originally posted by: Hello12345
a reply to: Byrd
It’s funny, America didn't have all of these issues associated with it that it does today.
Oh it did.
But if you were White and male, you benefited from these policies.
Do you not see that America back then was prosperous, but now it is eroding?
Wealth inequity was not caused by minorities and women starting to get the same opportunities and rights as White men. It's a repeat of "The Gilded
Age" (look it up) when most of the wealth was in the hands of the Robber Barons and we were told we should be glad to work for pennies a day so that
they could keep their money.
The wealthy are keeping more of their money... and now more of our money (here's some data)
Good sir or Mam, what exactly makes America better today? Our crime rate?
...which has been steadily decreasing. Here's a convenient link, but you can research this for yourself... go to the raw statistics; not someone's
Our declining school system?
Which is caused by wealth inequality... In order to satisfy the system, school resources are going to pay administrators and sports... teachers no
longer have class sizes of 15 or 20 (common in the 50's) but are trying to teach 30 to 40 kids every day. Also, kids are dealing with a very
different set of problems these days.
Our lack of morals?
I submit that we're MORE moral now.
For instance... is it moral for a man to beat his wife? I'd say "no"...but it was actually a common and accepted practice in the 50's and 60's and is
even referred to (jokingly) in ads and on tv and in movies.
Is it moral to bomb a church or school to keep Black kids from attending and integrating a school? I remember the ugly scenes when Ruby Bridges went
to a White school.
I agree that some old standards need to be changed -- it used to be against the law to run medicine as a "for-profit" (capitalistic model) operation.
It was essentially a form of socialism, where everyone got treated and the poor paid what they could or were taken care of as a charitable obligation.
That changed in 1973.
Tell me how is it remotely better when we are one bad move away from tanking the economy.
The economy is extremely complex, and America's economy is tied into the world's economy. We dodged several bullets with some controversial bailouts
in the past, but I'm not sure that the current crop of advisors has the moxie to deal with it. We can change that by electing people who pick better
economists and trade advisors.
Extreme liberalism had never worked, look historically, and it sure as hell isn't working now.
Actually, it HAS worked and worked quite well.
Take a look at the hardcore Islamic nations of today -- those laws haven't changed much in 500 years. How would you, a modern man, enjoy living under
Or here in America. Liberal values put an end to the witch trials (my husband's ancestor was one of the ones killed at Salem). Liberal values made
sweatshops illegal. Liberalism is responsible for the 40 hour work week. Liberalism put an end to being put in the stocks for not going to church.
Liberalism is responsible for the end of debtors prisons (at one time they could put you in prison if you didn't pay your bills on time.) Liberalism
allows Whites ad Blacks and Asians and Hispanics to walk into the same restaurant and eat a meal (I remember going into a diner with a Black friend
once and the scowls and bad service we got because I brought "one of THOSE" people with me.)
Liberalism gave us birth control. It gave school breakfast programs for kids whose families had no food (so we don't have kids fainting from hunger...
as I remember from the "good old fifties".) Liberalism gave us rules that mean your landlord has to maintain their property (and if it's a hazard,
they can't lease it to you.)
Liberalism put a stop to the genocide of Native Americans (something important for all of us who have Native American ancestors.) Liberalism put a
stop to ghetto-izing Italians and Irish and put an end to the indentured servitude laws.
Liberalism made employers responsible for medical bills if their work conditions are hazardous and one of their employees is hurt. Liberals also put
a stop to air pollution
...and on that last point. THIS link shows Los Angeles at two different times (I was actually there in both time periods)
The first is the result of the conservatives/capitalists -- it's just a reality that nobody's going to put in a lot of pollution controls unless they
HAVE to -- the second is after the liberals went "extreme" and taxed and fined and did all sorts of things.
I frankly prefer the world on the right, having lived in both.
What about you? Would you prefer the sweatshops, the robber barons, the 80 hour work weeks, caning and imprisonment if you didn't go to the "right"
church or didn't go to church, and so on and so forth?
Maybe you would. I've been there. Respectfully, I wouldn't go back... and you probably wouldn't either IF you were anybody but a White
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