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Virginia Gov. Threatening to use NG to Enforce Gun Control

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posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 04:31 PM
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a reply to: BoscoMoney

The resolve of "cold dead fingers" is strong!

Bring it! Cut the head off the snake!

Molon Labe


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posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 04:31 PM
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a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

Good job putting words in my mouth. Very transparent of you.


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posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 04:34 PM
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a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Go home, little boy!

It's past your bedtime.



posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 04:45 PM
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a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Good one! Did you get that one from your grandkids? 🤣



posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 04:55 PM
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a reply to: projectvxn


Considering his Idea of Alleged " Gun Control " in a State who's Citizens are Protected by the Second Amendment , I Fail to see this Idea Ever Holding Up in a Court of Law in Any District . His Idea is a Fools Errand .



posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 04:57 PM
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a reply to: projectvxn

they would do well to remember how the battle of Athens went

www.constitution.org... this was Eleanor Roosevelt take on the matter


McMinn A Warning — By Eleanor Roosevelt New York, Monday — After any war, the use of force throughout the world is almost taken for granted. Men involved in the war have been trained to use force, and they have discovered that, when you want something, you can take it. The return to peacetime methods governed by law and persuasion is usually difficult. We in the U.S.A., who have long boasted that, in our political life, freedom in the use of the secret ballot made it possible for us to register the will of the people without the use of force, have had a rude awakening as we read of conditions in McMinn County, Tennessee, which brought about the use of force in the recent primary. If a political machine does not allow the people free expression, then freedom-loving people lose their faith in the machinery under which their government functions. In this particular case, a group of young veterans organized to oust the local machine and elect their own slate in the primary. We may deplore the use of force but we must also recognize the lesson which this incident points for us all. When the majority of the people know what they want, they will obtain it. Any local, state or national government, or any political machine, in order to live, must give the people assurance that they can express their will freely and that their votes will be counted. The most powerful machine cannot exist without the support of the people. Political bosses and political machinery can be good, but the minute they cease to express the will of the people, their days are numbered. This is a lesson which wise political leaders learn young, and you can be pretty sure that, when a boss stays in power, he gives the majority of the people what they think they want. If he is bad and indulges in practices which are dishonest, or if he acts for his own interests alone, the people are unwilling to condone these practices. When the people decide that conditions in their town, county, state or country must change, they will change them. If the leadership has been wise, they will be able to do it peacefully through a secret ballot which is honestly counted, but if the leader has become inflated and too sure of his own importance, he may bring about the kind of action which was taken in Tennessee. If we want to continue to be a mature people who, at home and abroad, settle our difficulties peacefully and not through the use of force, then we will take to heart this lesson and we will jealously guard our rights. What goes on before an election, the threats or persuasion by political leaders, may be bad but it cannot prevent the people from really registering their will if they wish to. The decisive action which has just occurred in our midst is a warning, and one which we cannot afford to overlook.
so they had the support of the first lady when they did what they did and another snippit from the time line that shows exactly how despicable the police acted in this incident they took hostages and threatened their lives ,good thing the GI's won

Sheriff Pat Mansfield and Deputies Threaten Hostages 11:00 pm Sheriff Pan Mansfield and deputies threatened to kill three GI hostages held within the jailhouse. The three GI hostages are Felix Harrod, Tom Dooley and Walter Ellis. Thousands of Rounds Exchanged 11:35 pm-12:40 am Thousands of rounds of shots were exchanged between ex-GIs and an estimated 75 deputies barricaded in the McMinn County jail. No state guardsman had arrived at 12:40. Former soldiers were pouring lead into every opening in the brick jail. The officers' returning fire was weakening. Some GIs were firing from ground level across White Street. Others were on roofs on the Power Company Building and other near-by structures. Tennessee State Guard Mobilized? 12:00 am (midnight) State Adj.-Gen. Hilton Butler announced that he was mobilizing the Sixth Regiment of the State Guard in connection with election violence in McMinn County. This report was later proven untrue. GIs Cut Telephone Lines To The Jail 1:00 am GIs cut telephone lines to the jail. The officers, inside the jail, were out of ammunition or running extremely low. Firing of the GIs included rapid bursts of 10 or more shots. Apparently they were using some automatic rifles. Last Warning! Deputies Threaten Hostages' Lives 2:00 am Deputies sent out last warning that they would kill three GI hostages within the jail immediately if the firing did not end. GIs Replied With Ultimatum Of Their Own 2:20 am GIs issued an ultimatum to the deputies to come out with hands upraised or the crowd would rush the jail. GIs Escalate The Fight With Use of Dynamite 2:59 am The ex-GIs went into action with demolition charges — home made, but effective. After a fourth blast had rocked the jail one of the deputies leaned from the building and shouted "Stop that blasting. We'll give up — we're dying in here. Firing continued a few moments then stopped. The Deputies Surrendered
keep in mind these were ww2 combat vets with the keys to the armory and they vastly out gunned the cops possessing tommy guns vs the cops rifles and hand guns and later the GI's used dynamite in their siege of the jail,of note no GI was charged and one even won the fair election and the national guard refused to deploy at least in this case vs ww2 veterans despite the governors pleas

www.constitution.org... general info on the "battle"



posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 04:58 PM
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originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: DBCowboy

I'm saying you're bigoted towards anyone who doesn't support Trump.

