New Zealand. So much stupid.

a reply to: network dude

That’s quite an absurd reason really. Maybe gun owners should be storing their weapons better for starters..

Seems to be boiled down to “Don’t have nice stuff coz bad people will steal it”

originally posted by: Breakthestreak
a reply to: Lumenari

Yeah the stock is banned
The bullpup stock for pistols is also going to be banned

Semi auto .22 and shotguns are not banned. Even ‘military style’ ones (which will scare some people, because they are black, like Rambo’s one, so that means they’re designed to kill people). Limit is ten round magazine.
Lever action is not banned. Limit to factory magazine capacity only.
No change at all in any of their pistol laws

‘All military style semi automatic centre fire rifles are banned’ is pretty much the change

So the actual effect it will have on ANY future gun crime is absolutely zero. That cannot be argued.

SoOo...

Facepalm for New Zealand and it's just another example of how liberals don't understand material objects.

Or math, or economics, or humanity or anything really.

Thank you so much for the information because even though New Zealand doesn't actually count on the world stage, we have a member who thinks they do.

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: Lumenari

I don't really have an issue with an armed citizenry, at the same time I have no issue with there being restrictions on said weaponry.

So you think there should be a limit on how someone can protect themselves.

Fascinating.

SoOo....

When a woman is being raped, is there a "limit" on fighting back?

You know, some point where you say "Yea, she was being raped but her response was just cruel and over the top!!!"

Or...

When you are in a situation where you are fighting for your actual life you need to have the government say...

"I know you wanted to live, but your reaction was too extreme considering the circumstances."

Do you get the death penalty from your government for that?

At what point will you understand that self-protection is an unalienable right and no government can put limits on it?

It's a natural law.

I was thinking of the Bill or Rights, not New Zealand, of course.

They're just phucked.

As long as the NZPM keeps looking like this she'll get anything she wants, guns included, as well as another term.



Nothing like sticking the bottom lip out, put on the sad eyes and crocodile tears, look woefully at the camera.

Where are the 'warriors' to lead and not some sook.

My thoughts,

Bally

a reply to: bally001


Most that could of really helped are by now dead,imprisoned,disabled or in the nut house and the rest of us are yet to get a reason from Western civilization as to why we should bother,yes Ive done martial arts and all the rest of it but thats now for family and friends the rest of the world is on a suicide mission.

a reply to: [post=24833295]bally001[/post
That's not a put.on look,she is just that bad looking naturally. She is being given a hard time here at the moment for posing for magazine articles instead of getting into this countrys housing,homeless and a few other problems. She is a friend of Hillary too,she didn't publicize giving 12million to the outfit this year. She needs to be booted out of the gubmint.

Well as long as my little friend is legal I'm good..

So dont have Any propety at all. oh! you get rape't and they steal your organs! its your fault for having them.

a reply to: Lumenari

Holy hyperbole Batman.

Who said anything about not being allowed to protect themselves. You want to have a conversation great but please enough with the theatrics.

originally posted by: Chadwickus
a reply to: network dude

That’s quite an absurd reason really. Maybe gun owners should be storing their weapons better for starters..

Seems to be boiled down to “Don’t have nice stuff coz bad people will steal it”

Shoot thieves on sight- wouldn't take long for theft to stop entirely.
Keep a loaded shotgun over your bedroom door.
Pump action if you're squeamish- the sound of racking a shotgun is enough to make any criminal squirt poo into their pants.

originally posted by: network dude
www.foxnews.com...

The government banned the most lethal types of semi-automatic weapons

And remember, all this is because a guy who's single goal was to get New Zealand to ban firearms, killed some people and his reward was he got exactly what he wanted.

Is that true?

I was under the impression his ultimate "goal" was to take out as much Muslims as he possibly could... but I'm happy to be proven wrong there.

a reply to: Subaeruginosa

Read the manifest,I can't cause I am in NZ,not that it interests me anyway,or his actions. He didn't have to do what he did, especially here. The test went as expected for the govt ID say. We gave millions to the victims families,made exemptions for more family's,the PM can't even house citizens we have now. The killer actually used his Australian firearms license to by the guns he used... WTF???
If anyone is to blame it's the govt,not law abiding citizens who should hand in their arms.

originally posted by: Xtrozero
Well as long as my little friend is legal I'm good..

Haha, what is that good for?

a reply to: Lumenari

You know, post for me the list of mass shootings in Switzerland.

Game, set...and MATCH!

a reply to: network dude

Wouldn't guns that fire more rounds, at a faster rate, be more lethal?

