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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: tanstaafl
You can add more words, but it doesn't make Mulvaney's statement any less damning for Trump.
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
and they impeached Trump for defying congressional subpoenas,
he refuses to acknowledge Congress' constitutional power to subpoena and impeach, and ordered his staff to defy congressional subpoenas.
Trump obstructed Congress' efforts to perform their duty of checks and balances regarding the whistleblower's complaint.
Since the indictment involves accusations of foreign meddling in the upcoming election,
the House leaders thought this case was too urgent to let Trump delay accountability by using the courts to buy time and distraction.
Which is not an impeachable offense...
You mean like Obama and Holder did repeatedly all throughout his Presidency?
There is no whistleblower.
For which there is ZERO evidence.
there is (was) plenty of time to do this in the courts, force (if the courts agreed, which they likely wouldn't) Trump to comply with the subpoenas.
Mulvaney: "(Trump’s) like, 'Look, this is a corrupt place. I don’t want to send them a bunch of money and have them waste it, have them spend it, have them use it to line their own pockets. Plus, I’m not sure that the other European countries are helping them out either.’
"So we actually looked at that, during that time, before — when we cut the money off, before the money actually flowed, because the money flowed by the end of the fiscal year — we actually did an analysis of what other countries were doing in terms of supporting Ukraine. And what we found out was that — and I can’t remember if it’s zero or near zero dollars from any European countries for lethal aid. And you’ve heard the president say this: that we give them tanks and other countries give them pillows. That’s absolutely right, that the — as vocal as the Europeans are about supporting Ukraine, they are really, really stingy when it comes to lethal aid. And they weren’t helping Ukraine, and then still to this day are not. And the president did not like that. I know it’s a long answer to your question, but I’m still going.
"So those were the driving factors. Did he also mention to me in passing the corruption related to the DNC server? Absolutely. No question about that. But that’s it. And that’s why we held up the money." Now, there was a report —"
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: tanstaafl
Mick Mulvaney's presser was absolutely devestating for Trump.
He confirmed the money was hald back because Trump wanted investigations into the Democrats, his political rivals.
"Which is not an impeachable offense... "
Obstruction of Congress is.
"You mean like Obama and Holder did repeatedly all throughout his Presidency? "
Sigh...
Trump refused to acknowledge congressional subpoenas as valid, and ordered his staff to ignore/defy them. The Obama administration acknowledged the congressional subpoenas, but claimed executive privilege. If Trump had acknowledged the congressional subpoenas in question, and claimed executive privilege over the content they demanded, we would be having a different conversation.
"There is no whistleblower."
Desperate much? Who's making up lies now?
"For which there is ZERO evidence."
More rambling desperate lies.
"there is (was) plenty of time to do this in the courts, force (if the courts agreed, which they likely wouldn't) Trump to comply with the subpoenas."
Two courts already ruled against Trump, and ruled the congressional subpoenas are valid, and that recipients must comply, but Trump is appealing to SCOTUS. No word yet whether or not they will actually hear the case.
originally posted by: CynConcepts
Thank you for sharing that additional context. It definitely is a statement more in favor of Trump's legitimately doing his job with concerns regarding the lethal aid.
I do remember from the phone transcript that the mention of Bidens and the rumours, seemed rather a passing comment in their conversation, more on an afterthought level, that is taken out of context and twisted too.
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: tanstaafl
What you don't understand, is that those excuses don't justify Trump's actions.
This was congressionally appropriated aide that Trump already signed into law and the Pentagon signed off on, guaranteeing that Ukraine had met US policy anti-corruption standards.
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
What you don't understand,
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: tanstaafl
I didn't lie, I quoted directly from the source I cited and linked.
But you have lied. You said that there was evidence,
The fact that Mulvaney admitted that Trump ordered that aide held up to get a foreign government to announce and investigation into his political enemies is damning to Trump's case.
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: tanstaafl
Waaaa! "I'm not the liar! You're the liar!"