e. Doppler effect), the observer will measure the moving clock as ticking slower than a clock that is at rest in the observer's own reference frame.






"Einstein saves the quantum cat"



Illustration of a molecule in the presence of gravitational time dilation. The molecule is in a quantum superposition of being in several places at the same time, but time dilation destroys this quantum phenomenon. Credit: Igor Pikovski, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics

Read more at Phys.org


Now, I'll attempt to explain the basics of a new theory.

Firstly a diagram. The figures are approximate.



Time is a wave function!

What if from a different perspective C or 186000 m/s was changed to zero for reference. We are actually at +186000 M/h as opposed to the - which would be either an older or the next universe in the big bang, big whimper cycle. Oh yeah, the big bang is a result of the end of a universe. The final and only singularity left in existence would be an awesome thing but not much to look at. Where is all that mass energy hiding. Did the information or energy go backwards in time? I believe it could be possible.

The final singularity, folding over on itself and multiple dimensions of time leading to the big bang. The next big question is what came first, the bang or the whimper, it's cyclical in nature and self sustaining. Possible an information system on a scale we cannot imagine or can we!?

The CIA's project Stargate that covers remote viewing has proved that information can travel or be exchanged back and forward in time in live way. Strange they didn't go into detail about information edits while remote viewing psychically. Changing the past from the present or the present from the future seems paradoxical but is it entirely? In a controlled and insulated situation it could be done with ease I imagine. But for something that causes a ripple in time that can be observed via human interaction or events it would seem to be impossible or at the very least possibly creating new time lines that are mappable and predictable but I digress.


So I wanna change the measurement for C to zero, am I crazy or just stupid or maybe it's time to connect those dots and expand your horizons.
A photon is basically eternal, travelling for billions of years in a perfect state of preservation and consistency. The information stored is lossless.

Where does energy go when it enters a black hole, compressed or converted into what and where is it. Where did it go.

Let's take a break, fun fact. You are always moving! Taking into account rotation, orbit and others factors the Earth is actually moving approximately 12 million km/h. So your moving pretty fast right now. Where is the inertia? What does relativity say about us moving at that velocity regarding mass? Or is it only acceleration we should take into account.


What if a black hole connects points in time? Back to the beggining constantly. An eternal moment of perfection connected over currently 18 Billions years. Although if I were a photon the universe or its source or energy would feel new with every photon emitted. The photons combined to make an image of the Hubble deep field have remained unchanged since they day they were born and perhaps go on to travel forever from one universe to the next becoming dark energy that is currently incompatible with our standard of data decryption/analyses techniques. Moving through space but not interacting with the + or current universe relative to the observer. Zero point being the barrier between verses. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ (big bang and big whimper in cycles.

Why does light interact with black holes when photons have zero mass just like zero time or half life. It could simply be a lensing issue. As for the particles that do enter a black hole, where do they go. It's not as though there is a storage area below the event horizon. From our reference frame, the energy is gone. No longer measurable from that point onwards looking forward in time. Looking back, that matter or energy can be tracked back all the way to the big bang if we had the means, time and technology to study such a thing. Once it enters the black hole it goes back meets up with its parrelel self and becomes an opposite which goes part way in explaining the origin of spooky action at a distance. Gravitational waves, expansion and time reversal make it plausible to view a star in two places simultaneously. If you were to travel to the star it would snap back into position based on observation and relativy. However even a star can be in superposition or a galaxy at different life stages, same goes for the star.

The gravitational energy could be so immense that it actually slows or increases the photons down enough to convert it into something else or just enough to give it mass. The energy output of a photon with velocity slowed or increased by 0.0001% may give it measurable mass. The photon would then be capable of interacting with and attracted to the gravitational mass force. If it increases, the information moves backward in time relative to us as positive and negative time dilation stipulate.

So then how do we read time or events yet to occur. There have been many examples in psuedo science and fringe areas. ESP, pre cognition, prophets, remote viewing. The sad truth is as well, a paradox. Much like the moment the enigma code was broken. Even if you could perceive a future disaster for example. It may not be able to be altered. In altering it, how did you perceive to begin


Back with Part 2 shortly

Excersize: James' dice - forget Schrodinger's cat. I'm aware it's a thought experiment but in reality leave the cat in the box for 1 week, it does from starvation etc.

