a reply to: jhin1place
So basically you agree with most of my comments then. I've witnessed the things I've described in person, not just hearsay. Job applications? Yep,
happened to me personally, and it wasn't a job at a church owned property, but rather an engineering firm. LDS partner firms? Yep, got told
directly, in no uncertain terms, by a Managing Director within the City government what sub-contractors we would hire for a project at the SLC Int'l
Airport..."if we really wanted the job
". Then got told by some of those same sub-contractors about how the fee structure worked. These were
heavy hitters in SLC too, not just some small-time subcontractors. Experienced it in person. You might not like it, it might make you uncomfortable,
but it happened and I witnessed it with my own eyes. (We did in fact hire those subs, and we did get the jobs too...when in Rome, you know). Now
granted, this was back in the 80's, and some of those things have changed since then, but it was real, and it existed. And, even if to a lesser
extent, some of those practices still exist today.
BTW, my statements in no way suggest Utah is a bad state to live in. I actually love the state of Utah, but as an outsider you need to understand
what you're getting into. I had, and continue to have, many Mormon friends, and yes, not all Mormons are scam artists like this, but there are far
more of them then some 'tiny minority'. AND, the fact that the church knows full well how they operate and abuse the system yet choose to overlook
these actions speaks of tolerance. They don't call them out.
Regarding the FLDS, I am very aware of how the FLDS came to be, and here again, the LDS church has been very careful selecting their words when making
public statements about their beliefs and activities. Warren Jeffs is a douche bag, a convicted felon and a child abuser. The state of Utah should
have had him on their Top 10 most wanted list for 20 years
before the FBI ever started chasing him. Utah should have eradicated that cult from
their state and then publicly denounced them. But they didn't. They just left them alone until the 2000's when the feds came on the scene. A person
could go to jail in Hildale just for being a non-FLDS outsider and neither the State, nor the church, would lift a finger to do anything about it.
I'm sorry, but that's complicit.
You say the state of Utah had a "standing agreement" not to prosecute plural marriages. What better example could anyone cite as an example of church
and state connections???? Of course they did, but they shouldn't have!
Lastly, no, the entire state is not like the FLDS in Hildale, but you cannot possibly deny the favoritism afforded to Mormons in numerous other LDS
strongholds around the state of Utah. Places such as Provo, communities surrounding St. George, Nephi and Heber. Things like bank loans, business
credit lines, building permits, and the list goes on.
Have things improved since the 80's? Absolutely they have, and I'm going to say something here you'll rarely
ever see me say; one of the
reasons for this is the MSM coverage of some of the issues notorious for Utah. BTW, you can also thank the media (who I am usually hyper-critical of)
for the non-Mormon population exceeding the LDS population in SLC too (though I'm not convinced this is an altogether good thing. You used to be able
to eat off the sidewalks in SLC, but not anymore!)
Utah is a beautiful state, and their Parks (not just national) are staggeringly beautiful. But to deny that some of the favoritism and 'good 'ol boy'
network related to the church continue to exist is simply foolish and an admission you have blinders on. It's greatly improved, on this we might
agree, but there are still many pieces of it remaining.
ETA - BTW, U of U in SLC and Weber State in Ogden are my alma mater(s). I lived in Utah for about 6 years, but 'home' was Wyoming.
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