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posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 08:28 AM
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Pelosi ignores the prudent advice of a vote of censure rather than full on impeachment? If 16 Democrats vote no, it fails. If it goes to the Senate it fails. A censure itself is only a moral victory, but one that is attainable. And one that allows the most Democrats to keep from looking like abject incompetence to their own supporters.

A failed impeachment vote would be an embarrassment.
Killed by the Senate looks bad.
Censure looks weak, but at least it is a win.




posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 08:32 AM
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a reply to: Ahabstar

I'm leaning towards censure, then they can claim a moral victory and end the obviously doomed to fail process.



posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 08:45 AM
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The dems are so desperate, I heard that Pelosi was saying something about "hiding Trump's umbrella, because the weather forecast said rain was expected."



posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 08:46 AM
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So What Happens Next Week If



The nation finds another story to pick sides on.

Everyone knew this one wasn't going anywhere, but it still riled up the masses.



posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 08:51 AM
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perhaps they can tuck the impeachment articles away until February of 2020, when they can retool and find something new to throw tantrums about. I doubt anyone really believes that the left will stop their flailing and screaming. This anger fest will continue until Trump is sitting back with a cigar in 2025, looking back at all he and his party were able to accomplish.


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posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 08:51 AM
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This impeachment has help to expose the corruption of the Democratic Party. No matter how it plays out. They come off as the losers.


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posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 08:52 AM
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I don’t see censure happenings.

Their current message is that Trump cheated in 2016 and will cheat in 2020.

How can they say that and only censure?



posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 09:00 AM
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Why wouldn’t they go all the way on impeachment? Do people really believe that Donald Trump being removed from office was the goal of any of this?

My worst fear is Republicans turning on Donald Trump and removing him from office. Then they’d get to claim a moral victory and would hold the moral high card. And that would just enable them to continue their stranglehold on American politics.

As long as they stay anchored to Donald Trump, their political party lives and dies with him.


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posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 09:02 AM
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I think I'm with you and Augustus. Censure gives them the political talking points going into election year, they can "scold" the Prez and magically provide themselves with 15-second-talking-bites for their re-election campaign, and they don't have to be humiliated any further by whatever the Senate might do.

For what it's worth, I don't think there's a chance in hell of the Senate conducting a trial. I would lovelovelove to be wrong, but I just don't see that happening. Even if it goes to the Senate, I expect that McConnell would take any immediate vote, which would overwhelmingly acquit the Prez, and McConnell would say the time and expense of a trial for a known outcome would be unnecessary and improper.



posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 09:08 AM
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My worst fear is Republicans turning on Donald Trump and removing him from office. Then they’d get to claim a moral victory and would hold the moral high card. And that would just enable them to continue their stranglehold on American politics.


This still just gridlocked congress for an unachievable goal.

If anything, it galvenized his base.

Dems would have been better off not doing this. I bet they lose seats because of how some will vote. No matter what, they'll piss of some of their own base, independents, and moderate Republicans.

A better move would have been to propose meaningful legislation, and if it didn't pass use that in 2020 if the nation agreed with that platform..



posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 09:12 AM
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originally posted by: underwerks
Why wouldn’t they go all the way on impeachment? Do people really believe that Donald Trump being removed from office was the goal of any of this?

My worst fear is Republicans turning on Donald Trump and removing him from office. Then they’d get to claim a moral victory and would hold the moral high card. And that would just enable them to continue their stranglehold on American politics.

As long as they stay anchored to Donald Trump, their political party lives and dies with him.




As much as I would like to see the circus of a Senate trial, it would expose the President to the possibility of impeachment. Who knows what kind of drummed up evidence the left can come up with. They do have the assistance of some intelligence assets.

I wouldn’t take the chance.



posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 09:18 AM
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If anything, it galvenized his base.


When has his base not been galvanized? Who cares if the same fanatics aren’t swayed by any of this?

Trying to persuade Donald Trump cultists to vote differently is a lost cause. It’s wasted energy. There is no changing what they believe. Their hate for other Americans who think differently than they do eclipses anything else.



posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 09:21 AM
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Trump was fairly honest when he said that Republicans have taken in a load of donations because people are against this impeachment farce compared to the Democrats who are getting jack out of it.

A win, no matter how small, is still a win. It would be prudent for the Dems to not play the role of Icarus here. But stability hasn’t been their strong suit in decades.

I can think of only two ways out for the Dems: Censure or blame it all on Pelosi and Schiff with a vote of No Confidence for tabling the motion against Schiff. Letting this go on to the Senate, means that Schiff and his staff can be called to answer questions about the interaction with the original whistleblower.

I said it as Nancy was on her initial ramble back in September, she’s killed the DNC. There are two ways out now and honestly it might be too late for either of them now.



posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 09:22 AM
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When has his base not been galvanized? Who cares if the same fanatics aren’t swayed by any of this?


I worded that wrong.

It can galvanize some who voted for him, but aren't avid supporters.

Many Republicans didn't like him, many independents didn't and still don't like him, but alas, he won.

His approval numbers haven't been fantastic... But who's going to have better footing in 2020? The right who can claim which hunts true or not? (because all of the attempts will have failed to nail him)

Or the left who put all effort into nailing him, and did nothing with their positions, and nothing to sell America on their platforms (the exceptions would be Yang, Tulsi, and Bernie IMO).



posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 09:34 AM
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originally posted by: underwerks
Their hate for other Americans who think differently than they do eclipses anything else.


Kinda like the Hate Dems have shown since Trump was elected? It eclipses everything else.

Yeah I think You got that reflection thing going on there.



posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 09:36 AM
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Nancy knows AOC and the loony radicals would be mad at her if it was only censure.
Nancy is afraid of her new masters.



posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 09:39 AM
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originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: Ahabstar


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The nation finds another story to pick sides on.

Everyone knew this one wasn't going anywhere, but it still riled up the masses.


Ahhh....I see where you are confused.

Only the rational ppl knew this was going nowhere.

If pollsters can be believed.....hahahaha...... (gasps for air).......hahahaha, almost half the populous believe Trump should be impeached. Those ppl, obviously are so desperate in their hatred, that rationality escapes them, to the point that they would shred the constitution, if it serves their purposes.



posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 09:42 AM
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I still want him to go all Cocaine Mitch and drag it out for payback. Humiliate 'em but good; peel back the corruption. Of course, too many Reps might get caught up in that.I sense that Ukraine was a general source of corrupt money for politicians.



posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 09:46 AM
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a reply to: Ahabstar

The Democrats are past the point of no return now.

They live and die with the consequences of their actions.

The American public isn't that interested or thrilled with the whole Impeachment thing.

The Democrats did this to themselves.



posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 09:47 AM
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If pollsters can be believed.....hahahaha...... (gasps for air).......hahahaha, almost half the populous believe Trump should be impeached. Those ppl, obviously are so desperate in their hatred, that rationality escapes them, to the point that they would shred the constitution, if it serves their purposes.


I like the polls where you have to change the results by laying down cash. Casinos aren't always right, but their numbers are typically closer than polls.



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