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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
originally posted by: Metallicus
originally posted by: continuousThunder
a reply to: TerryMcGuire
you've made a real valiant attempt to be clear and communicative here and it is appreciated.
unfortunately, no one on this site wants anything approaching a rational conversation.
I can only assume that deep down they're so terrified of the consequences of accepting reality that they can only treat any and all conversation about it with scorn. I've seen fear like that before.
The only thing I am close to “terrified” of is that some bureaucrat in Brussels will be raiding my wallet and having me eating soy burgers or insect protein.
So you have a phobia, an irrational fear that is all but in your mind, colour me shocked ...
originally posted by: Blue Shift
I still think that anything significant we do at this time is premature because we absolutely do not have a firm grasp of how climate works and we don't have enough data to point us in a direction to actually do anything. Jumping into this stuff without clear and sure knowledge of the outcome is just asking for the next Ice Age to kick in sooner than later.
originally posted by: homerJ
a reply to: ChaoticOrder
Our government is doing NOTHING about ANYTHING.
The Liberals have done a lot to expand the use of green tech like solar and wind, the Australian Energy Update for 2017 shows a 18% increase in small scale solar power and a 4% drop in coal power in a year, and more recently they enacted laws forcing power companies to charge consumers less due to the fast rising prices.
Dissecting the Global Warming and Energy Issues in Australia
Our pri minister is in hawaii sunning his god bothering backside while our country is on fire.
People don't realise the damage that this anti climate change rhetoric is doing to the rest of the efforts that logical ecologists and scientists are engaged in.
What is wrong with you people?? We had snow in November! Its been freezing cold in some parts yet there's massive fires and we're looking down the barrel of several 40 degree days where I live.
even if it's not because of climate change, these fires are still because of us. We own/control/manage/terraform this sunburnt country and like it or not, we are responsible for pretty much all of it.
Being anti climate change has spilled completely into being anti environmental and we will all suffer because of it... THIS SUMMER MARK MY WORDS.
anything remotely good for the planet that costs money is being poo pooed by you and your minions and nothing's getting done.
originally posted by: ChaoticOrder
Sorry to bump this thread but had to post this video from ABC News Australia. I'm always a bit surprised when ABC releases more balanced report like this. Apparently it takes something like 10 years before a solar panel will produce enough clean energy to offset the emissions created during its manufacturing, but we're seeing many low quality panels die as soon as 2 years after they were installed. And since we have no recycling system in Australia right now they just get dumped straight into land fills. It seems extremely likely that the solar panel boom in Australia has actually caused more pollution than it has offset due to low quality panels. Our government has also subsidized this process, essentially giving an advantage to the solar industry on the assumption it's good for the environment.
Good quality panels however probably can last long enough to reduce overall emissions, but without a proper recycling system I still don't see it as being very beneficial, and I would also ask if the average person is able to afford a high end solar system in the hopes it will last decade and eventually start saving them money once it pays for its self. That is a major reason many people opt for the cheaper systems and pay less qualified people to install it. As far as I can see right now, solar tech still needs to become better at producing energy at a lower price before it will become a truly cost effective solution, until them this idea that green tech costs less really is a form of propaganda.
originally posted by: Flatcoat
I think the fact that co2 makes up only 4% of all greenhouse gases, water vapor makes up 95%, yet, for some reason, co2 is blamed for 100% of global warming, is enough reason to ignore all current climate alarmist predictions.