Adam Schiff now looking to impeach Vice President Pence

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: UKTruth

Yep, all those witnesses that testified were partisans. Somehow, the acting ambassador got the impression that the aide was linked to a political investigation since there are texts from him saying how crazy he thought thought the idea was. And he wasn't the only one who got the idea.

Yes, they vast majority were Partisans. Again you talk about "impressions" and "ideas". That is not evidence.
If you have some evidence then show it.

Heck, there was even rough drafts of the announcement the ukraine pres was supposed to use. Which rudy said wasn't good enough without actually mentioning crowdstrike and the bidens. There was even a interview scheduled for this announcement.
Trump told them all to talk to rudy. Sondland came in and told them the pres put him in charge. Rudy admitted in an interview that he had the first ambassador removed because she was in his way. Trump said on national tv he wanted ukraine to investigate the bidens and suggested china investigate them also and I think he threw Warren in that one. His chief of staff said on national tv that they do this all the time and we should just get used to it. And considering puerto rico is still waiting for a chunk of their aide from the hurricane, I kind of wonder what they are being asked to do to get that.

An ambassador can be removed if they are in the way of Trump's foreign policy. That is his right. You made a claim that the removal of the ambassador was covering up an ilegal act. Where is the proof of that?
Puerto Rico? Your wonder???
So impressions, ideas and wonder... glad we're getting to the actual truth of your argument.
So a party has impeached a President on a purely partisan vote because of impressions, ideas and wonder. Not evidence.
That's about right

By the way, the President is entirely at Liberty to have his outside counsel work with the his administration.

And, by the way, the replacement ambassador to ukraine is being recalled... my guess is he is in the way also.

Ah, you've added guess.

So, ideas, impressions, guesses and wonder.
Yep, that's it alright.

Perhaps you should read the reasons WHY the Framers were debated the language of impeachment and why they were so concerned about one party using a majority to abuse the impeachment process.

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: dawnstar

People like you DON'T CARE ABOUT THE LAW, OR THE U.S. CONSTITUTION...
You don't care that innocent people have been ruined because you are too blind to admit the facts that are right in front of your face.

No, it's not blindness at all.
These people can see the corruption of their own party but they do everything they can to justify it because it serves a political end.
Worse, they try to argue, with zero substance, that THEY are the ones protecting the Constitution and claim repeatedly that they are on the side of law on justice. It's the lying to themselves that I find to be the most disgusting behaviour.

I actually don't mind people who are open and admit their 'win at all costs and be damned with being right' attitude. Whilst those kind of people/ activists are dangerous, at least moderate people can hear their points of view and make their own informed judgements about whether to accept or reject that position.

Not so for the people who sleazily wrap themselves in the law and the Constitution, warp it, and use it as a comfort blanket to distance themselves from the lies they are telling. Those people are the real problem. Truly disgusting individuals.

The Senate would NEVER impeach Pence, they would be handing the presidency to the Democrats with that move and in the process destroy their own party.

a reply to: Agit8dChop

What is POTUS waiting on? Hell never be stronger or have more armed Americans behind him than he does now.

End this already sir! Real Americans and citizens of the intelligent parties of other nations stand ready to stamp out socialism from the face of the planet and our soon-to-be great nation.

originally posted by: MonkeyFishFrog
Well Pence was implicated in knowing and helping coordinate with Ukraine over the sham Biden investigation. He's being more invisible than usual.

There's plenty of evidence on Biden and the Ukraine, even the Obama SD had talking points for the ambassador. But I'm guessing you think there's enough evidence to impeach Trump.

a reply to: Agit8dChop

Dems are crazy, people are not that stupid they are just pissing off the masses even more.

a reply to: UKTruth

I can guess, wonder, theorize, feel all I want. I am really not in any position to influence the wheels of justice in this.... neither are you, with your own guesses, wonder, and conspiracy theories.

a reply to: JBurns

The Soviet union collapsed and socialism transformed into an oligarchy with putin holding practically dictatorial power. Just a suggestion here...
Be sure you know what you are fighting for before you load your guns and aim it at your fellow countrymen?

Remember if the liberals can take out Trump and Pence then Nancy will become our first female President by default.

NANCY 2019!!!!!

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: JBurns

The Soviet union collapsed and socialism transformed into an oligarchy with putin holding practically dictatorial power. Just a suggestion here...
Be sure you know what you are fighting for before you load your guns and aim it at your fellow countrymen?

