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So I Recently Read Animal Farm Again

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posted on Dec, 23 2019 @ 08:32 AM
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A short novella of about 80 pages divided into ten chapters. Everyone should read it; you can find a pdf online. It becomes rather noticeable those that either have not read it or not understood it rather quickly.

But the Mudpit is no place for a book review and is not my intention. The original identities of the animals are rather apparent in the book with Stalin as Napoleon and Trotsky as Snowball. My intention is to identify who would be the characters today using US politicians.

    Napoleon - As the leader into this depravation, flip flopping positions and loyalties. Hillary Clinton

    Snowball - The scapegoat for all that is wrong because he was with us until he was against us. Donald Trump

    Boxer - Still Labor, only this time the Labor Unions and the Blue Collar Workers. Or do you feel as though they have not be abandoned today?

    Squealer - Nancy Pelosi. Not as bright but still the mouthpiece and cheerleader

    Old Major - The Founding Fathers. Watch them dig up that old skull and display it every time they need to really justify something big.

    Clover - The Lifelong Democrat. The party left her long ago but she will still only vote for the D.

    Moses - Al Gore. While AGW is no Sugarcandy Mountain, the tales of horror from Climate Change has become a religion of sorts in its fervor.

    Mollie - Hollywood Left. Only a part of it so long as it doesn’t effect them.

    Benjamin - The Apathetic Voters. They can see what is going on but cant be bothered to stop it.

    Muriel - Single Issue Voter. Oh they come in all stripes and their support and angst are too predictable.

    Sheep - The Uniformed Voter, bleating out the catchphrase. Hope and Change, I’m With Her. Still shilling as their flock gets fleeced.

    Birds - MSM. Not news, it is just stenography.


Agree/Disagree?




posted on Dec, 23 2019 @ 08:47 AM
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a reply to: Ahabstar

Disagree.

The left is like the corrupt farmer.
The right is like the corrupt animals.

Or vice versa, I forget which ones which.

The fact that you pick sides so clearly shows you may not have grasped the book completely either.



posted on Dec, 23 2019 @ 08:50 AM
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a reply to: Ahabstar

I don't know about Donald Trump. Snowball was the naive one who really did get into it with the best of intentions, really would have tried to run it with fairness and all that jazz in mind, really did grasp the true beauty of the system ... Snowball was the true idealist. He just never understood that it wasn't ever going to work and he was used.



posted on Dec, 23 2019 @ 08:52 AM
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a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar

The best books can be understood universally. If you see "My" side as the villain, but I see yours, then it's a good book because it's universal. Honestly, The Hunger Games accomplishes this too. I've seen loads of commentary from both "sides" about how the Capitol represents the other "side".

However, we know from Orwell himself that the story is about the dangers of collectivism - socialism/communism.




edit on 23-12-2019 by ketsuko because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 23 2019 @ 08:59 AM
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a reply to: Ahabstar


Ummm...it's been well over 40 years since I read Animal Farm...so I really can't comment on the characters and their character...

I'll have to read it again...it's been on my read it again radar...

Thanks for the reminder...







YouSir



posted on Dec, 23 2019 @ 09:00 AM
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I like it, I would try to find a place for Lindsey Graham, as he has played a big role as of late.
Lindsey may be a wild card though and not represented in Animal Farm.
Great idea of breaking down the characters to fit today's cast.
It would be worth noting, in my opinion, the "resistance" was created or activated in response to the "Trump Rebellion".
The "Trump Rebellion" defeated the Busch/Clinton/media strangle hold on the people and now the "resistance" is fighting back ostensibly for the people, but we all know they are attempting to hold onto whatever control they have left.
Trump is like a boa-constrictor slowly taking away the last breathes of the ruling class/media.
Let's see how the Trump version ends, there will be many books written about this chapter in American history.


originally posted by: Ahabstar
A short novella of about 80 pages divided into ten chapters. Everyone should read it; you can find a pdf online. It becomes rather noticeable those that either have not read it or not understood it rather quickly.

But the Mudpit is no place for a book review and is not my intention. The original identities of the animals are rather apparent in the book with Stalin as Napoleon and Trotsky as Snowball. My intention is to identify who would be the characters today using US politicians.

    Napoleon - As the leader into this depravation, flip flopping positions and loyalties. Hillary Clinton

    Snowball - The scapegoat for all that is wrong because he was with us until he was against us. Donald Trump

    Boxer - Still Labor, only this time the Labor Unions and the Blue Collar Workers. Or do you feel as though they have not be abandoned today?

    Squealer - Nancy Pelosi. Not as bright but still the mouthpiece and cheerleader

    Old Major - The Founding Fathers. Watch them dig up that old skull and display it every time they need to really justify something big.

    Clover - The Lifelong Democrat. The party left her long ago but she will still only vote for the D.

    Moses - Al Gore. While AGW is no Sugarcandy Mountain, the tales of horror from Climate Change has become a religion of sorts in its fervor.

    Mollie - Hollywood Left. Only a part of it so long as it doesn’t effect them.

    Benjamin - The Apathetic Voters. They can see what is going on but cant be bothered to stop it.

    Muriel - Single Issue Voter. Oh they come in all stripes and their support and angst are too predictable.

    Sheep - The Uniformed Voter, bleating out the catchphrase. Hope and Change, I’m With Her. Still shilling as their flock gets fleeced.

    Birds - MSM. Not news, it is just stenography.


