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If they proved their case, then what in the Hell are you arguing about even?
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Mach2
While you are correct that the judicial branch has no say in the house precedings directly, they most definitely have the final say on whether privilege applies.
Trump did NOT site executive privilege. He ordered his staff and his aides to ignore the subpoenas as illegitimate. If he had sited executive privilege, he would have had to acknowledge Congress' authority to issue subpoenas in the first place, which he refused to do.
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: pavil
If they proved their case, then what in the Hell are you arguing about even?
Trump has been impeached. Whether or not his crimes amount to removal from office, that's the purview of the Senate in a trial. I'm arguing that I think the rules for this upcoming trial should include witnesses. Democrats have asked for 4 witnesses.
I think that McConnell and Lindsey Graham don't want those witnesses, because they won't help Trump's case. They don't want any witnesses, because they also don't want Trump to call Joe and Hunter Biden.
Did you not keep up with the rules the Demwit Schiff was setting? They weren't affording the Republicans the same rights in calling witnesses. They were setting restrictions on them. They were limiting their questions even.
originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: OccamsRazor04
The investigation is over. The testimonies have been given. The articles of impeachment (the charges) are written. The impeachment (conviction) for those articles has been ratified by vote.
Perhaps you are confused by the fact that further articles of impeachment (charges) are still possible.
Do you believe Congress is searching for further witnesses in the currently ratified impeachment articles?
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
They, and a bunch of documents, were subpoenaed, but Trump ordered his staff to ignore the subpoenas.
That's why Trump has been impeached for obstruction of Congress.
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: tanstaafl
They're already in court with MCGanh and over Trump's taxes. There's no need to get in the back of the line.
But, there is an urgency to stop Trump from coordinating with foreign governments to interfere in the 2020 election.
There is no disputing the fact that Trump asked Zelenskiy to open an investigation into his political rival, Joe Biden and his son Hunter. He admitted it.
Mulvaney admitted that Ukraine aid was held up to ensure that investigation was announced.
Trump also admitted that he didn't believe that coordinating with a foreign government about smear campaigns against his political is a perfectly fine thing for him to do and that he would do it. Then he did it.
There is also no disputing that Trump ignored congressional subpoena's claiming them to be illegitimate. That's why he was impeached for obstruction of Congress.
originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: chr0naut
Nothing is over. You do not understand the law or how this works.
The House provides an 'indictment'. That is all impeachment is. Impeachment is NOT removal of a president.
The Senate will dismiss the charges or conduct a trial. At that trial the POTUS and his lawyers will be able to call ANYONE they want to testify. This is what has Congress as well as prior elected/appointed officials scared and why they are trying to hold up the articles.
They, the House Dems, f'd themselves by doing this. When the POTUS is declared innocent of the 'charges' it will then be overr and you will see what happens to those who falsely accuse and actually lie.