The goings on in Virginia might be your better guide to one party rule and its bent for unconstitutional abuse of power as rubber stamp to tyrannical dictatorship like actions.

I perceive in tread after thread a concerted tendency to have "the ends justify the means" with bending the words and meanings of our founders and constitution to suit whatever partisan flavor of the moment exists to achieve that which was lost in 2016 election.

Cloak the latest antics by democrat operatives on behalf the deep-state in whatever rosy terms you may - it still is and was nothing more than a coup in progress.

Those that fail, history shows, will pay a high price for participation.

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: UKTruth

I can guess, wonder, theorize, feel all I want. I am really not in any position to influence the wheels of justice in this.... neither are you, with your own guesses, wonder, and conspiracy theories.

Actually I don't need to guess or wonder. I have the Constitution and the law to review and match to what the articles of impeachment provide in terms of evidence. So I am on solid ground when I say that Democratic members of Congress have abused their office and oath to defend the Constitution.

You see, guesses, wonder, assumptions, and theories by a Partisan group within Congress are not grounds for impeachment and the Framers specifically warned against what they have done.

You are free to provide actual evidence if you have it. So far you've not done so, and neither did the partisan Democrat members of Congress

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: JBurns

The Soviet union collapsed and socialism transformed into an oligarchy with putin holding practically dictatorial power. Just a suggestion here...
Be sure you know what you are fighting for before you load your guns and aim it at your fellow countrymen?

The Soviet Union collapsed because the leaders they were leftist thugs. The country has never recovered from the Bolsheviks.
So yes, it's very important to protect against radical leftists, because if they seize power in the USA, 100 years from now, you'll still be recovering from the mess.
The enemy to any free society is clear - communism dressed up socialsim - i.e. the Democrat party.

a reply to: Phoenix

Gee. I live in va, not sure I see any tyranny thus far. Seems basically the same as when we moved here. Of course I live in the mountain area, and theres communities around me that really arent that liberal. Matter of fact, the most tyrannical thing I have heard was when one of these small communities beat the heck out of an outsider, because of the color of his skin.
My biggest gripe about the guns I often hear being fired is that if they shoot the danged bear, they make sure they bring the poor thing down!
So, where is the tyranny, pray tell... and please try to avoid the false hyperbolic accusations that are only found on prolife sites and infowars type outlets.

a reply to: UKTruth

Okay, you told me what you are fighting against. I think you have made a few errors in your history lesson, but it's not worth going into..
So, tell me, what would yous be fighting for? what is the vision, your solutions to the many problems we have?

originally posted by: gallop

originally posted by: ganjoa

originally posted by: gallop

originally posted by: dawnstar
I really think trump is guilty.

Of What?

????

No-soy / non-cuck / Hyper-cajone-ism ?

The evil swine.. I bet he snickers bars with knife and fork too.

Maybe even - heaven forbid - pizza with a knife & fork

originally posted by: visitedbythem
Maybe Schiff doesn't understand what the penalty for treason is.

Its time to make use of it

Death by firing squad. isn't it?

A public paper view hanging would be epic

Rotten tomatoes the lot

I’d pay 💰 to watch it

a reply to: Agit8dChop

Honestly, what kind of coup would it be if they leave Pence to be president?

So, I think what they are after is "triggering" President Trump to Execute the office of President Take Care Act- his obligation to uphold rule of law; and proclaim "aha, there's your abuse of power!"

Otherwise, I think maybe a different course of action by now?

187 federal appointments?

That's upholding the rule of law in my book.

originally posted by: TritonTaranis

originally posted by: visitedbythem
Maybe Schiff doesn't understand what the penalty for treason is.

Its time to make use of it

Death by firing squad. isn't it?

A public paper view hanging would be epic

Rotten tomatoes the lot

I’d pay 💰 to watch it

Id settle for a public flogging and 40 years at Guantanamo

a reply to: dawnstar

Infowars and prolife sites are not my thing, As far as Virginia, wait a month and lets see. Right now your Governor and legislature sure seems hellbent on violating both Virginias and US Constution via fiat laws.

Basically I stand in abject disbelief that any sane adult can call any of the proceedings by this congress fair, legal or moral. You people are pushing this country to point where ballot box is not the solution - I will not forgive that for my and my childrens sake.

There are consequences to coups and those appearing to support them.