Like I said, wear it proudly. 😁


What does Trump have to do with any of this? You have one of the worst cases of TDS on this site ive ever seen




posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 05:00 PM
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originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
What's sad is the fact that the politicians saying all this stuff won't be the ones on the front lines of this supposed war, it'll be you and whoever else you deem an enemy. They'll be sitting fat and happy in their luxury condo laughing at your gullibility in starting a war for them.


Not likely. What you suggest would require an unrealistic amount of loyalty to said Governor on the part of the National Guard.

And then after that, the President has the power to step in and countermand any order from the governor..


To be fair thats exactly what happened during Katrina, the local law enforcement and National Guard, went house to house confiscating weapons, and people never got them back.

So to say this COULDNT happen is a bit of a stretch, it already has.



posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 05:03 PM
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a reply to: SailorJerry

And ATS has a very severe case of DDS, so severe in fact that Democrats are the main topic of discussion in 9 out of 10 front page threads daily.

Now go back to being angry and emotional. It's what you guys are best at. 😁



posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 05:05 PM
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so severe in fact that Democrats are the main topic of discussion in 9 out of 10 front page threads daily.


Well thats kind of what happens when the democrats are running up for election.

Thats also what happens when democrats have had a scandal or some "investigation" going on every other month for 4 years straight.

Its not any different than when the news headlines whats happening currently.

But I suppose youd have to use common sense to sus that out, hence here you are, complaining, again.




Now go back to being angry and emotional. It's what you guys are best at.


You might want to look into a mirror on that, your projection is legendary, I do love how you use your avatar name as some sort of sick irony though
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posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 05:06 PM
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Amy Swearer, a legal policy analyst who works on gun control issues, agreed that the governor has the right to use the Virginia National Guard to enforce the law, though it would break from past mobilizations.

“When you look at the historical reality of when governors or presidents have mobilized the National Guard, it has been to enforce the rights of citizens when they were being infringed upon,” Swearer told the Washington Examiner.

“But to suggest the National Guard would be brought in to otherwise peaceful jurisdictions to enforce restrictions on constitutional rights, that would be completely unprecedented in terms of how the National Guard has been used when it’s mobilized to restore law and order.”


Amy is an idiot.

That same amendment that guarantees the persons right to own a firearm is the same GD one that guarantees the STATE RIGHT to have militias.

And for those that seem to forget exactly what the second says:



Amendment II


A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.



Can't take away one without taking away the other.

Militia's.

The RIGHT of the people to keep and bear arms ( doesn't say jacksnip about what they look like or how many rounds they can hold)

Are necessary to the security of a free state.

If that VA governor actually does this.

Congratulations you now live in a police state.





posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 05:06 PM
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Governors come and go. As do all politicians. The gun owners are the “constant”.



posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 05:10 PM
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a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

unless the guard gets federalized by trump and then decides to deploy them over seas , he cant just federalize them willy nilly for US role but he can order them deployed to say Afghanistan or Iraq. i think other then that they an only be federalized like they were for the LA riots by bush the first , or 2006 when bush the 2nd sent them to the border and Obama in 2010 so i guess he could in theory deploy them to the US/Mexico border under guise of national security and neuter the governors ability to deploy them for gun confiscation but that may lead to the courts


this is an extra stupid act by the Virginia's governor following betos "hell yeah were gonna take your ar's" statement as the gun lobby (nra etc) has been arguing confiscation is the democrats goal for over 50 years so far with not many actual attempts outside of the new red flag laws ,and the last thing the dems want right now is more gun cases going before the SCOTUS and setting national precidents



posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 05:15 PM
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a reply to: Shamrock6

that and bloomberg spent a good deal of money on the elections in virgina recently and we know how he feels about guns ,odd that VA is ok with New yorkers helping establish policy in the state from far away


www.washingtonpost.com... ressional-levels/2019/10/31/2f4ece76-fbfb-11e9-8906-ab6b60de9124_story.html