Take 3 dice and put them in a small box with enough room for them to move freely. Rattle the box.

Now...

Don't open it! Wait.. Within that box is the potential for 216 different outcomes but until you open that.box or observe the result it is in relative probable superposition, from the perspective of a.thought experiment that is. This adds a practical element to the experiment. Forget the cat excersize, it's dead.



Just as one die has six outcomes and two dice have 62 = 36 outcomes, the probability experiment of rolling three dice has 63 = 216 outcomes. This idea generalizes further for more dice. If we roll n dice then there are 6n outcomes.



Peace out, respect one another, help each other. There's no I in team.

James

edit on 25/12/19 by Havick007 because: Proofs and corrections




posted on Dec, 25 2019 @ 09:58 AM
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It's ~186000 miles / second though.

a reply to: Havick007



posted on Dec, 25 2019 @ 10:10 AM
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originally posted by: hombero
It's ~186000 miles / second though.

a reply to: Havick007




It could be zero per infinity.

Velocity, distance measured over said time.

The time component isn't fixed, it's relative.

That's my theory. I have more detail and thinking excersizes to add to help.

The faster you gain distance or space, the slower things are or is it the slower you go in speed, time waves expand allowing time to keep up.

I've just had another light bulb moment trying to think of things from the faster perspective and how one might perceive or measure something naturally slower in velocity but faster in time.

Need time to ponder it.

Thanks, Ive corrected that page error. I should have proof read it.

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posted on Dec, 25 2019 @ 11:22 AM
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originally posted by: Havick007
So I wanna change the measurement for C to zero, am I crazy or just stupid or maybe it's time to connect those dots and expand your horizons.
It's really an impossible thing to do with the current definition of the meter:

www.bipm.org...
"The metre is the length of the path travelled by light in vacuum during a time interval of 1/299 792 458 of a second."

If you reject the currently accepted definition of the meter, you're inventing your own system of units which would need to be explained and defined for anyone else to understand what you're talking about. If you accept the current definition of the meter, and you think there is any way to come up with a speed of light other than 299 792 458 meters per second in a vacuum, you'll have to decide which of your proposed ad hominems to apply to yourself since I'm not allowed to do that per the ATS rules.


Where does energy go when it enters a black hole, compressed or converted into what and where is it. Where did it go.
If a photon goes into a black hole, the energy becomes part of the black hole


Let's take a break, fun fact. You are always moving! Taking into account rotation, orbit and others factors the Earth is actually moving approximately 12 million km/h. So your moving pretty fast right now. Where is the inertia? What does relativity say about us moving at that velocity regarding mass?
According to Einstein, the rest mass never changes, and he didn't think the concept of relativistic mass was a valid concept, rather, he said it was the energy that increased, not the mass. It's explained in one of my posts here:

Is E=mc² right or wrong?
Mass in special relativity



Why does light interact with black holes when photons have zero mass just like zero time or half life. It could simply be a lensing issue. As for the particles that do enter a black hole, where do they go. It's not as though there is a storage area below the event horizon. From our reference frame, the energy is gone.
The energy of particles including photons or any other particles entering the black hole is not gone, it becomes part of the black hole's mass according to theory, though our error bars on a black holes mass are too wide to detect the change in mass from a single photon.

By the way the black hole is also attracted to a photon passing nearby even though the photon is massless, as explained here:



Sometimes physicists use natural units and set things equal to one or other simplified expressions, as explained here:

Natural units

The math still works that way if you know what you're doing with natural units, but there aren't any provisions for setting things to zero, the math won't work if you do that.



posted on Dec, 25 2019 @ 04:53 PM
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where future and past meet the space distallate in present... ore the universe we see and know



posted on Dec, 25 2019 @ 05:17 PM
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b.t.w
ever considerd that we are actual now falling into an black hole?
that would explain the present of "dark matter and dark energy"
we calculate now in billions of "earth" years …
for an observer outside it could be an split second ….
my point... if you fall in an black hole ..would you ever notice it couse time issent an stable factor then…
are the black holes we see now entrances ore exits ????????????

edit on 25-12-2019 by ressiv because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 28 2019 @ 09:55 AM
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a reply to: Havick007



In 5 minutes a fixed spot the earth will have moved 250000 miles ahead of us



Earth travels about 1.6 million miles (2.6 million km) a day, or 66,627 mph (107,226 km/h).

