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Excessesive Force

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posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 11:15 PM
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I dont like that i dont really know where to push or send this idea to. I dont personally know anybody that has been affected by this. But would take great consideration the effort it might take to get this looked at not nessasarly considered. Cops on a street level should not be able to have guns. Having tazors and the use of backup, there should be an elite force that has guns. They are there to protect and serve. If it is a gun crime, use the elite team who is specialised to make those final choices. I think that in respect of those that have been affected by this, would appreciate it.




posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 11:27 PM
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Often that kind of situation needs a quick and immediate response. When lives are at stake there’s no time to wait for a special team to arrive.



posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 11:29 PM
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How does having guns or not affect police use of excessive force? Example: Rodney King
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posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 11:29 PM
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Someone willing to make positive suggestions... It's a start. Bravo....



posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 11:31 PM
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a reply to: thefourthjokerscard

Criminals would exploit the delay in escalated force. They could get away easily if they themselves had guns and knew to equal the force, another officer would have to be dispatched to the scene with firepower.



posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 11:40 PM
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a reply to: Stupidsecrets

Another good point.

Gun free police patrols. Maybe they can be protected by legally carrying citizens while waiting for an armed officer to arrive.
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posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 11:44 PM
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May the excessive force be with you.



posted on Dec, 15 2019 @ 12:03 AM
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a reply to: thefourthjokerscard

You know what helps avoid excessive force ? Complying , not breaking the law in the first place. 99.9 percent it will be avoided !



posted on Dec, 15 2019 @ 12:11 AM
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originally posted by: beyondknowledge
How does having guns or not affect police use of excessive force? Example: Rodney King


Street cops should be under constant and real-time scrutiny. If you want to prevent them from being arrogant trigger-happy, puppy killing bastards with low regard for the public, they should feel eyes in their backs 24/7. Why? Because as soon as a newbie cop leaves the academy and hits the locker-room of his/her new precinct, they’ll be submitted to peer pressure from the veterans full of piss and vinegar.



posted on Dec, 15 2019 @ 12:38 AM
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originally posted by: Plotus
Someone willing to make positive suggestions... It's a start. Bravo....

Turn POLICE forces into security guards by *hamstringing them* (they are competing for the same job). Add another law enforcement arm that piggybacks the existing just like what happened when the CIA was created. This was such a bad idea; now we have a rogue agency that even the Presidents own Marines would have a problem eliminating.



posted on Dec, 15 2019 @ 12:43 AM
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originally posted by: 2Faced

originally posted by: beyondknowledge
How does having guns or not affect police use of excessive force? Example: Rodney King


Street cops should be under constant and real-time scrutiny. If you want to prevent them from being arrogant trigger-happy, puppy killing bastards with low regard for the public, they should feel eyes in their backs 24/7. Why? Because as soon as a newbie cop leaves the academy and hits the locker-room of his/her new precinct, they’ll be submitted to peer pressure from the veterans full of piss and vinegar.

You know this as a fact how? You sound petulant; did you fail academy entrance exams? Street cops bad; other?! desk jockey cops good.



posted on Dec, 15 2019 @ 12:49 AM
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That's how it works in the UK and we don't have an issue with gun crime in the same manner the US does.

Thing is we don't have guns in the same numbers in our nation nether.

The fact of the matter is that as long as a significant percentage of the population choose to wield such weaponry, defensively or offensively, Police are going to be required to also carry guns.



posted on Dec, 15 2019 @ 12:52 AM
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I'll just leave you with a saying we have here in the states. When seconds count...police are only minutes away.



posted on Dec, 15 2019 @ 12:59 AM
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originally posted by: RickyD
I'll just leave you with a saying we have here in the states. When seconds count...police are only minutes away.

That translates to AN ETERNITY away...



posted on Dec, 15 2019 @ 01:01 AM
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Unless they are in your back garden blowing away your poor dog because it looked at them the wrong way.

Then they are only seconds away from whatever they choose to do next.

Producing a gun for protection then might not end too well for you or the animal.



posted on Dec, 15 2019 @ 01:06 AM
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originally posted by: thefourthjokerscard
I dont like that i dont really know where to push or send this idea to. I dont personally know anybody that has been affected by this. But would take great consideration the effort it might take to get this looked at not nessasarly considered. Cops on a street level should not be able to have guns. Having tazors and the use of backup, there should be an elite force that has guns. They are there to protect and serve. If it is a gun crime, use the elite team who is specialised to make those final choices. I think that in respect of those that have been affected by this, would appreciate it.


Americans are guaranteed guns due to the second amendment.
In my opinion Cops should have the same protection as the average citizen.

I hope you can understand your position is not lawfully correct.



posted on Dec, 15 2019 @ 01:13 AM
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a reply to: andy06shake

Or the officer that chose to do the irresponsible thing. Where I come from shots in the back yard may be answered with shots from the backdoor or bedroom window...especially if they didn't announce themselves. Do cops # up...yes...do they answer for it...sometimes.



posted on Dec, 15 2019 @ 01:14 AM
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a reply to: randomtangentsrme

And that there sums it up in a nutshell.

I suppose one possible solution would be the invention of nonlethal rounds that tazed perps as opposed to the hollow-point rounds that cause all the damage used by most police.

About as much chance of beam weapons becoming a thing i suppose.



posted on Dec, 15 2019 @ 01:15 AM
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a reply to: thefourthjokerscard

Cops should definitely be armed as long as the citizens can be. If anything, the police need way better training and regular mental health checks. I'll pay the taxes for that.



posted on Dec, 15 2019 @ 01:16 AM
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a reply to: RickyD

Escalation of that matter whether you are in the right or wrong is hardly going to help matters through.

After all, there are always more of them than there are of you.

Shooting at Police is never going to end well, 99 times out of 100.



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