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posted on Dec, 18 2019 @ 08:35 PM
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originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: sine.nomine
a reply to: Liquesence

Do you think the successful impeachment of trump would be good for America?

Honest question


Impeachment has been successful.

Is that good for America? No, not without removal.

Honest answer.

I'm seriously asking this of you: do you really believe this impeachment has been successful for Democrats?

Your party has weakened something that should be significant. You have accomplished the exact opposite of what you set out to do. You have made a circus of our political system. Nothing from here on out holds the weight of what it was meant to do. This is a joke. Everybody sees it except the select few on the far left.




posted on Dec, 18 2019 @ 08:38 PM
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originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: sine.nomine
a reply to: Liquesence

Do you think the successful impeachment of trump would be good for America?

Honest question


Impeachment has been successful.

Is that good for America? No, not without removal.

Honest answer.


So you're just for a completely partisan totalitarian government.

A Democracy.

A party that just negates the will of the voters by nullifying the 2016 Presidential election.

Thanks for being honest.

You do realize that your viewpoint is the antithesis of what America actually represents?

You are fighting so hard to be un-American.

And you don't even realize it.

No wonder we're in trouble as a country.

The education system has churned out too many people such as yourself.

Not knowing anything about the Constitution but proud to misquote it, remake it, undo it.

For your owners.

You know... the ones that will throw you in a mass grave once they have attained power because as Kissinger pointed out, you are nothing but useless eaters.

A means to an end and then no longer useful.

But hey.. rock on.

/facepalm



posted on Dec, 18 2019 @ 08:40 PM
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a reply to: asabuvsobelow


It's Just In their Nature............





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posted on Dec, 18 2019 @ 08:42 PM
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a reply to: sine.nomine


I'm seriously asking this of you: do you really believe this impeachment has been successful for Democrats?


Impeachment *has* been successful. He *has* been impeached.

Does that bode well for democrats? I do not know. Honestly.


Your party has weakened something that should be significant.


Weakened what?


You have made a circus of our political system


No, the president did that when he claimed he is above accountability, above the law, and Congress has no authority to its Constitutional right of checks and balances as a coequal branch of government.


This is a joke. Everybody sees it except the select few on the far left.


Or the Trump cult?



posted on Dec, 18 2019 @ 08:46 PM
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a reply to: asabuvsobelow

It's true. They know their swamp is draining, and that's why they are so desperate.

For them it's desperate times calling for desperate measure.

They haven't done a single thing to improve their districts in 30 to 50+ years, what makes any one, especially the foolish voters, think the career parasites would start now... because they won't.



posted on Dec, 18 2019 @ 08:46 PM
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a reply to: Lumenari


A party that just negates the will of the voters by nullifying the 2016 Presidential election.


You're not ignorant, and you know it doesn't nullify an election. But nice talking point.



So you're just for a completely partisan totalitarian government.


Like when a president is not accountable? Like that totalitarianism?


You do realize that your viewpoint is the antithesis of what America actually represents?


Do you understand the Constitution and checks and balances?


Not knowing anything about the Constitution but proud to misquote it, remake it, undo it.


At least you're honest.



posted on Dec, 18 2019 @ 08:51 PM
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originally posted by: Liquesence
a reply to: sine.nomine


I'm seriously asking this of you: do you really believe this impeachment has been successful for Democrats?


Impeachment *has* been successful. He *has* been impeached.

Does that bode well for democrats? I do not know. Honestly.


Your party has weakened something that should be significant.


Weakened what?


You have made a circus of our political system


No, the president did that when he claimed he is above accountability, above the law, and Congress has no authority to its Constitutional right of checks and balances as a coequal branch of government.


This is a joke. Everybody sees it except the select few on the far left.


Or the Trump cult?

Yes, he *has* been impeached. Like Clinton. Hell, I supported Clinton during the process. Trump's support, like Clinton's, has gone up because of it. There is absolutely zero chance of removal.

Weakened what?
The power of impeachment. It's become cheap. What crimes are involved?

The president never claimed to be above accountability, or above the law. That's leftist craziness. Seriously. Point to an example. Seriously show me when the president claimed to be "above accountability". ...those are your words.



posted on Dec, 18 2019 @ 08:56 PM
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originally posted by: Liquesence
a reply to: Lumenari



Your level of projection is absolutely epic.