And the Christchurch killer released a manifesto about trying to get Western countries to reduce immigration rates. Just another deranged white supremacist like so many other mass shooters. If he wanted guns banned and then does stuff that is the diametric opposite, it just shows that he is insane.

Hardly anyone living in New Zealand opposes the gun ban (and, really, we didn't have that large a percentage of the population armed in the first place). It hasn't reduced our freedoms or increased our rate of crime at all. In fact, although the ban came in to force this year, I imagine the amount of gun related crime and suicide has already begun to reduce, just like it did in Australia when they banned guns.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot
Single goal was to get new zealand to ban firearms?

Can you source that claim?

Link to source

New Zealand Killer’s Manifesto Says That He Did Attack To Get More Gun Control/Gun Bans In New Zealand And The US, Killer Was A Socialist, Environmentalist Who Hated Capitalists And Trade

Yes, but the site to which you linked is a straight-up pro-gun propagandist site. Every single link and article is entirely pro-gun and about guns, as if the only type of crime that exists is gun crime.

If you can't see through something as obvious as that...

originally posted by: Breakthestreak

originally posted by: Steveogold
a reply to: network dudei know a couple of guys me included who didn't hand in their firearms apparently the percentage who did is quit low

Sshhhhh

The amount of weak and gutless leftists in this site is quite high

Narking and doxxing and reporting people to the authorities for falsely-perceived grievances is par for the course. The very worst among them on this site lives in New Zealand, 100% chance he’ll report your post for investigation. It’s just what they do. Pussies.

As for “nothing will change if we don’t do something”
What a pathetic argument. Nothing was happening. Nothing needed to be changed.

Oh ONE person attacked a group of people ONE time. ONCE.

I wonder what laws the weak and gutless are seeking to change to combat ‘other’ types of crimes? ‘Other’ types where the ONLY motivation is a religious text.
Will the religion be banned? Will the text be banned?

No of course not

These people do not care one single bit about the lives of others, the safety of others or anything else they ‘claim’ to care about.

They DO care, however, that the media has told them that ‘guns are bad’ and that’s the absolute limit of their understanding

Ban all cars to stop drunk drivers from killing people. 100% that is exactly the same as removing harmless firearms from the most law-abiding group of people in the country. It will not stop one single gun crime from being committed.
When a criminal commits a crime it’s the fault of the patriarchy or white colonialism or some other totally fabricated reason like that.
Unless he uses a gun. Then it’s the fault of ALL people who like to hunt and shoot for sport.

The firearms confiscation in NZ was a total failure. An extremely tiny amount of firearms were handed in. Less than a third of projected numbers.

I wonder why?

And the attitude of the weak and the gutless towards those who refused? “Arrest them, make examples of them, THEY are the ones at fault here”

Really weak people need a weapon to feel safe. If you knew how many of these 'weak' leftists have helped you in your life, you would go crazy.

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar

I"m not even saying that their removal of whatever weapons they want isn't ultimately a good thing for their country. For them, it may be a majority thing. All countries aren't the USA. But making monumental decisions like this, usually require some thought and discussion, and planning, none of which should be done in haste due to recent horrible events. Judgement isn't clear during an event like that. And it's always easier to get the toothpaste out. Putting it back in, not so much.

You make their case for them above. It is exactly because New Zealand isn't the USA that this may work for them. Like us in blighty, they are an island nation. Unlike us, they are also remote. Those things together mean enforcement of this policy is much easier to maintain.

Good on them, i say. New Zealand is not a country with much, if any, need for guns beyond military and law enforcement. Not even needed for hunting there.

originally posted by: Flavian

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar

I"m not even saying that their removal of whatever weapons they want isn't ultimately a good thing for their country. For them, it may be a majority thing. All countries aren't the USA. But making monumental decisions like this, usually require some thought and discussion, and planning, none of which should be done in haste due to recent horrible events. Judgement isn't clear during an event like that. And it's always easier to get the toothpaste out. Putting it back in, not so much.

My argument isn't that they made this choice, it's how the made it. Under duress. And then the idiotic reasoning in the article had to get a nod.

You make their case for them above. It is exactly because New Zealand isn't the USA that this may work for them. Like us in blighty, they are an island nation. Unlike us, they are also remote. Those things together mean enforcement of this policy is much easier to maintain.

Good on them, i say. New Zealand is not a country with much, if any, need for guns beyond military and law enforcement. Not even needed for hunting there.

originally posted by: oloufo

Really weak people need a weapon to feel safe. If you knew how many of these 'weak' leftists have helped you in your life, you would go crazy.

really stupid people are afraid of owning a gun because they aren't mentally capable of operating it without shooting themselves. And yes, I'm painfully aware of how many of those people I encounter. (generalizations are easy, I like it)