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posted on Dec, 19 2019 @ 10:46 AM
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a reply to: UnendingVigilance

I didn't mention Russia once you did.
I've read what those "good people" are saying here on ATS, when their leader was talking about the caravan they wanted to bomb and shoot them, very nice.
They try to "help everyone see what's really going on"? That's why they call them mentally ill? It's not an insult but a help offer? Ha who'd believe that?
Oh I know who, someone who thinks Q is more than a 14 year old troll.

But I agree, let's hope justice will prevail. And the fever dream can be overcome.




posted on Dec, 19 2019 @ 10:49 AM
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a reply to: RickyD

Why did people vote for Trump?
Because propaganda told them conspiracies about crimes Hillary allegedly committed. Because they felt he would be the hero fighting for them.
Is that wrong?



posted on Dec, 19 2019 @ 10:55 AM
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a reply to: Peeple

The declined to prosecute her...that does not mean they didn't find crimes. Tell you what...send classified documents through gmail and get caught...see if you get to come back to tell us how it wasn't a crime. Further to that...hiding them and lying to investigators about them on top of things like destroying evidence. Let's also add the smashed phones...like that's not a pretty good indicator of covering up crimes...pretty sure that isn't SOP for how to deal with government property. I'm sure I could add more but I think that makes the point clear. If any of us did that we would be in prison just like anyone else who has done such things and most times even less got them there.

But hey if you want to demonstrate your lack of thinking for us don't let me stop you.



posted on Dec, 19 2019 @ 11:00 AM
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a reply to: RickyD

That wasn't what I was talking about, Pizza?
And if you'd look up my history you'll find that I said more than once that Hillary wasn't an option to vote for.



posted on Dec, 19 2019 @ 11:16 AM
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a reply to: Peeple

I don't think that was her downfall...but since you bring it up what do you make of those weird emails? Cause I have yet to see that explained at all...in fact I dont think anyone involved ever addressed that stuff directly. You would expect if it did have a simple explanation it would have been addressed and it would have been hard to push such angles as believable conspiracies.



posted on Dec, 19 2019 @ 11:26 AM
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a reply to: RickyD

Sorry I don't know and can't explain.



posted on Dec, 19 2019 @ 11:33 AM
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a reply to: Peeple

Then what are you talking about? What even was the point of that post...



posted on Dec, 19 2019 @ 12:51 PM
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a reply to: MayRenee

It’s more important to hurt Democrats than it is to actually look at the truth of the situation. Remember that picture of those people at a Trump rally wearing T-shirts that said “I’d rather be a Russian than a Democrat”?

That’s where we are. Trump voters just like the rest of the GOP would gladly sell themselves out to a hostile foreign power if it helps them stay in power. They don’t care about America. They only care about their political party. And nothing is out of bounds when it comes to keeping them in power.

“If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. The will reject democracy.”

David Frum



posted on Dec, 19 2019 @ 03:40 PM
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underwerks


It’s more important to hurt Democrats than it is to actually look at the truth of the situation.

That's rich...coming from someone who has literally been on the BAMN crowd who has supported ousting Trump since day 1 of him winning the election.




“If progressives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon progressivism. They will reject democracy.”

-Literally happening before our eyes...

Any more mouth drivel you wanna spew at us?



posted on Dec, 19 2019 @ 03:42 PM
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a reply to: underwerks

Also still short on any facts to show Trump is the Russian agent you purport him to be...in fact I'd say I've seen more evidence showing the DNC was working with Russians than I have Trump.



posted on Dec, 19 2019 @ 04:16 PM
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a reply to: RickyD

What do you mean? Fuzzy Bear leaked it through wikileaks right wingers grabbed it and ran with it. That's propaganda even if I don't know if they faked some emails or what Podesta was talking about.
I have a quick look in my crystal ball...



posted on Dec, 19 2019 @ 07:07 PM
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originally posted by: kwakakev
a reply to: harold223

Does Russia have a right to discuss political events in other nations? If not why not? Does this mean Australia has not right either to partake in global political discourse? Am I at risk of being labeled and vilified as an Aussie Agent? If all this is bad, bad stuff why is it ok for America to undertake discussions in the political affairs of other nations?

Just looking for a fair go to where the line actually is.


The paper I posted does not state 'political discussions'. It states direct, strategic manipulation for geo-political reasons. Big difference.



posted on Dec, 19 2019 @ 07:12 PM
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originally posted by: RickyD
a reply to: harold223

So you're facts dont actually say anything other than Russia does the same thing we do to any other country of importance and try to influence them to have leaders we want. No where in there does it say Trump is a Russian agent which is the premise of this thread. Furthermore at least 1 of those agencies has been disgraced during that election for doing the same to we the people...however I would bet if it was honestly looked into and we could actually see past the wall of classification the other 2 did similar...the last part being an educated guess but opinion still so I will digress.