Speak for yourself.


Democrats don't give a sh!t about their constituents or their country.


*Yawn*

You sound a little wound up. Maybe chill.


You do realize that the House this term has issued more subpoenas then they have voted on actual bills?


You do realize the several hundred bills they passed now rotting in the Senate because McConnell won't allow a vote?


Your mindset


Bless your heart.


LOL.

African-American unemployment at record lows.

Hispanic unemployment at record lows.

Female unemployment at record lows.

Veteran unemployment at record lows.

Disabled unemployment at record lows.

Stock market at record highs.

7 million more jobs now than we have workers to fill them.

Median wages rising at the highest levels in a generation... the biggest increases are the lowest paid workers.

But YOU would like a return to Democratic policies.

Obama's policies put 13 million more Americans on food stamps.

Put 9 million more Americans into poverty.

Gutted the military, weakened us as a country in the world and (as he said) "America is declining and we are just here to manage the decline"

So I guess I just have to ask...

Why do you hate American citizens so much that you want to return to something that hurt us all so badly?

Oh wait...

You probably only care about illegal immigrants.




posted on Dec, 18 2019 @ 09:01 PM
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a reply to: sine.nomine


There is absolutely zero chance of removal.

I have said as much.


What crimes are involved?


Abuse of power, obstruction of Congress. Who knows what else, since he obstructs Congress from their Constitutional right.



The president never claimed to be above accountability, or above the law.
Seriously show me when the president claimed to be "above accountability". ...those are your words.


Those are my words, but...umm, The Constitution says "I can do whatever I want."




posted on Dec, 18 2019 @ 09:03 PM
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originally posted by: Liquesence
a reply to: sine.nomine


There is absolutely zero chance of removal.

I have said as much.


What crimes are involved?


Abuse of power, obstruction of Congress. Who knows what else, since he obstructs Congress from their Constitutional right.



The president never claimed to be above accountability, or above the law.
Seriously show me when the president claimed to be "above accountability". ...those are your words.


Those are my words, but...umm, The Constitution says "I can do whatever I want."


What was his abuse of power? How did he obstruct Congress?
edit on 18-12-2019 by sine.nomine because: (no reason given)


ETA: How the hell is this whole process not an abuse of power by the Democrats!?
edit on 18-12-2019 by sine.nomine because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 18 2019 @ 09:14 PM
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a reply to: Lumenari

Le sigh.

What a BS talking point argument.

"He did a bunch of good things so his actions to undermine American democracy and subvert US elections through foreign help into his opponent while undermining Congressional checks and balances and oversight into his conduct" is why he should not be impeached.


Gutted the military, weakened us as a country in the world


As opposed to bending to dictators and not having a spine to stand up to them. If that's your guy.


Obama's policies put 13 million more Americans on food stamps.


As opposed to taking people off SNAP and having people—children—starve?



You probably only care about illegal immigrants.


Wrong. I care about everyone. Except Trumpists.



posted on Dec, 18 2019 @ 09:15 PM
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originally posted by: sine.nomine

originally posted by: Liquesence
a reply to: sine.nomine


There is absolutely zero chance of removal.

I have said as much.


What crimes are involved?


Abuse of power, obstruction of Congress. Who knows what else, since he obstructs Congress from their Constitutional right.



The president never claimed to be above accountability, or above the law.
Seriously show me when the president claimed to be "above accountability". ...those are your words.


Those are my words, but...umm, The Constitution says "I can do whatever I want."


What was his abuse of power? How did he obstruct Congress?


Read previous replies.



ETA: How the hell is this whole process not an abuse of power by the Democrats!?


Um, the Constitution.



posted on Dec, 18 2019 @ 09:19 PM
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originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: sine.nomine

originally posted by: Liquesence
a reply to: sine.nomine


There is absolutely zero chance of removal.

I have said as much.


What crimes are involved?


Abuse of power, obstruction of Congress. Who knows what else, since he obstructs Congress from their Constitutional right.



The president never claimed to be above accountability, or above the law.
Seriously show me when the president claimed to be "above accountability". ...those are your words.


Those are my words, but...umm, The Constitution says "I can do whatever I want."


What was his abuse of power? How did he obstruct Congress?


Read previous replies.



ETA: How the hell is this whole process not an abuse of power by the Democrats!?