But few outsiders have made as big an impact as Bloomberg, the former Republican mayor who has become a crusader for gun control and climate. Everytown for Gun Safety, founded by Bloomberg, has given more than $2.5 million to help Democrats get elected. That has included $770,000 in digital advertising, nearly half a million in direct mail, $250,000 for polling and more than $300,000 in TV ads for candidates in suburban districts in Hampton Roads, Richmond and Northern Virginia.
and it seems sadly for pro gun Virginians it payed off for them



posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 05:22 PM
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a reply to: RalagaNarHallas

Yep, it’s pretty shocking. I can’t find it now but I read an article the other day about how staggeringly outspent the NRA was in Virginia, of all places, when it comes to the last couple of years. And now they want to pop up and do the whole “we’re helping!” routine.



posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 05:26 PM
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a reply to: SailorJerry

So let me get this straight. If you complain about Democrats every day of your life, it's a-ok, bur as soon as a commission about Trump, I have a mental disease.

Nice logic you got going there.



posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 05:31 PM
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originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: SailorJerry

So let me get this straight. If you complain about Democrats every day of your life, it's a-ok, bur as soon as a commission about Trump, I have a mental disease.

Nice logic you got going there.


No you have a mental problem if you interject Trump into literally everything.

This thread didnt have anything to do with Trump, yet here you pop up, Trumping it up! THAT is clear TDS



posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 05:41 PM
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But the children, why won't any one think of die kinder? I would seriously hate to be the guy in the VNG that thinks it would be a good idea to disarm any community.



posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 05:43 PM
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townhall.com... seems the sheriffs aren't willing to do confiscation hence the Governor wanting to use the guard seems that local police are also against it

Culpeper County Sheriff Scott Jenkins praised the Board of Supervisors for passing a Second Amendment sanctuary provision. "I remain very optimistic that our General Assembly will not pass the proposed bills. Obviously, if passed, there are many of us willing to challenge these laws through the courts. In addition, if necessary, I plan to properly screen and deputize thousands of our law-abiding citizens to protect their constitutional right to own firearms," Jenkins added. In deep-blue Fairfax County, which is just outside of Washington, D.C., the Board of Supervisors has made it clear it has no intention of declaring the county as a sanctuary. The Fairfax County Sheriff’s Office forwarded a statement from Chairman Sharon Bulova to Townhall.
Sherrifs can deputize the citizenry then they are exempt from the gun laws (as are most police from most forms of gun control besides federal class 3 regulations)

the governor has already threatened to cut off funding to local pd and sheriffs departments over this too www.washingtonexaminer.com... ontrol

Democratic Virginia Rep. Donald McEachin suggested cutting off state funds to counties that do not comply with any gun control measures that pass in Richmond. “They certainly risk funding, because if the sheriff's department is not going to enforce the law, they're going to lose money. The counties' attorneys offices are not going to have the money to prosecute because their prosecutions are going to go down,” he said. McEachin also noted that Democratic Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam could call the National Guard, if necessary.
now this would be an extreme measure by the reps as it sure would be a shame if all the police decided to get the "blue flu" all at once and decide to just park the cruisers and not patrol for any crimes due to lack of funds , i mean it sure would be a shame if criminals knew they had a carte blanche for 24-48 hours knowing police will not be responding to anything ,some may even think a tour of the governors mansion would be in order..... wonder how big the governors security detail is.......

and as the only way to remove a sheriff in theory is impeachment i do not believe the dems have the votes because its 18 dems to 19 republicans in the senate of Virginia apps.senate.virginia.gov...

and 49 dems to 50 republicans in the house of virginia

law.lis.virginia.gov... and im not even sure IF you can impeach a Sheriff in Virginia

Section 17. Impeachment The Governor, Lieutenant Governor, Attorney General, judges, members of the State Corporation Commission, and all officers appointed by the Governor or elected by the General Assembly, offending against the Commonwealth by malfeasance in office, corruption, neglect of duty, or other high crime or misdemeanor may be impeached by the House of Delegates and prosecuted before the Senate, which shall have the sole power to try impeachments. When sitting for that purpose, the senators shall be on oath or affirmation, and no person shall be convicted without the concurrence of two-thirds of the senators present. Judgment in case of impeachment shall not extend further than removal from office and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust, or profit under the Commonwealth; but the person convicted shall nevertheless be subject to indictment, trial, judgment, and punishment according to law. The Senate may sit during the recess of the General Assembly for the trial of impeachments.
so did not see Sheriffs there so lets hope the governor decides to listen to the people of Virginia as im sure he does not want to preside over the first possible show down between the Nat Guard and disgruntled Sheriffs with the backing of what seems like a good deal of the citizenry



posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 05:43 PM
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a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Inaction in the face of tyranny is really the abdication of responsibility by the people.

Tyranny is not a responsibility-free condition. It is not a catch 22.

You may be damned if you do, but youll be dead if you dont. That is the cost of liberty.




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edit on 12 14 2019 by projectvxn because: (no reason given)




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