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I used to be a Democrat.

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posted on Dec, 24 2019 @ 02:45 AM
a reply to: asabuvsobelow Voting either is the same there is no divide between the 2,they all socialize together,they are related,voting is a facade the victors are already picked,we are ruled by a king and are forced to pay him with taxes,voting makes us think we have a choice

posted on Dec, 24 2019 @ 07:03 AM
Well if we had brains and used ultra cheap medicines like honey (which beats nearly everything), we could eradicate 90% of the entire world's disease for less than 1% the cost.

It's not free healthcare but it sure is affordable.

Therefore this is a huge conspiracy to rob everyone and relegate them powerless politically by draining their wealth and health.

Too bad we all lack common sense.

posted on Dec, 24 2019 @ 07:09 AM
a reply to: underwerks

Read my post above, and *if* my claim is true (which it most certainly is and is backed by mountains of science) - than shouldn't we be pushing for sensible healthcare policies and to take profits away from greedy pharmaceutical corps?

As it is now, socialized medicine will only increase the desire to raise prices (cuz govt will pay higher fees to corporate buddies without complaint) while providing treatments that endanger you more than they help.

The real way to fix this is by utilizing safe effective medicines like honey to actually cure most diseases while saving 99%+ of our wealth.

posted on Dec, 24 2019 @ 07:10 AM
a reply to: asabuvsobelow

I know, and we do...

While living in germany face to face most people were very pleasant and made some good friends while there, BUT as soon as politics came up it was nothing but vitriol being thrown my way. Out of all the people I knew only 1 recognized his behavior and apologized for it, unfortunately he died of a massive heart attack.

I hope the military already does have bases out there like some conspiracy theories believe cause you are right we need to branch out, we need that something to give the planet hope for the future.

posted on Dec, 24 2019 @ 07:20 AM

originally posted by: AScrubWhoDied
a reply to: Hypntick

I dont know where you live, but with health insurance that cheap, it ain't texas.

I pay triple that per pay period and still got to meet a 5000 deductible.

I'm in Texas and for two people mine is less per pay period with a $3000 deductible. It is all in the negotiation with the markets and the size of the group being covered. Mine actually went down from last year.

posted on Dec, 24 2019 @ 07:36 AM
Oh yeah, and I get free healthcare. I got 3000 $ a yr in dental too (my new teeth are awesome).

Looks like it's already socialized in most states.

Yes they still make ppl with $$$ pay but I didn't spend a dime cuz I'm broke.

Looks like people are demanding something we already received...

It's like they're wrong on every aspect of this entire issue no matter how we look at it...

posted on Dec, 24 2019 @ 07:42 AM
Maybe it's middle and upper class yuppies that demand free health care so they can buy a new BMW??

I'm the American poor, I get complete free coverage (thru Colorado).

So what exactly is the problem?
I digress back to my pro-honey approach written a few posts above this.

posted on Dec, 24 2019 @ 08:09 AM
I started questioning my party line during Obama’s 2nd term. The monumental and historic aspects of his presidency were being overshadowed by a lack of accomplishments. I didn’t care what he was I cared what he did, which was continue the wars I didn’t want, force healthcare or additional taxes at a time in my life when I was a freelancer and simply couldn’t afford it the Iran deal etc, Obama was just so weak on foreign politics.

The democratic party’s actions following have just been deplorable in my view and trumps personality while ... challenging... he’s the most American person we could have in the White House today.

a reply to: asabuvsobelow

posted on Dec, 24 2019 @ 03:08 PM
a reply to: underwerks
“ free and affordable healthcare” ... interesting choice of words. I guess free is affordable. But I digress ... the ACA forced Americans to purchase insurance or get fined. Not so free right?

posted on Dec, 24 2019 @ 03:17 PM
a reply to: asabuvsobelow

I still am. But not one that's in the "groovy bunch" anymore.

I'm a slightly right of center Democrat. As you might well imagine, that's not the popular thing to be in the current version of the Democratic party.

But, as the saying goes, they left me, not me them.

posted on Dec, 24 2019 @ 03:37 PM

originally posted by: underwerks
Funny. Because what you consider far left is center right in the rest of the world. But, moving on..

So Socialism is center

No. We want free and affordable healthcare that works. No one anywhere is saying it’s going to copy the V.A. system. It’s disingenuous for you to compare the push for accessible healthcare to a system that’s been torn apart by the party you now call home.

What kind of system will it be then? Obamacare had a 10 year shelf life before it would implode, 30 trillion is what many of the candidates are suggesting while losing your coverage you like now. I repeat what system are you suggesting here?

posted on Dec, 24 2019 @ 03:48 PM
a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Not so free.

As I recall, it was 400 dollar fine, for me. So someone got free, just not me. Oh, poetry!!

posted on Dec, 24 2019 @ 08:59 PM

originally posted by: Stupidsecrets
Parties aside, I will never understand anyone who wants more money taken from them. Whether it be payroll tax, union dues..who in their right mind wants to give their earned income to complete strangers willingly.

I do not understand.


I would much rather live in a free republic where my income isn’t stolen from me. Where the only taxes I pay are one-time sales tax. So if my government is doing something I disagree with I have two options to deal with an unresponsive government.

1.Vote them out.
2.Stop buying, which means no taxes for them to squander.

No one has the right to steal from another. Nothing is free, someone worked for it,If you’re not working you shouldn’t get anything.

The issue at hand isn’t free healthcare. It’s dependence on government.

Liberals are all about big government being in our lives. What they don’t realize is, at least the bottom feeders is that doesn’t work for you, it works for those in power.