Um, the Constitution.

Um... Fail.

Congress people couldn't do it. You can't do it. Where is the crime? Where is the crime? Where is the crime? Where is the crime? Where is the crime?

Idiots. It's a sham. America sees it. Idiots. All of you.



posted on Dec, 18 2019 @ 09:21 PM
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originally posted by: sine.nomine

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: sine.nomine

originally posted by: Liquesence
a reply to: sine.nomine


There is absolutely zero chance of removal.

I have said as much.


What crimes are involved?


Abuse of power, obstruction of Congress. Who knows what else, since he obstructs Congress from their Constitutional right.



The president never claimed to be above accountability, or above the law.
Seriously show me when the president claimed to be "above accountability". ...those are your words.


Those are my words, but...umm, The Constitution says "I can do whatever I want."


What was his abuse of power? How did he obstruct Congress?


Read previous replies.



ETA: How the hell is this whole process not an abuse of power by the Democrats!?


Um, the Constitution.

Um... Fail.

Congress people couldn't do it. You can't do it. Where is the crime? Where is the crime? Where is the crime? Where is the crime? Where is the crime?

Idiots. It's a sham. America sees it. Idiots. All of you.


Does the Constitution not say the president can be impeached? By the House? Sole power?



Congress people couldn't do it.


They did it. Today.



posted on Dec, 18 2019 @ 09:23 PM
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originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: sine.nomine

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: sine.nomine

originally posted by: Liquesence
a reply to: sine.nomine


There is absolutely zero chance of removal.

I have said as much.


What crimes are involved?


Abuse of power, obstruction of Congress. Who knows what else, since he obstructs Congress from their Constitutional right.



The president never claimed to be above accountability, or above the law.
Seriously show me when the president claimed to be "above accountability". ...those are your words.


Those are my words, but...umm, The Constitution says "I can do whatever I want."


What was his abuse of power? How did he obstruct Congress?


Read previous replies.



ETA: How the hell is this whole process not an abuse of power by the Democrats!?


Um, the Constitution.

Um... Fail.

Congress people couldn't do it. You can't do it. Where is the crime? Where is the crime? Where is the crime? Where is the crime? Where is the crime?

Idiots. It's a sham. America sees it. Idiots. All of you.


Does the Constitution not say the president can be impeached? By the House? Sole power?



Congress people couldn't do it.


They did it. Today.

To what end?



posted on Dec, 18 2019 @ 09:24 PM
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originally posted by: sine.nomine

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: sine.nomine

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: sine.nomine

originally posted by: Liquesence
a reply to: sine.nomine


There is absolutely zero chance of removal.

I have said as much.


What crimes are involved?


Abuse of power, obstruction of Congress. Who knows what else, since he obstructs Congress from their Constitutional right.



The president never claimed to be above accountability, or above the law.
Seriously show me when the president claimed to be "above accountability". ...those are your words.


Those are my words, but...umm, The Constitution says "I can do whatever I want."


What was his abuse of power? How did he obstruct Congress?


Read previous replies.



ETA: How the hell is this whole process not an abuse of power by the Democrats!?


Um, the Constitution.

Um... Fail.

Congress people couldn't do it. You can't do it. Where is the crime? Where is the crime? Where is the crime? Where is the crime? Where is the crime?

Idiots. It's a sham. America sees it. Idiots. All of you.


Does the Constitution not say the president can be impeached? By the House? Sole power?



Congress people couldn't do it.


They did it. Today.

To what end?


Historical record.

The Constitution.



posted on Dec, 18 2019 @ 09:24 PM
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originally posted by: asabuvsobelow


It was done very publicly and braggadociously
a reply to: MonkeyFishFrog

As is his style to do so, and I'm sure the left was counting on this reaction.

Again though look at it objectively , Is he obstructing Congress? Or is he simply using his right to counsel and pressing his right to face his accusers . What he is doing may be annoying to Congress , but I'm pretty sure he is still with in his rights to do so.

I'm not a fan a Trump as a person, but results dont lie.


