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originally posted by: 1947boomer
originally posted by: DanDanDat
originally posted by: KrankBruder
a reply to: Rob808
Giving aid is a national policy to get other countries to do the right thing. It is not to personally help a corrupt politician get dirt on his political opponent.
Give a country some money to encourage democracy, or allow them to fight off an enemy.
Not: "Tell the press you are investigating Joe Biden and his son, because he is going to whip my ass in November..."
But what happens when "investigating Joe Biden and his son" is "the right thing" to do?
If investigating two US citizens is the right thing to do, that would be because under US law there would have to be some legally plausible predicate. In other words, there would have to be some set of facts that would lead someone to suspect that laws had been broken. In that case,the President (or any other senior official) would write up a statement of those facts and refer it over to the DOJ for investigation. The President doesn’t get to just single handedly start a criminal investigation on any citizen he doesn’t like.
If the DOJ begins an investigation, then they can invoke the US-Ukraine treaty to get the Ukrainians to support that Investigation for any part of the behavior that occurred on Ukrainian soil.
But Trump didn’t do that. Back in October, the White House said that the DOJ wasn’t asked to start an investigation and that no DOJ investigation was in fact started. That’s probably because White House lawyers knew that there was no reasonable predicate for an investigation of the Bidens. At that point, a law abiding President would have stopped his efforts. So, he went around the legally prescribed process and went directly to the Ukrainians, to try to get a result he couldn’t get through the US system.