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Adam Schiff now looking to impeach Vice President Pence

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posted on Dec, 20 2019 @ 01:23 PM
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originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: PurpleFox
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck
Yes, I would give my life to uphold the Constitution and way of life in America. We are seeing today everything that we here at ATS have spoken about for years. If these elected officials continue down this path, there is only PAIN coming for them.

What would you do MR Canada, if your way of life was under attack? Sit and take it im sure.
Well, for starters, I wouldn't broadcast my intentions all over the internet...LOL!


We all know you would be crying from the hilltops and waiting for us to volunteer our children to fight your battles.




posted on Dec, 20 2019 @ 01:49 PM
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a reply to: UKTruth

While the president has the power to remove an ambassador from their post. To do so because she is in the way of the presidents minions so that can compromise our foreign policy or any other illegal purpose is an abuse of that power.
While it's in the presidents power to hold aide money because he feels its not being used properly, it's an abuse of power to do so in an attempt to coerce a govt to get the to participate in an illegal activity. And to solicit or offer aide to a candidate in out elections from a foreign actor is illegal I do believe.
Read the articles of impeachment, there are a few crimes falling under the category of abuse of power. And, the house believes that there is enough evidence to open an impeachment and send it to the senate for trial. That is the responsibility that the constitution bestows upon the house.. weather or not you or me see it as being sufficient evidence of an impeachable offense is irrelevant. Enough of the house did, or at least claim that they have. And, there is no way anyone can prove otherwise. They fulfilled their constitutional duties and it is now time for the senate to fulfill theirs.
You might disagree with it, you might not like it, but it is a legal impeachment.



posted on Dec, 20 2019 @ 01:54 PM
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a reply to: Agit8dChop

I know what's going on now, crazy Pelosi wants to be president. Doesn't take a genius to figure that out.



posted on Dec, 20 2019 @ 02:00 PM
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originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: UKTruth

While the president has the power to remove an ambassador from their post. To do so because she is in the way of the presidents minions so that can compromise our foreign policy or any other illegal purpose is an abuse of that power.

The ambassador served at the President's pleasure. Period.
Accusations with no evidence of a crime related to that removal does not make your flawed argument any stronger.



While it's in the presidents power to hold aide money because he feels its not being used properly, it's an abuse of power to do so in an attempt to coerce a govt to get the to participate in an illegal activity. And to solicit or offer aide to a candidate in out elections from a foreign actor is illegal I do believe.

Again - accusations with no evidence.
The elections had nothing to do with the request to the Ukraine.
Your feeling that it did is irrelevant. You have no evidence.
The President is not just at liberty to seek foreign help in investigating corruption - it is actually his duty.



Read the articles of impeachment, there are a few crimes falling under the category of abuse of power. And, the house believes that there is enough evidence to open an impeachment and send it to the senate for trial. That is the responsibility that the constitution bestows upon the house.. weather or not you or me see it as being sufficient evidence of an impeachable offense is irrelevant. Enough of the house did, or at least claim that they have. And, there is no way anyone can prove otherwise. They fulfilled their constitutional duties and it is now time for the senate to fulfill theirs.

I prefer to read the Constituion and the notes and records of the Framers.
I put little value in the ACCUSATIONS of a House abusing its power.



You might disagree with it, you might not like it, but it is a legal impeachment.



Terms like "abuse of power" are not mentioned in the constitution, nor is it even a crime. Moreover, accusations of such a broad term that carry no evidence are simply whistling i the wind.

The House abused it's power by impeaching a President with no evidence and citing a reason that is not supported by the Constitution.
As for the obstruction charge, clearly that is nonsense.