You give them your vote and they give you free stuff, they give you free stuff you keep voting for them. When you get free stuff you stop working, when you stop working you’re dependent on the free stuff, since you’re now dependent on the free stuff you keep voting on them. They get rich and powerful and you stay poor and dependent and right where they want you.

posted on Dec, 24 2019 @ 10:43 PM

originally posted by: underwerks

Funny. Because what you consider far left is center right in the rest of the world. But, moving on..

This should tell you how far left "underwerks" actually is. More in line with communism and it's policies...

originally posted by: underwerks
No. We want free and affordable healthcare that works. No one anywhere is saying it’s going to copy the V.A. system. It’s disingenuous for you to compare the push for accessible healthcare to a system that’s been torn apart by the party you now call home.

Yeah, and I want a free Andalusian horse, and I need it as "a support animal" otherwise I will get depressed and die from depression... So go ahead and open your wallet and sign a blank check, I will worry about the price...

originally posted by: underwerks
That you conflate helpful socialist policies with communism shows you have zero understanding of either. Yes, please take a look at the countries who have socialist healthcare systems. Whatever the negatives may be are a far cry from the broken system of American healthcare that is bankrupting people at an alarming rate and killing others.

That you claim that socialism is "center right" in the rest of the world just shows you are a communist. In communism you have a socialist economic model, and even socialist policies. The one main difference is that in socialism you are still able to vote for other parties, but once communism set in you can't anymore and all choices are completely taken from you. In socialism some choices are taken from you, in communism all choices are taken from you. This is why countries that truly have embraced socialism and have stayed socialist for long, as long as to allow communists taking over, have become communist regimes.

originally posted by: underwerks
Yeah right. And I used to be a giraffe. You couldn’t be any more transparent if you were a new windshield.

And a giraffe you continue to be, because a good judge of character, and figuring out what policies actually work is obvious you are not good at...

posted on Dec, 24 2019 @ 10:56 PM

originally posted by: XCrycek

On the rest of the western hemisphere

Yeah...and leftists like yourself actually think that Islamic countries are right-wing when they embrace their own version of "social justice", and embrace socialism but with a hard line take on religion.

Pretty much every Islamic country is a socialist country. Why do you think that hard line radical Muslims like Ilhan Omar, Talib, and Linda Sarsour, etc are "liberals/democrats"?... Ilhan Omar, Sarsour and their constituents have even called for female genital mutilation to be legal in the U.S. as well as making legal Sharia law in the U.S. You actually think they are left-wing because Islamic countries are all right-wing?...

Most Muslims all over the world are left-wing. There are some Muslims whom are right-wing, but they are few and between.

Under Sharia law no bank is allowed to collect interests in loans or credit cards, which is one of the policies of Sharia law that Sarsour uses to try to get more left-wingers/liberals to accept Sharia law.

Here, proof that Sarsour still uses the "you pay no interests in Sharia law" argument to try to win liberals/democrats to accept Sharia law.
Of course, she doesn't tell you that if you are not a Muslim under Sharia law you have to pay a high tithe/tax which compulses most regular people to have to become Muslim because most people cannot pay the taxes/tithes for not being Muslim under Sharia law.

If religion makes a person right-wing then Pelosi, and everyone in the democrat party whom are religious must be right-wing too huh?...

Socialism and Islam

Although generally considered to be of European origin, socialism (Arabic ishtirakiyyah ) also has roots in the Arab Middle East. Jamal al-Din al-Afghani believed that socialism was an indigenous Arab doctrine located in pre-Islamic Arabian Bedouin traditions. He claimed that the framers of the initial Islamic state in the seventh century adopted these traditions as a structural basis from which to organize and regulate society. Islamic reformists began articulating religiously based ideas of social justice in the 1930s and 1940s. They asserted Islam's universality and commitment to comprehensive human and economic justice, returning to the Quran for confirmation of Islam's spiritual and material compatibility with social progress. Islamic socialism took root in the Middle East and North Africa and was most successfully used as an ideology in Egypt, Syria, and Iraq. Reformists saw Islamic socialism as a cure for colonial control, economic backwardness, human exploitation, and moral bankruptcy. Spiritual and economic improvement were not possible until the lives of people could be improved and the decent treatment and justice stipulated by the Quran could be provided to them. Islamic socialism allows the public sector to exist side by side with the private sector, advocating harmonious relations between social groups, not class warfare. The basis of social solidarity in the Islamic socialist model is a combination of equality, justice, mutuality, and responsibility.

It is commonly known that even Syria is a socialist country, same as Iran, and so was Iraq under Saddam Hussein. But most people, whom were not born in those countries or don't know the history of those Islamic countries, don't know the history of Islam and socialism.

edit on 24-12-2019 by ElectricUniverse because: add and correct comment, and add link and excerpt.

posted on Dec, 25 2019 @ 12:26 AM
let me make a simple argument based with facts to anyone who thinks "Free healthcare" or any Free programs are actually a option in reality.

^click that link and then try and tell me we can afford to pay for socialism.

A guy outside a bar looked me dead in the eyes and said our country has plenty of money to pay for free government programs, I didnt say a word I simply showed him that link to our debt clock.

With a shocked and confused look he walked away with nothing based in fact he could reply with. As it is with most socialist ideals they are fantasy that sounds good coming out of your mouth , but when examined they are quickly destroyed.

posted on Dec, 25 2019 @ 06:56 AM
Ah yes, free healthcare in the rest of the civilized world. Just a little bit more in income tax and government covers the rest. Sounds much for petro and at how much per liter is taxed again? Cigarettes work out to be around $20 per pack, right? VAT is (value added tax) on everything including bellybutton lint? And the list goes on and on...

Seems all that “free” that is picked up by the “government” gets paid for somehow with taxes. Versus a lump sum that is very specified to insurance companies that use price negotiation for their clients. Kinda like paying a VIP fee to a nightclub that entitles you to two free drinks per visit in an exclusive section away from the crowd.

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