If my style was to light mini fires everywhere it would still make me an arsonist. Witness intimidation, unanswered/obstructed subpoenas, censuring of testimony were all forms of obstruction. The only thing Trump was protecting against was self incrimination which is something he has also already done openly.
edit on 12/18/2019 by MonkeyFishFrog because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 18 2019 @ 09:29 PM
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originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: sine.nomine

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: sine.nomine

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: sine.nomine

originally posted by: Liquesence
a reply to: sine.nomine


There is absolutely zero chance of removal.

I have said as much.


What crimes are involved?


Abuse of power, obstruction of Congress. Who knows what else, since he obstructs Congress from their Constitutional right.



The president never claimed to be above accountability, or above the law.
Seriously show me when the president claimed to be "above accountability". ...those are your words.


Those are my words, but...umm, The Constitution says "I can do whatever I want."


What was his abuse of power? How did he obstruct Congress?


Read previous replies.



ETA: How the hell is this whole process not an abuse of power by the Democrats!?


Um, the Constitution.

Um... Fail.

Congress people couldn't do it. You can't do it. Where is the crime? Where is the crime? Where is the crime? Where is the crime? Where is the crime?

Idiots. It's a sham. America sees it. Idiots. All of you.


Does the Constitution not say the president can be impeached? By the House? Sole power?



Congress people couldn't do it.


They did it. Today.

To what end?


Historical record.

The Constitution.

Ok. Historical record. Nothing will happen. Dems will lose more support. And Trump will be next to clintons bj. Thanks for wasting my damn money.



posted on Dec, 18 2019 @ 09:34 PM
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originally posted by: sine.nomine

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: sine.nomine

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: sine.nomine

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: sine.nomine

originally posted by: Liquesence
a reply to: sine.nomine


There is absolutely zero chance of removal.

I have said as much.


What crimes are involved?


Abuse of power, obstruction of Congress. Who knows what else, since he obstructs Congress from their Constitutional right.



The president never claimed to be above accountability, or above the law.
Seriously show me when the president claimed to be "above accountability". ...those are your words.


Those are my words, but...umm, The Constitution says "I can do whatever I want."


What was his abuse of power? How did he obstruct Congress?


Read previous replies.



ETA: How the hell is this whole process not an abuse of power by the Democrats!?


Um, the Constitution.

Um... Fail.

Congress people couldn't do it. You can't do it. Where is the crime? Where is the crime? Where is the crime? Where is the crime? Where is the crime?

Idiots. It's a sham. America sees it. Idiots. All of you.


Does the Constitution not say the president can be impeached? By the House? Sole power?



Congress people couldn't do it.


They did it. Today.

To what end?


Historical record.

The Constitution.

Ok. Historical record. Nothing will happen. Dems will lose more support. And Trump will be next to clintons bj. Thanks for wasting my damn money.


I said he (likely) won't be removed. But the historical record is more valuable than money. So is the Constitution.

That's what most do not get.



posted on Dec, 18 2019 @ 09:37 PM
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originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: sine.nomine

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: sine.nomine

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: sine.nomine

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: sine.nomine

originally posted by: Liquesence
a reply to: sine.nomine


There is absolutely zero chance of removal.

I have said as much.


What crimes are involved?


Abuse of power, obstruction of Congress. Who knows what else, since he obstructs Congress from their Constitutional right.



The president never claimed to be above accountability, or above the law.
Seriously show me when the president claimed to be "above accountability". ...those are your words.


Those are my words, but...umm, The Constitution says "I can do whatever I want."


What was his abuse of power? How did he obstruct Congress?


Read previous replies.



ETA: How the hell is this whole process not an abuse of power by the Democrats!?


Um, the Constitution.

Um... Fail.

Congress people couldn't do it. You can't do it. Where is the crime? Where is the crime? Where is the crime? Where is the crime? Where is the crime?

Idiots. It's a sham. America sees it. Idiots. All of you.


Does the Constitution not say the president can be impeached? By the House? Sole power?



Congress people couldn't do it.


They did it. Today.

To what end?


Historical record.

The Constitution.

Ok. Historical record. Nothing will happen. Dems will lose more support. And Trump will be next to clintons bj. Thanks for wasting my damn money.


I said he (likely) won't be removed. But the historical record is more valuable than money. So is the Constitution.

That's what most do not get.

Tell African Americans, or homosexuals that the "historical record" is most important. I support the Constitution. I don't support removing a president because "muh feelings". What was that crime again? Still not hearing an answer about that pivotal question ..

Again: where is the crime!?
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