Like I said - you have a right to side with the abusers, but you'll have to wear it.
Even Democrats understand they have no case, which is why they want more investigation and are refusing to even transmit their shoddy impeachment to the Senate.

edit on 20/12/2019 by UKTruth because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 20 2019 @ 02:37 PM
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a reply to: UKTruth

But there is actual crimes mentioned in the explanation of abuse of power. And, there was evidence, you just dont believe it was adequate. And, by the way, there is video of republicans claiming there wasn't a need for a crime. Of course, that was when it was a dem pres facing the impeachment.
But, just like no one could prove that any business owner like hobby lobby was so religious they just couldn't provide insurance that covered birth control... you cant prove what was in the hearts and minds of the house members when they voted. You have less proof that they had ulterior motives than there is that trump and company were off playing (and still are) in the ukraine to gain an advantage in the upcoming election...
It is a legal impeachment.



posted on Dec, 20 2019 @ 02:54 PM
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originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: UKTruth

But there is actual crimes mentioned in the explanation of abuse of power. And, there was evidence, you just dont believe it was adequate. And, by the way, there is video of republicans claiming there wasn't a need for a crime. Of course, that was when it was a dem pres facing the impeachment.


There is nothing adequate. They are accusations that are based on peoples OPINIONS of what the President's intent was. That is not evidence. That is precisely why the House has abused it's power by impeaching and also why they want more witnesses. They know they have no case. As for the Clinton impeachment, you've highlighted the partisan nature of your thinking. Oh they did it so we have to do it to them.



But, just like no one could prove that any business owner like hobby lobby was so religious they just couldn't provide insurance that covered birth control... you cant prove what was in the hearts and minds of the house members when they voted. You have less proof that they had ulterior motives than there is that trump and company were off playing (and still are) in the ukraine to gain an advantage in the upcoming election...



NOBODY cares what the House Democrats were thinking. They are not being put on trial. If they were all charged with some new found crime of 'abuse of power' and were facing being thrown out of office THEN we'd need proof of their motives.
We HAVE to care about evidence of what Trump was thinking because it's HIM on trial.
Do you understand anything about justice????




It is a legal impeachment.


Whatever makes you feel better about cheering abuse of Congressional power and shredding the Constitution.

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posted on Dec, 20 2019 @ 04:01 PM
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a reply to: UKTruth

yeah the only way he(pence) gets to just pick his new vp is if he is running in 2020 then he can pick otherwsie it has to be "appointed by senate and house" edit to add i guess trump could pick a new VP if he wanted as hes running in 2020 could be a funny move if he temp asks bannon to be the new pence for 2020 as then the dems may think twice about wanting to impeach him when he wins again in 2020
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posted on Dec, 20 2019 @ 04:44 PM
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a reply to: dawnstar

You certainly have a lot of opinionated rhetoric going on, how about some cold hard facts to go with all your assumptions?



posted on Dec, 20 2019 @ 05:27 PM
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originally posted by: mtnshredder
a reply to: dawnstar

You certainly have a lot of opinionated rhetoric going on, how about some cold hard facts to go with all your assumptions?


She doesn't have any. We know that because the articles of impeachment don't have any. It's all accusation and opinion from partisans. They have motive to think teh worst, but they crossed the line when they impeached on their accusations alone.

Of course, if she does have evidence that the President was attempting to use a foreign power to influence an election instead of carrying out his constitutional duty to investigate corruption, or evidence he was committing a crime by removing an ambassador, or some insight about why challenging a subpeona in court is somehow illegal, then I am sure she'll provide it... maybe she could give it to the House, because they need something...anything.
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posted on Dec, 20 2019 @ 05:42 PM
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originally posted by: MonkeyFishFrog
Well Pence was implicated in knowing and helping coordinate with Ukraine over the sham Biden investigation. He's being more invisible than usual.


Sham Biden investigation?... roflmao... Biden admitted to using bribery to get the prosecutor fired whom was to investigate his son's involvement in the corrupt Burisma Holdings, and in Biden's own words he did withhold over a billion U.S. dollars unless the Ukrainians fired that prosecutor... But instead people like you shifted the blame to President Trump, whom did not commit any crimes...