Agree/Disagree?

edit on 23-12-2019 by fringeofthefringe because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 23 2019 @ 09:02 AM
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a reply to: ketsuko
I just don't think the message taken from Animal Farm should be "if only the right people were in charge".



posted on Dec, 23 2019 @ 09:10 AM
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a reply to: ketsuko

Snowball was Leon Trotsky as written. And even Orwell himself was a Democratic Socialist that more or less agreed with Marx and was sympathetic to Trotsky.

Snowball was the hardest to name. I picked Trump because he was a Democrat that actually changed parties and the Democrats use Trump as the boogeyman to the point that the sheep bleat out Orange Man Bad on a regular basis.



posted on Dec, 23 2019 @ 09:13 AM
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I found this old portrayal of Pelosi by the crafted actress Madame (consort wayland flowers)

a 13 second clip by a 1980s pop culture figure who Resembles our 2019 Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi


www.youtube.com...


breathtaking huh



posted on Dec, 23 2019 @ 09:22 AM
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a reply to: Ahabstar



“Man is the only creature that consumes without producing. He does not give milk, he does not lay eggs, he is too weak to pull the plough, he cannot run fast enough to catch rabbits. Yet he is lord of all the animals. He sets them to work, he gives back to them the bare minimum that will prevent them from starving, and the rest he keeps for himself.”

www.goodreads.com...

I have no idea how one could read that and ignore to ponder actual wealth inequality, which was the first thing that came to mind. How did you do that?



posted on Dec, 23 2019 @ 09:22 AM
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a reply to: Ahabstar

Excellent book


I disagree with your assessment though, there's a multi-national corporation what owns the entire farm and surrounding land, and everything, including the pigs, will do exactly as they say



posted on Dec, 23 2019 @ 09:23 AM
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originally posted by: Ahabstar
a reply to: ketsuko

I picked Trump because he was a Democrat that actually changed parties and the Democrats use Trump as the boogeyman to the point that the sheep bleat out Orange Man Bad on a regular basis.


Lindsey Graham changed "parties" as well, in a way.
Maybe Lindsey could be snowball, I still question his intentions.



posted on Dec, 23 2019 @ 09:26 AM
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a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar

I picked the one side as it represents a clearer danger of falling into the Animal Farm trap. Was not the Windmill so glorious as to lower the burdens of all the animals if they just sacrificed a bit to get it going? Three day work weeks, heat and light in every stall?

But if you really want to flip it for sake of flipping.

Old Major is Ronald Reagan.
Napoleon is Trump
Snowball is George W Bush
Boxer is Tea Party
Squealer is Lindsey Graham
Clover is The Party Line Voter
Moses is the Evangelical Block
Mollie is Sarah Palin
Benjamin is still the Apathetic Voters
Muriel is still Single Issue Voters
Sheep the Uninformed (Lock Her Up, Four More Years)
Birds are Rightwing Talk Radio
The Cat (which I forgot to include above) is still the Idle Rich that play along because they don’t have to fully commit.



posted on Dec, 23 2019 @ 09:34 AM
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a reply to: Ahabstar
Not for the sake of flipping. They're both the same side.

If I was to try your angle I would say snowballs JFK and everyone since has been one of Napoleon's kids.



posted on Dec, 23 2019 @ 09:34 AM
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a reply to: Ahabstar

Interesting. I must read that book. Ive met quite a few trump supporters who are the sheep.



posted on Dec, 23 2019 @ 09:35 AM
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a reply to: PublicOpinion

Because Farmer Jones was Tsar Nicholas. Man in Animal Farm was aristocracy governments. Mr Frederick was Hitler (the Non Aggression Pact was the forged bank notes) the battle at the second windmill was the Eastern front/Leningrad. Pinkerton was England (the checks were Neville Chamberlain‘s appeasements)



posted on Dec, 23 2019 @ 09:40 AM
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I respectfully disagree, I must point out that if not for Trump the 2016 presidential race would have been between :

Jeb Busch and Hillary Clinton....truly a contest for the sheep to vote on.

The Trump vote was clearly the rebellion, the sheep wanted Jeb Busch and Hillary Clinton.
That is how I see it.


originally posted by: blueman12
a reply to: Ahabstar

Interesting. I must read that book. Ive met quite a few trump supporters who are the sheep.

edit on 23-12-2019 by fringeofthefringe because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 23 2019 @ 09:51 AM
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But if you need extra insight, look no further than the impeachment. The defectors that voted against it are looked upon like the four pigs that supported Snowball. One could call Schiff the Napoleon of Impeachment. But don’t think for a second Hillary was out of the loop on it.

The 9 puppies are Deep State actors within the Intelligence Community (FBI, NSA, FISA, CIA, etc) as well as the IRS that went after Tea Party and Libertarian (Patriot) groups ahead of 2012.



posted on Dec, 23 2019 @ 10:00 AM
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a reply to: Ahabstar

So you focused on the past (and disconnected from the present) not to see the current oligarchy at play? Understood, thanks.

Art transcends time, don't you think? Wouldn't it be somewhat hilariously ignorant to reduce the meaning of our creations to the time in which they've been cooked up?

The next sign for the XR protests:
"Wheels are for Chariots!"

I need a new horse. And a chariot.




posted on Dec, 23 2019 @ 10:02 AM
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Muriel - Single Issue Voter. Oh they come in all stripes and their support and angst are too predictable.


This is me (though I have about three issues).

I don't think I plan on changing though. I've compromised on far too many things in life to "play the game". Often I find I can't even speak my mind without repercussion unless it's a place like this, which serves as a healthy outlet.

But I never want to sway on the issues I vote for. Maybe it's useless and a drop in the bucket as many say... But it's mine, even if only symbolically.

Great, after some introspection, I'm now depressed... lol, kidding, kind of.




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