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Trump Isn’t Impeached Until the House Tells the Senate

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posted on Dec, 21 2019 @ 04:54 PM
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a reply to: dawnstar

Not hard to not react twice.




posted on Dec, 21 2019 @ 05:01 PM
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originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: dawnstar

want to hear something funny? The SUpreme court can nullify the impeachment if they find it unconstitutional or without merit due to no real evidence of a crime.


No they cant what they can do is overturn an indictment from the senate if they found the trial itself unconstitutional. Since they are unlikely to indict the supreme court won't bother to look at it.



posted on Dec, 21 2019 @ 05:30 PM
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a reply to: dawnstar


Who gets equal representation during and investigation and grand jury hearing?

Little green men from Alpha Centauri.

You are doing it again, the same thing I have come to expect of you... making absolutely asinine suggestions trying to find some semantic nonsense to try and confuse others. Sorry, not buying it this time. If you want to play games, you can play solo.

Get back in reality and we can continue.

TheRedneck



posted on Dec, 21 2019 @ 05:48 PM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha

OK, tell you what... you keep trying to convince yourself that it is perfectly OK for a citizen to be found guilty of a crime without ever having the ability to call witnesses or speak in his defense. If you are ever indicted for any sort of crime, just go ahead and march into the cell and get comfortable, because in that legal system you don't have any rights.

That is what you're trying to promote. And you wonder why people don't take you seriously?

I started to suggest you take some time and actually watch the trial, but then I realized it wouldn't do any good. You'd just make up more malarky to try and explain it away. So instead I'll just say: you are so wrong, you can't even figure out how wrong you are.

Heck, I can't even get angry with you... all I feel for you right now is pity. Pure pity. It must be a terrible existence to live in such wanton ignorance. Bless yore heart.

TheRedneck



posted on Dec, 21 2019 @ 05:51 PM
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a reply to: dragonridr


No they cant what they can do is overturn an indictment from the senate if they found the trial itself unconstitutional. Since they are unlikely to indict the supreme court won't bother to look at it.

I'd say the Senate is quite unlikely to indict... since they don't have the power to indict. They are trying the indictment handed down by the House, assuming Pelosi ever hands it down.

TheRedneck



posted on Dec, 21 2019 @ 06:35 PM
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a reply to: TheRedneck
I found it peculiarly odd in the way that Nanners invited Trump to give SOTU?

The timing and all is just WTF!

"Like first you kick me to the curb, then you invite me in to entertain your guests."

Ofcourse.

She believes she has a pocketful of sand saved for later...?
meanwhile the lines on her face are growing more defined.

It's what happens when we compromise our better judgement for worldly gains.




posted on Dec, 21 2019 @ 07:54 PM
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a reply to: dragonridr

thehill.com...

Read this please.



posted on Dec, 21 2019 @ 08:28 PM
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a reply to: Vasa Croe

Actually he isn't impeached until the Senate votes to impeach. But Pelosi, as well as socialist/democrat leaders, do not want to send the articles of impeachment to the Senate because they know the Senate will dismiss all charges as there is no proof President Trump committed ANY crimes, or did anything that can be considered impeachable.

IMO, Pelosi et al simply want to wait and see if through their lies they have convinced enough voters for socialists/democrats to win the Senate. If that doesn't happen, which is unlikely, she just want to force the hand of the Senate to get as much control over what the Senate will do as they, the socialists/democrats, want.



posted on Dec, 21 2019 @ 08:38 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse




Actually he isn't impeached until the Senate votes to impeach.


The Senate doesn't vote to impeach, the House does.

And the House already did.



posted on Dec, 22 2019 @ 05:01 AM
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originally posted by: Liquesence
a reply to: ElectricUniverse




Actually he isn't impeached until the Senate votes to impeach.


The Senate doesn't vote to impeach, the House does.

And the House already did.

Their vote is just that - merely a vote. But impeachment is a process that is not legally completed until the articles of impeachment have been passed to the Senate. If Pelosi does not do this because she knows the vote will most likely be rejected, Trump has not been impeached. There can be no trial until the articles are sent. Trump is not impeached by any vote in the House of Representatives until the Senate receives the articles.

Trump has not yet been impeached.



posted on Dec, 22 2019 @ 07:00 AM
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a reply to: TheRedneck



OK, tell you what... you keep trying to convince yourself that it is perfectly OK for a citizen to be found guilty of a crime without ever having the ability to call witnesses or speak in his defense. If you are ever indicted for any sort of crime, just go ahead and march into the cell and get comfortable, because in that legal system you don't have any rights.




Heck, I can't even get angry with you... all I feel for you right now is pity. Pure pity. It must be a terrible existence to live in such wanton ignorance. Bless yore heart.


I didn't know that we were discussing the fairness of the impeachment inquiry process, that led up to Trump's impeachment. I thought we were talking about the process of transferring the articles of impeachment to the Senate, and if Trump is truly impeached in the meantime.

On an added note, talking point being repeated by the Sunday morning talking heads: "Bill Clinton was impeached on December 17th. The Managers were selected on January 6th."

Bill Clinton was impeached and acquitted. But he still wears the stain of impeachment, as will Trump.



posted on Dec, 22 2019 @ 12:17 PM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha

You made the statement that Trump wears some kind of 'stain' because he was accused of something. I simply responded that such an idea is ridiculous. At some point, everyone is accused of something, so everyone is apparently 'stained.' The difference between Bill Clinton and Donald Trump is that Clinton was caught red-handed lying to the public about his affair and Trump has not been caught red-handed in anything. Neither are 'stained' by an impeachment; Clinton is stained by his actions staining a dress. That's where the House illegalities come into play... Trump's accusation is over speculation and conjecture and feelings.

