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JAGStorm didn't like The Irishman

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posted on Dec, 16 2019 @ 12:28 PM
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I just watched that long long movie, The Irishman.

It was ok, but I don't think it deserved the accolades it is getting. I don't trust reviews that much anymore, but it sure seems like they are either hyping this movie up or a lot of people really do like it.

First of all I absolutely hated the age reversing cgi or whatever that was. Of course we all love those
actors, but they are OLD, not like grandpa old, but like GREAT grandpa old. It's time to bring in a new string of actors and give them a shot. I did like the small part Sebastian Maniscalco played!
I'm really tired of old actors in general. If they are old, they should play older parts. Sure give or take 10/15 years, but going back 40/50 years is too much for me. Not just with the guys, but tired of the 70 years old ladies trying to play parts that should really go to 20 year olds.
These old guys made their classics. To me the age thing was very distracting. Watching De Niro move he looked like a stiff 100 old man, not a 30/40 something he played. You can change the face but the movements gave it away. Some of the expression were really weird and distracting too.

The story-line was also very predictable. To me there was zero suspense. It really felt like any other Italian mob movie, but just add in
the unions in this story.

I love Al Pachino, but I think he was a terrible Hoffa. First of all Hoffa was German/Irish. When I think of Pacino that is the last thing I think of. Maybe youngins that don't really know about Hoffa are ok with this. Maybe I know too many German/Irish people. Al Pacino is as Italian as it gets.
I think this is a very very important detail of the time and ill casting. Growing up I know that my Grandparents who were German/Irish couldn't stand Italians, my grandpa wouldn't even allow Italian food in the house! The sentiment was very similar to that of some Americans against Mexicans today. Very very similar. To give you a clear example, this would be like Denzel Washington playing a KKK leader and expecting us to believe it. That is an extreme example. In some ways I think the subtle example is worse.

Overall, it's an OK movie but not one that I would watch again, and that is shocking for me for a Martin Scorsese film.




posted on Dec, 16 2019 @ 12:43 PM
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Huh.

I actually really liked it. I liked all the little details. Including the bit about Hoffa's stepson. It really made me think about what happened to him, and the fact that we will more than likely never know.

Funny, I just watched Taxi Driver yesterday. It was the first time I've watched the whole thing. And now, comparing his (Scorsese) films from then, to know, he sure has come a long way, as well as the technology.



posted on Dec, 16 2019 @ 01:11 PM
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I watched it twice and it was better than Goodfellas IMO (I personally thought Casino was more ambitious and more challenging to watch than Goodfellas too). And the story that is at the center of The Irishman is probably not true so I don't think they were aiming at 100% accuracy. At the end of the day, if you expect accuracy, you're being expected to believe the mystery has been solved. So why couldn't Al Pacino be Hoffa in that world? LOL

IOW, I think this movie is more about telling a story than being accurate. At any rate, it's a hell of a movie for a director who was making great movies before I was born.

Off the top of my head, Heat was better than The Irishman but Heat was not a Scorsese film. Anyway, half the people making movies couldn't make a film half as good as The Irishman with twice the technology. It was better than just OK.

EDIT - OK. The artificial de-aging was not great. Obviously it would have been better if these actors had all still been in their prime but I'd rather see old man De Niro doing this role than just about anyone else.
edit on 16-12-2019 by BrianFlanders because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 16 2019 @ 01:41 PM
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Ummm...thanks for the heads up...

I probably wont be watching it...I've never thought Robert De Niro was a good actor...Never cared for him...I always thought of him as someone just reading the lines...not acting or placing himself in the role...

Perhaps it's because of the typecast nature of everything I've seen him in...?

I have liked Pacino in most of his roles however...







YouSir



posted on Dec, 16 2019 @ 01:51 PM
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Agree. This movie was like watching old men watching old men watching paint dry.

It was a tired wannabe Godfather/Goodfellas.

It looked like these old friend/actors were making a buddy movie but they just don't have "it" or energy anymore; they are spent.

Really dragged and was overlong. I'm really confused by the accolades but believe it was De Niro and Pacinos swan song.

Ug. Not enjoyable. I can still taste the sawdust.



posted on Dec, 16 2019 @ 02:14 PM
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Agree. This movie was like watching old men watching old men watching paint dry.

It was a tired wannabe Godfather/Goodfellas.


That is the most perfect description of this movie. Goodfellas happens to be one of my favs, so this one was really disappointing for me. The storyline moved as slow as the actors!



posted on Dec, 16 2019 @ 02:15 PM
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originally posted by: Floridadreamin
Agree. This movie was like watching old men watching old men watching paint dry.

It was a tired wannabe Godfather/Goodfellas.