So still waiting to see some fact based evidence Trump is an agent of Russia...


They are not my facts, they are the facts of the US intelligence services. I don't personally believe that Trump is a Russian agent, however, I do believe that Putin calculated that Trumps election would undermine the institutions and national co-hesion that makes the US so formidable. That was what the paper I posted more or less said. Further to that, Brexit was interfered with in the same way and for the same reasons (I have read multiple papers that state this). Putin is trying to weaken the west and liberal democracy so that he can expand Russian influence and grow the Russian empire. His reasons for this are ego-based. He want to be recorded in history books as one of Russia's great leaders.
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posted on Dec, 19 2019 @ 09:59 PM
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The paper I posted does not state 'political discussions'. It states direct, strategic manipulation for geo-political reasons. Big difference.


Direct, strategic manipulation for geo-political reasons is what I am trying to do. After all the 9/11 lies I am fully in support of Trump and his swamp draining project. Geopolitically, if America is to fall as all of its deception leads to destruction, Australia will not be too far behind.


We also assess Putin and the Russian Government aspired to help President-elect Trump’s election chances when possible by discrediting Secretary Clinton and publicly contrasting her unfavorably to him.


Is this about Wikileaks and the DNC hack? Julian Assange has made it clear that Russia was not involved. There is strong evidence that Seth Rich was the leaker which was officially covered up. This is one issue that Muller dared not touch.


Moscow’s approach evolved over the course of the campaign based on Russia’s understanding of the electoral prospects of the two main candidates. When it appeared to Moscow that Secretary Clinton was likely to win the election, the Russian influence campaign began to focus more on undermining her future presidency.


Moscow had a preference in the election and let it be known, so what? How many other nations also had a preference let know to their communities? How many foreign elections has America let its preference be known? What is the problem with a state talking about geopolitical issues with its community?


Moscow’s influence campaign followed a Russian messaging strategy that blends covert intelligence operations—such as cyber activity—with overt efforts by Russian Government agencies, state-funded media, third-party intermediaries, and paid social media users or “trolls.”


Moscow put in resources to promote its position on a foreign election matter. America does the same. What is the Council of Foreign Relations all about?


Russia’s intelligence services conducted cyber operations against targets associated with the 2016 US presidential election, including targets associated with both major US political parties.


Unfortunately intelligence operations are part of todays geopolitical environment. It is a force that can be used for good or evil and that may change depending on your views. The DNC hack is the main cyber operation that some attribute to Russia. I am not aware of any other blackmail, intimidation, fraud or other major cyber crimes. These are global issues that nation states must be able to work together on if there is to be a realistic chance in resolving these issues. Like nuclear weapons, cyber crimes are more of a global issue than a national one if they are to be addressed effectively.

If the worst these Russian intelligence services came up with was a meme or a hit story piece on some issue that reflects badly on someone, good on them.


We assess with high confidence that Russian military intelligence (General Staff Main Intelligence Directorate or GRU) used the Guccifer 2.0 persona and DCLeaks.com to release US victim data


There is just too many claims, counter claims and political intrigue for me to know with any level of certainty who or what Guccifer 2.0 is. From what I have gathered so far, Seth Rich is the most likely suspect of the DNC hack. The claims about Russia was to throw any real investigations of while building a case to impeach the President, in my opinion.


Russian intelligence obtained and maintained access to elements of multiple US state or local electoral boards.


As long as there is nothing nefarious going on, why is it a problem if there are some members of the electoral board that have some contact with Russia? How many have some contact with Mexico, Canada, Germany and other nations around the world? Since when was it a condition to be on an electoral board that you must cut all contact with any foreign entity? This position sounds silly for a nation that does aim to achieve a strong international presence in the global community.


Russia’s state-run propaganda machine contributed to the influence campaign by serving as a platform for Kremlin messaging to Russian and international audiences.


I am sure Russia is struggling with its own Fake news issues as well. RT has been a good source to help challenge some of these entrenched Fake news issues in America. I am not on board with the ministry of truth propaganda when looking back at events like 9/11 and the global influence this had. I know the truth can be a hard pill to swallow at times, but I do like to know where I stand.



posted on Dec, 19 2019 @ 10:10 PM
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originally posted by: blueman12
a reply to: M5xaz

I thought there was a lot of evidence to show how Russian bots influenced the election. Not only to benifit Trump, but to mainly spread left vs right hate and distrust.