An impeachment is a specific type of indictment. An indictment is a formal accusation of wrongdoing, typically criminal wrongdoing. You can argue against that all you want, every single day of your life, 24 hours a day, and it will not change what is.

This thread is about how the impeachment is not formalized until the Articles of Impeachment are delivered formally to the Senate. That is required for a trial to occur in the Senate, thus, the impeachment vote is not formalized until the Articles of Impeachment are delivered to the Senate.

Never before have the Articles of Impeachment not been quickly delivered. Therefore, under normal circumstances, the delivery is not considered as an important detail; the vote is the hard part, and that has happened. Only Nancy Pelosi is so self-righteous as to decree that she won't deliver the Articles of Impeachment until she is satisfied with the rules of a trial she is refusing to allow. Hey, works for me... she can sit on them for the next 20 years for all I care. Every day she waits after trying to inject herself into the Senate rule-making process is just another day that she looks like an immoral fool. The Senate has other things to do besides waste time trying to 'negotiate' with someone who by law has no say in the Senate in the first place.

TheRedneck



posted on Dec, 22 2019 @ 12:27 PM
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a reply to: Vasa Croe



Looks like the SCOTUS could get Involved in the Dems Impeachment Scam ....




posted on Dec, 22 2019 @ 12:32 PM
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a reply to: micpsi


Their vote is just that - merely a vote. But impeachment is a process that is not legally completed until the articles of impeachment have been passed to the Senate.


My god, the ignorance is profound.

Maybe read the Constitution.

Article 1, Section 2:


The House of Representatives shall chuse their Speaker and other Officers; and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment.


Sole power of impeachment.

Article 1, Section 3:


The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments.


Sole power to try said impeachments.



Trump has not yet been impeached.


Incorrect. Trump HAS been impeached. Fact.



posted on Dec, 22 2019 @ 12:45 PM
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Who gives a flying # if he has been impeached? He is not being removed from office and he is not going to be found guilty in the Senate.

Everyone with half a brain knows that this impeachment was politically, or even more correctly, emotionally motivated. He has done nothing that any other US president has done other than hurt the Democrats feelz.

The Democrats and the Republicans can even remove him from office there will just be hell for them to pay in one form or the other. Minimum, we will find someone to elect that makes Trump look like a gentle pussycat. Trump was a protest vote, basically saying that those who voted for him are fed up with our government and the PC bull crap. Luckily, he has done some good things for American citizens.

Congratulations on your "moral" victory though. LMAO!


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posted on Dec, 22 2019 @ 12:46 PM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: TheRedneck



OK, tell you what... you keep trying to convince yourself that it is perfectly OK for a citizen to be found guilty of a crime without ever having the ability to call witnesses or speak in his defense. If you are ever indicted for any sort of crime, just go ahead and march into the cell and get comfortable, because in that legal system you don't have any rights.




Heck, I can't even get angry with you... all I feel for you right now is pity. Pure pity. It must be a terrible existence to live in such wanton ignorance. Bless yore heart.


I didn't know that we were discussing the fairness of the impeachment inquiry process, that led up to Trump's impeachment. I thought we were talking about the process of transferring the articles of impeachment to the Senate, and if Trump is truly impeached in the meantime.

On an added note, talking point being repeated by the Sunday morning talking heads: "Bill Clinton was impeached on December 17th. The Managers were selected on January 6th."

Bill Clinton was impeached and acquitted. But he still wears the stain of impeachment, as will Trump.



Your facts are complete rubbish and bald faced lies!


House Judiciary Committee Chairman Henry J. Hyde, accompanied by the other 11 House impeachment managers, ceremoniously delivered the two articles of impeachment to the Senate at 3 p.m.


December 20, 1998 news article

The House voted on the articles of Impeachment at 1:24pm and those articles were forwarded to the Senate by 3pm to confirm their indictment! Thus, they followed the constitutional process to indict, unlike the House today.

Check out the archived detailed reporting of Clinton's impeachment and refresh yourself with facts and not the fake news opinions spewed about to entertain biases today.

Edit add: the house voted on Dec 19th 1998.
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posted on Dec, 22 2019 @ 12:57 PM
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He gives a flying %^$# that's who.
Its a stain on his presidency.
And he can call it illigitimate and a sham as if america hasn't heard that song before but it won't change the reality of this.
Much like it is being denied here.
It matters very much.
Every president who has been impeached has been stained forever.



posted on Dec, 22 2019 @ 01:07 PM
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originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: MRinder

He gives a flying %^$# that's who.
Its a stain on his presidency.
And he can call it illigitimate and a sham as if america hasn't heard that song before but it won't change the reality of this.
Much like it is being denied here.
It matters very much.
Every president who has been impeached has been stained forever.


So he is upset. Big deal. It doesn't change or accomplish a damn thing. Nothing changes other than he is "stained" and mad. He is and will continue to be President. You realize in 10 or 20 years he will be dead and won't give two shots about how history views his presidency. I doubt Bill Clinton wakes up every morning fretting about being impeached. It changes nothing. It means nothing in reality because nothing changes except his poll numbers have risen from it. Nice job Democrats you probably just got him reelected.

But congratulations on your "moral" victory Silly. Your party has managed to create a footnote in history nothing more.
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posted on Dec, 22 2019 @ 01:19 PM
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So here is an odd thought question for those that think the DNC is bang on with the impeachment...

How long does the house have to hold onto the papers before you start to ponder maybe this entire thing was just a political maneuver?

Weeks... months... longer?



posted on Dec, 22 2019 @ 01:20 PM
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a reply to: Sillyolme

Yea it really crippled bill...

Second...



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