People like you are incapable of understanding wrong from right... It is obvious you are incapable of allowing a POTUS and VP to be in power that don't hold your beliefs... Same thing for your "socialist leaders".

But you go ahead with this attempted coup, but don't cry like a little girl when we respond in kind to your bullying.





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posted on Dec, 20 2019 @ 05:47 PM
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a reply to: dawnstar

BS... It seems many people in the left are incapable of understanding right from wrong, and biased opinions vs cold hard facts...

You forget that your socialist/democrat witnesses ALL had to admit there is no evidence that President Trump committed any crimes...

Marie Yovanovich, whom was made U.S. ambassador to Ukraine by Obama, admitted there is no evidence that President Trump committed ANY crime.



Yovanovich even admitted that the POTUS has the right to ask his ambassadors to change policy in any country, which Schiff, Pelosi et al claim is a crime but it isn't...

Rep. Elise Stefanik also asked the "DEMOCRAT witnesses" if any of them had seen or had ANY evidence of ANY crime by President Trump, to which all replied a conclusive NO.






posted on Dec, 20 2019 @ 05:49 PM
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a reply to: JohnnyCanuck




You know there's a history of people who call for revolution...and head back to the basement, eh?

Name one



posted on Dec, 20 2019 @ 05:54 PM
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originally posted by: liliththedestroyer
a reply to: Agit8dChop

I know what's going on now, crazy Pelosi wants to be president. Doesn't take a genius to figure that out.



The socialists/democrats have shown themselves to be bullies and dictators. They simply can't have a POTUS and VP whom are not globalists, and are not part of the establishment. They keep going with this coup and the right will take up arms against their attempt at implementing a socialist dictatorship in the U.S. No wonder socialists/democrats want to disarm the people...







edit on 20-12-2019 by ElectricUniverse because: add comment.



posted on Dec, 20 2019 @ 06:08 PM
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a reply to: UKTruth

Yep, all those witnesses that testified were partisans. Somehow, the acting ambassador got the impression that the aide was linked to a political investigation since there are texts from him saying how crazy he thought thought the idea was. And he wasn't the only one who got the idea.
Heck, there was even rough drafts of the announcement the ukraine pres was supposed to use. Which rudy said wasn't good enough without actually mentioning crowdstrike and the bidens. There was even a interview scheduled for this announcement.
Trump told them all to talk to rudy. Sondland came in and told them the pres put him in charge. Rudy admitted in an interview that he had the first ambassador removed because she was in his way. Trump said on national tv he wanted ukraine to investigate the bidens and suggested china investigate them also and I think he threw Warren in that one. His chief of staff said on national tv that they do this all the time and we should just get used to it. And considering puerto rico is still waiting for a chunk of their aide from the hurricane, I kind of wonder what they are being asked to do to get that.

And, by the way, the replacement ambassador to ukraine is being recalled... my guess is he is in the way also.



posted on Dec, 20 2019 @ 08:13 PM
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a reply to: dawnstar

Are you completely insane? That's a serious question...

Joe Biden DID BREAK THE LAW, he used bribery withholding tax payer money unless the former Ukrainian administration fired the prosecutor whom was going to investigate Hunter Biden's involvement in the corrupt Burisma Holdings. That's a FACT.

Biden did use "quid pro quo". President Trump DIDN'T use quid pro quo... He asked for a favor, which all POTUS have done. Not to mention that AGAIN the Ukrainian authorities were the ones whom first told the Trump administration that they have evidence that Joe Biden did commit a crime, and that the Obama administration was also involved in that crime and others. Including using the former Ukrainian administration to rig the U.S. elections in favor of Hillary Clinton in 2016...

The former, and present Presidents of Ukraine both stated President Trump didn't use pressure, didn't force them, didn't bribe them, and didn't do or say anything that would be considered illegal...

It is within the power of the POTUS to ask other countries if former, or present politicians/government agents are involved in corruption in those countries...