I don't think the claim was that 60 million voters were bots, but that there were hundredds (if not thousands) of bots spreading negative political discourse amongst social media.

And blaming everything on Hillary just seems like a weak argument at this point..


Is it not her flaws that turned voters away from Hillary ?


Logic suggests "Occam's razor"
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posted on Dec, 19 2019 @ 10:24 PM
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originally posted by: MayRenee
a reply to: MayRenee Lets begin here:
www-vox-com.cdn.ampproject.org


Still totally irrelevant.

Directed ads on Facebook....aaaand, again, so what....????

I get tons of directed ads on Facebook.
When you see a Facebook ad, any ad,do you automatically rush out to buy the advertised product ?

The vast VAST majority of people don't.

People are not robots.

Facebook's conversion rate is good compared to other forms of advertising but is still only 0.9%
www.google.com...

Again, to explain Hillary's loss, look no further than "Occam's razor"
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posted on Dec, 21 2019 @ 01:59 AM
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It was much more than targeted ads. It was the strategic study., and subsequential targeting of, those deemed gullible. Groups such as racists. Christians.White males. The uneducated and undereducated. The exact term for what happened, and is still happening, is phsycological warfare. Pardon my lack of ability to provide correctly , as I am struggling with partial blindness, and a very small screen. I came back to this site hoping to find masses of members who were blowing it up with what is REALLY happening. Instead I find others struggling to break through to members. I realize that the brilliant minds of 2002-2013, my most active years here, have gone missing. What is majority are closed minds, unable to see the most obvious, and dangerous, mind blowing conspiracy of their lives. I hoped my lack of links, ECT, would not be an issue, not asking you to do my homework, I am asking you to do YOURS.

originally posted by: M5xaz

originally posted by: MayRenee
a reply to: MayRenee Lets begin here:
www-vox-com.cdn.ampproject.org


Still totally irrelevant.

Directed ads on Facebook....aaaand, again, so what....????

I get tons of directed ads on Facebook.
When you see a Facebook ad, any ad,do you automatically rush out to buy the advertised product ?

The vast VAST majority of people don't.

People are not robots.

Facebook's conversion rate is good compared to other forms of advertising but is still only 0.9%
www.google.com...

Again, to explain Hillary's loss, look no further than "Occam's razor"

edit on 21-12-2019 by MayRenee because: Spelling



posted on Dec, 21 2019 @ 02:13 AM
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Your post is saturated with inacuracy. There absolutely WAS russian interference. There absolutely were targeted audiences in the USA , phsycological warfare not only took place, but continues to this day. And it works. It works so well that thousands of members on one of the greatest debunking sites, are victims.

originally posted by: M5xaz

originally posted by: MayRenee
This is my second time around on ats, I lost all my login info, Changed job's, could not be on as much as when I worked 3rd shift. I loved it, I loved that so many members followed the motto to "deny ignorance" and research the he'll out of every topic, debunking with facts, credible information, knowledge. [...]


Deny Ignorance does not means deny reality ...or being delusional.

FACT: The "Russia" excuse is Hillary's way of explaining away her arrogance and incompetence at LOSING the election. Only a lunatic would think that >60 million American were Russian bots

FACT: The Dossier was also paid for by Hillary. Intel agencies contradicted its false claims and the IG report condemned the FBI for changing a contradicting e-mail from the Intel agencies which they then used to illegally get a FISA warrant on Trump.

Get your facts straight
Accept the results of a democratic election
Hillary was and remains a drunk, arrogant, incompetent, corrupt and overall sh**ty candidate
Trump will be re-elected in 2020

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posted on Dec, 21 2019 @ 03:21 AM
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originally posted by: MayRenee
Your post is saturated with inacuracy. There absolutely WAS russian interference. There absolutely were targeted audiences in the USA , phsycological warfare not only took place, but continues to this day. And it works. It works so well that thousands of members on one of the greatest debunking sites, are victims.


Yes, the evidence is irrefutable. The trouble is that convincing people that they have been hoodwinked is not easy. Ever seen those episodes of Dr Phil where he attempts to prove to some old lonely soul that they have been catfished? People's ego's don't like to admit to such things - not even to themselves.
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posted on Dec, 21 2019 @ 03:41 AM
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I realize that the brilliant minds of 2002-2013, my most active years here, have gone missing. What is majority are closed minds,


If you have been away for a while, ok... Stick around as it look like you have some catching up to do. Does Russia have an influence in America, sure. It is a very interconnected world these days with the influence of the globalists very persevere.

Is the influence of Russia worst than the influence of the Fake News for America? This is a more important question to ask.



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