The sun and the solar system appear to be moving at 200 kilometers per second, or at an average speed of 448,000 mph (720,000 km/h)

the two (galaxies) are rushing toward each other at about 70 miles per second (112 km per second).

Link

When looking glass comes up I need some field of reference. So we are talking about our solar system. The 6000 year thing fits in better with that.

The diagram you draw is intriguing. Using C as 0 does provide an interesting perspective to the fundamentals of light. It will need to be translated later, but for a starting point to say what is going on, I like it. On initial perspective I see it as one slice of a toroid when going warp drive with your drawing. Similar to the whirlpool going in to +.

I don't know how to practically make any sense of this at this time. I am willing to discuss these theories. For now lets step away from the big bang and focus on time as a wave function. Our speed relates to time, so what do you see when going faster than light?
edit on 28-12-2019 by kwakakev because: spelling



posted on Jan, 2 2020 @ 12:59 PM
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a reply to: kwakakev

How would it look..

It takes 8 minutes for the light from our sun to reach us. Perhaps if travelling faster than light(if that were actually possible) you would begin to see the star activity in reverse. Think of the light beams as information streams, in this case optical. The further you move away from the star, you begin to see photons from earlier points in time untill eventually it goes dark. Not due to solar death but rather before nuclear fusion had even began. Viewing it's life like a timeline in reverse as you travel faster than the light emitted. It cannot catch up and so the light observed is past light.

When we see a star in the sky. It's not actually in that position in real time. It has already moved. Negative time dilation could compensate in real time communication or eventually travel to and from from fixed points of reference.

Something strange to observe in this thread. I posted the OP on the 26th of December at 1:10am as you can check. The edit footer at the bottom is dated the 25th. I edited the OP within an hour of originally posting it. How is that possible?

I actually confused and it's rather ironic considering this particular thread. Most likely a site glitch though as I noticed the same with your reply and edit stamp.. i was baffled for a moment. Not so mysterious now.




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posted on Jan, 2 2020 @ 01:14 PM
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a reply to: Arbitrageur

Thanks for your input, I respect your opinion.

The word measurement wasn't the correct way to describe it. The measurement doesn't change. The reference and we have labelled it does. It's still the same from the perspective, the speed of light. It's been measured relative to us. I understand this.



posted on Jan, 2 2020 @ 06:32 PM
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a reply to: Havick007

Good, common sense approach to how things would look going warp speed. Witnessing our sun regress in age as we move further away would be match by seeing the stars progress in our direction of travel. Looking out the side window and things will look constant in time.

One potential spanner in this thinking is with general relativity and how time is affected by mass and velocity. As we get closer to light speed, the passage of time slows down as the time dilation increases. When looking at this curve, if you can get over the infinite energy bump then a negative time progression does look mathematically reasonable. Most warp drive technology looks to bypass this by negating mass.

When it comes to black holes, I see them like a star seed. A strong gravity hole just sitting in space feeding, breaking down all the matter and energy that it comes in contact with. Eventually some critical mass point will be reached once they have absorbed enough and switch on. They might turn into a solar system or galaxy depending on their size. Could be different types of black holes that process matter and energy in different ways. Can see them going through their own cycles of bangs and contractions.

There is good evidence of gravitational lensing around. This does produce an illusion of superposition with the items behind a black hole or other strong gravitational force. I attribute this effect to how light travels through matter. Similar to how sound travels with the wind or through other currents like water. With the matter that light travels through going through strong momentum forces around a black hole, this is what affects the direction and trajectory of the light path.

When looking into cases like the Philadelphia Experiment, there is something to the time line getting broken. Reports of the crew members fighting in a nearby bar, that phased in and out of time is a head scratcher. Things just get weirder the more you look into it. Some might be disinfo to throw people off the track. Whatever did happen got deep into the twilight zone.