For crying out loud, the Obama administration did use RUSSIAN LIES/PROPAGANDA to investigate their political opponents and candidate Trump. The Obama administration, the FBI under Comey/McCabe, and neither the DNC had, or have ANY evidence of wrongdoing by Trump or his campaign people. NONE WHATSOEVER... Yet those LIES and RUSSIAN PROPAGANDA were used to spy on Presidential candidate Trump,, and his campaign advisors to try to put dirt on Trump...

Do you understand the difference between USING LIES to spy on a political opponent and his people, and asking another country to investigate what they say were crimes committed by Biden,, the Obama admin and the DNC?..

In contrast President Trump was told that there is evidence Joe Biden, the Obama administration, and the DNC did commit crimes and at least the Bidens did make themselves rich using the former corrupt Ukrainian government, as well as China.

Your moronic leaders had to use a crime that Manafort committed in 2005 to go after him and try to pin that crime on Trump as well, even when Rosestein back then (2005) stated the state was not going to prosecute Manafort... Not to mention the fact that EVERY democrat, or collaborators in the coup against Presidential candidate Trump and then President Trump, that committed the same crimes as Manafort were given immunity, meanwhile they kept on trying to pin more and more crimes against Manafort to see if he would turn against Trump...

Gen. Flynn, among many other innocent people, was accused of lying because he couldn't remember details that happened months, or years ago... To you it doesn't even matter that the FBI LIED to Gen. Flynn when they said he didn't need a lawyer and he wasn't being investigated... The crime was committed by the FBI under orders of Comey and MCCabe. More so when we now have evidence that FBI officials even omitted evidence that would exonerate Gen. Flynn and other former Trump campaign advisors...

People like you DON'T CARE ABOUT THE LAW, OR THE U.S. CONSTITUTION...
You don't care that innocent people have been ruined because you are too blind to admit the facts that are right in front of your face.
People like you don't care that your party keeps on trying to criminalize political differences from your own.

Even when you have been shown the POTUS has a right to change foreign policy, you keep on regurgitating LIES that this is a crime... Among the other LIES and RUSSIAN PROPAGANDA you keep on regurgitating...



edit on 20-12-2019 by ElectricUniverse because: add and correct comment.



posted on Dec, 20 2019 @ 08:50 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Here, I think you probably need this more than I do.





posted on Dec, 20 2019 @ 11:41 PM
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originally posted by: rickymouse
The Democrats think the American people are stupid enough to believe their crap and believe they can bully everyone into submission. Not the Democratic party I used to be a part of, I am now going to vote Republican across the board because of the corruption in the Democratic party.

The Democrats are destroying their party, I do not even have to curse them, someone or something already has.


Sadly, about half the American people are stupid enough to believe that crap...But many are wising up...

Problem is, the Democraps are handing out driver's licenses to illegals like they're passing out candy on Halloween...And along with those licenses I believe are voter registrations...

We're going to be hard pressed to come up with enough votes to overcome the corruption...



posted on Dec, 21 2019 @ 12:30 AM
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originally posted by: ganjoa

originally posted by: gallop

originally posted by: dawnstar
I really think trump is guilty.


Of What?

????


No-soy / non-cuck / Hyper-cajone-ism ?


The evil swine.. I bet he snickers bars with knife and fork too.


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posted on Dec, 21 2019 @ 02:23 AM
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originally posted by: Sillyolme


Pence is a lifelong politician or public servant. "Impeach" is probably a frightening word to him.
a reply to: carewemust

And trump is an egomaniac and this is killing him no matter what he pretends in front of a camera.
He cried over and over about how ugly the word is.
He has been impeached.
He is very very upset by it.


He cried?

Show that video.. please..



posted on Dec, 21 2019 @ 02:28 AM
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originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Guiltyguitarist

Nah.
Impeachment is good enough.

No one needs to die.


Fake impeachment doesnt mean his not still your president.

And give the facts you continually eiterate, he will still be YOUR president.

Face it sweetheart, your liberal views will not mean a thing in the end/

Now go cast a spell...



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