It looked like these old friend/actors were making a buddy movie but they just don't have "it" or energy anymore; they are spent.


Ummmm...

So your criticism of this movie is that the actors are old and the themes reflect that? Seriously?



posted on Dec, 16 2019 @ 02:18 PM
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I watched it twice and it was better than Goodfellas IMO


wow, no way would I consider this anywhere near the likes of Goodfellas.
Goodfellas kept my attention the whole time. It was well rounded, the storyline was fresh. I can watch that movie over and over again and still be entertained. The Irishman was once and one, and that might have been too much.



posted on Dec, 16 2019 @ 02:25 PM
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Nothing against old men. I am old myself.

Lots of different themes that could have been a good movie. But this was obviously written as a vehicle for two actors who have seen better days. And acted better. Trying to act 40 years younger was ridiculous. The subject and theme were inviting but it was executed by a sleeping director/producer.

Everyone needed B12 shots and I needed no-doze.



posted on Dec, 16 2019 @ 02:34 PM
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originally posted by: JAGStorm
a reply to: BrianFlanders




I watched it twice and it was better than Goodfellas IMO


wow, no way would I consider this anywhere near the likes of Goodfellas.
Goodfellas kept my attention the whole time. It was well rounded, the storyline was fresh. I can watch that movie over and over again and still be entertained. The Irishman was once and one, and that might have been too much.


Maybe I'm just over Goodfellas. I'm sure I'd be over this one too if I'd seen it as many times as I've seen Goodfellas. Goodfellas was great 25 years ago when it was still fresh. It's still great now if you just saw it for the first (or 20th time). I've BTDT and was ready for something a bit different.



posted on Dec, 16 2019 @ 02:45 PM
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originally posted by: Floridadreamin
a reply to: BrianFlanders

Nothing against old men. I am old myself.

Lots of different themes that could have been a good movie. But this was obviously written as a vehicle for two actors who have seen better days. And acted better. Trying to act 40 years younger was ridiculous. The subject and theme were inviting but it was executed by a sleeping director/producer.

Everyone needed B12 shots and I needed no-doze.



Hmmm. Well, if I see one more lousy comic book movie with awesome special effects and the worst story and acting I've ever seen, it will be 50 too many.



posted on Dec, 16 2019 @ 02:51 PM
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Except for Thor/Chris Hemsworth and Robert Downey Jr. One for brains and the other for...well..you get it.

My adult kids love the comic movies. They are formulaic and action-packed and don't try to over-deliver their entertainment. They stay in their lane.

I don't want to see any more remakes like Little Women. Ug. The 5th one is so boring. The original and second from the 40s was perfection.



posted on Dec, 16 2019 @ 02:58 PM
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Tried to watch it - was even prepared to stomach seeing De Niro.
Fell asleep after 45 minutes.



posted on Dec, 16 2019 @ 03:05 PM
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originally posted by: UKTruth
Tried to watch it - was even prepared to stomach seeing De Niro.
Fell asleep after 45 minutes.




You didn't miss much...



posted on Dec, 16 2019 @ 03:26 PM
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originally posted by: UKTruth
Tried to watch it - was even prepared to stomach seeing De Niro.
Fell asleep after 45 minutes.


Second half was worse.

I think this was a total missed opportunity.

The story of Hoffa / the unions is a really unique one. It should be told. I think this was just a bad way of doing it.



posted on Dec, 16 2019 @ 03:30 PM
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originally posted by: JAGStorm

originally posted by: UKTruth
Tried to watch it - was even prepared to stomach seeing De Niro.
Fell asleep after 45 minutes.


Second half was worse.

I think this was a total missed opportunity.

The story of Hoffa / the unions is a really unique one. It should be told. I think this was just a bad way of doing it.


I don't think Scorsese has copyrighted it or anything.



posted on Dec, 16 2019 @ 03:47 PM
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The story of Hoffa / the unions is a really unique one. It should be told. I think this was just a bad way of doing it.


Just watch Hoffa with Jack Nickleson and Danny Devito.



posted on Dec, 16 2019 @ 04:06 PM
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a reply to: UKTruth

I fell asleep too but to be fair, I'd been at work that day.

I feel the same about Deniro though. The guy should keep his f#cking trap shut about politics and retire gracefully.



posted on Dec, 16 2019 @ 05:02 PM
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Didn’t watch it and have no plans on watching it. There’s one vile word in it I despise .

De Nero
edit on 16-12-2019 by Fallingdown because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 16 2019 @ 05:09 PM
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originally posted by: Fallingdown
Didn’t watch it and have no plans on watching it. There’s one vile word in it I despise .

De Nero


I liked him in other movies, in this one, no. Terrible.




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