Good point on the date when making edits, looks like a bug.
edit on 2-1-2020 by kwakakev because: no change, test date bug



posted on Jan, 3 2020 @ 05:08 AM
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breaking down all the matter and energy that it comes in contact with. Eventually some critical mass point will be reached once they have absorbed enough and switch on.
a reply to: kwakakev

I'm curious as to where all that matter, mass and energy actually go or remain stored, so to speak. It's not like we see the gravity well or a bulge under or over the black hole as to where it is going. It's breaks dimensional boundaries and dissapears from this current reality or time. It doesn't go forward, we could trace it or detect it (with the exception of radiation bursts) where is it?

The answer should be simpler, as with everything else observed in the universe.



posted on Jan, 3 2020 @ 05:10 AM
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originally posted by: Havick007
a reply to: Arbitrageur

Thanks for your input, I respect your opinion.

The word measurement wasn't the correct way to describe it. The measurement doesn't change. The reference and we have labelled it does. It's still the same from the perspective, the speed of light. It's been measured relative to us. I understand this.





Apologies to the community, my above reply was appalling in terms of grammar, writing and general English skills



posted on Jan, 3 2020 @ 05:15 AM
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a reply to: ressiv




then…
are the black holes we see now entrances ore exits ????????????



Entrances or exits to where or is it to when?
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posted on Jan, 3 2020 @ 05:17 AM
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a reply to: kwakakev

It seems that bug has been fixed.. that was quick. Punn intended

edit on 3/1/20 by Havick007 because: Check date stamp



posted on Jan, 3 2020 @ 05:57 AM
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originally posted by: Havick007

originally posted by: Havick007
a reply to: Arbitrageur

Thanks for your input, I respect your opinion.

The word measurement wasn't the correct way to describe it. The measurement doesn't change. The reference and we have labelled it does. It's still the same from the perspective, the speed of light. It's been measured relative to us. I understand this.





Apologies to the community, my above reply was appalling in terms of grammar, writing and general English skills


Something to add -




posted on Jan, 3 2020 @ 11:33 PM
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I'm loving that this thread seems stuck at 8 flags. Considering infinity and zero point time are one in the same. ♾

Anyone wanna give me more flags... To ruin it



posted on Jan, 4 2020 @ 12:24 AM
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originally posted by: Havick007
What if the current measured speed of light isn't as accurate as we first thought? Human ego and self centric thinking has created some big hurdles in science especially.



No, it is ignorance to blame. The speed of light has nothing to do with light. It is the speed limit of all waveforms in the modulated realm. You are simply indoctrinated by words games substituted for education. I bet you know all about computer specs and gaming system limitations though.



posted on Jan, 4 2020 @ 01:04 AM
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I'm curious as to where all that matter, mass and energy actually go or remain stored, so to speak


All the empty space is taken out from how I picture it. Most of the area of an atom is empty so there is plenty of room for atomic compression. If all the quantum entanglements get untangled, will not need much space to fit the remaining mass / energy / matter.



It's not like we see the gravity well or a bulge under or over the black hole as to where it is going.


We can see the effects of gravitational lensing as the light passes near the event horizon. This does bend and bulge the light. There is a bit of work around looking into it. Below that it is a black hole and does get hard to see. With some high density black holes like at the center of the galaxy, there are ejection points at the poles which throws out gamma rays and similar stuff.

The actual speed of light depends on the medium it is traveling through. Similar to sound waves again. In fiber optics there are certain materials used to slow down the light wave for further processing.

When it comes to understanding the universe it does look to be chock full of mysteries.



posted on Jan, 4 2020 @ 03:11 AM
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originally posted by: Havick007
a reply to: kwakakev

How would it look..

It takes 8 minutes for the light from our sun to reach us. Perhaps if travelling faster than light(if that were actually possible) you would begin to see the star activity in reverse.



From a photon's perspective, its trajectory occurs instantaneously. It's only from our timeframe, that light appears restricted to c

So I'm guessing that light from the sun would overtake you, the instant you broke the light barrier.



posted on Jan, 4 2020 @ 05:54 AM
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When it comes to understanding the universe it does look to be chock full of mysteries.


That's what makes it so interesting. There is so much yet left to discover.



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