Trump Isn’t Impeached Until the House Tells the Senate

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Liquesence
a reply to: DBCowboy

Yes, he will always be an impeached president. Forever.

But when you use words like "coup," that is why I do not take you seriously, if you truly believe it.

It is a coup, they're just using impeachment as an excuse.

Impeachment is Constitutional. A coup is unlawful and usually violent.

But you knew that.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: chr0naut

Yes, Article 1, Section 3

US Constitution

Clause 6. The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation.

Article 1 section 2 Clause 5: The House of Representatives shall choose their Speaker and other Officers; and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment. Congress has exercised their sole power of impeachment. They have impeached the President.

Article 1 Section 3 Clause 6: The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present. The Senate must try the Impeachment. The trial is presided over, not by the Speaker, but by the Chief Justice.

Article 1 Section 3 Clause 7: Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law. The Senate can only remove from office, or not. After judgement, the President is no longer immune from civil law.

Article 2, Section 4: The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors. The mandate of the Senate in regard to impeachment is that if they must remove the President from office if he is impeached and convicted. The president has now been impeached. If he committed the acts described in the articles of impeachment, he must be convicted.

a reply to: Liquesence

Again....you must not understand who Noah Feldman is....the guy that wrote this article.

He was literally one of the Democrats Impeachment witnesses during their hearings....

You actually think you somehow know the law better than him?

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Liquesence
a reply to: DBCowboy

Yes, he will always be an impeached president. Forever.

But when you use words like "coup," that is why I do not take you seriously, if you truly believe it.

It is a coup, they're just using impeachment as an excuse.

Impeachment is Constitutional. A coup is unlawful and usually violent.

But you knew that.

The democrats are using a legal tool to do something illegal.

Like owning a firearm is legal.

Using it to rob a liquor store is not.

a reply to: proximo

You think anyone really cares?

Many do.

Everybody knows it’s fake charges.

Saying it doesn't make it true.

Washington Times: Trump impeachment: Undisputed evidence that he abused his power

a reply to: chr0naut

So now you agree that Pelosi has no say in how the Senate conducts the trial.

Good!

originally posted by: Liquesence
a reply to: proximo

You think anyone really cares?

Many do.

Everybody knows it’s fake charges.

Saying it doesn't make it true.

Washington Times: Trump impeachment: Undisputed evidence that he abused his power

...and posting opinion pieces by Anti Trumper Napolitano doesn't make it any more true either, lol, are you even trying tonight???

Course I know, you did a quick Google search, picked the third article and hoped the context would jive lol

a reply to: DBCowboy

The president will be either proven guilty or innocent.

William Jefferson Clinton was impeached in The House and acquitted in the Senate. Was he proven innocent?

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: TheRedneck

That's like saying an indicted person hasn't been indicted because they haven't stood trial yet.

Until delivered to the senate it is not official.
Too bad
So sad

a reply to: DBCowboy

What if Mitch sets up the Senate to exactly the way Pelosi wants and then opens to amendments when the Articles are presented?

originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: TheRedneck

That's like saying an indicted person hasn't been indicted because they haven't stood trial yet.

Until delivered to the senate it is not official.
Too bad
So sad

Proof? Law? Constitution?

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Only took two hours to march the Articles down the hall from t(e House to the Senate as well.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: DBCowboy

The president will be either proven guilty or innocent.

William Jefferson Clinton was impeached in The House and acquitted in the Senate. Was he proven innocent?

...because Oral Sex isn't a reason for removal, yes he lied about it, but it wasn't enough to remove him, so acquit they did.

This is exactly what crazy Pelosi is waiting for him to proclaim!

originally posted by: Ahabstar
a reply to: DBCowboy

What if Mitch sets up the Senate to exactly the way Pelosi wants and then opens to amendments when the Articles are presented?

If Mitch set it up the way Pelosi wanted, Trump would have to prove his innocence.

Which made me throw up a little bit in my mouth because you are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty.

a reply to: Arnie123

That wasn’t an acquittal so much as looking at Hillary and saying they understood.

Fun fact: That is recycled joke I told back then.

a reply to: shooterbrody

Until delivered to the senate it is not official.

Trump has been impeached in The House, that officially has the sole power to impeach. The Senate has the sole power to convict and remove from office.

Like I said, what you're saying is like saying that an indicted person isn't indicted until they've stood trial. Trump has been indicted/impeached. He has not yet been convicted in the Senate.

Again, William Jefferson Clinton was impeached in The House and acquitted in the Senate. He still wears the stain of impeachment.

I am wondering if this very thing is what Graham is arguing about. He keeps saying that it is a dangerous Constitutional issue if they don't send the articles over.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: chr0naut

So now you agree that Pelosi has no say in how the Senate conducts the trial.

Good!

I never said otherwise.

The Constitution and law defines how the impeachment trial proceeds. The Chief Justice ensures the law is upheld (much as a judge does in a civil trial) and the Senate stands in place of the jury.

The articles of impeachment are the indictments.

The Senate must decide if Trump did the things in the articles of impeachment. They cannot look at other cases or other issues or other people. It all comes down to the question of "did Trump do these things?". If he did just one of them, then he is guilty and must be removed from office.

None of the impeachment process is fake or sham, and it never has been. It is quite serious.