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My personal view of the 2019 UK election

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posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 10:17 AM
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a reply to: Freeborn



I don't know where you get the impression that MSM was trying to influence a 'leftist' victory, most news outlets are fiercely pro-Conservative.


On the contrary! Most MSM media outlets are fiercely globalist and socialist which is a left agenda, not a conservative one! And there's a BIG difference! Anyone who thinks the MSM in the UK and the US is fiercely conservative needs to get their head examined...cos it's broken!

Your conclusion is truly laughable!




posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 10:19 AM
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a reply to: Zcustosmorum



And yet from the way you talk you seem happy about it?


Not at all.
But I do recognise that many people voted for Boris and The Tory's because they simply viewed them as the least worse choice.
The options available were truly appalling.

If that is the best the UK has to offer we may as well just give up the pretence of being a democracy and allow the political mandarins and senior Civil Servants free reign.
None of them were/are in any way shape or form suitable or fit for high office.

A damning indictment of the UK.

But we have to acknowledge that in accordance with UK Law and procedure Boris Johnson has been elected Prime Minister and we should judge him on his acts and deeds.
Will he deliver on his election promises?

Only time will tell.



There's a Tory government in charge, I am far from feeling smug about it.


Neither am I but that's the reality of it.
And as much as it pains me to say this but it's a less frightening prospect than it being a Labour government under Corbyn.

If you don't like the system that allowed Boris into Downing Street then do something to change that system....pretty straight forward.
Something I've been doing for a number of years now.



So your true colours finally shine through......


In what way?

It's straight forward as far as I see things;
I'm sick to death of being told by arrogant, self-opinionated, middle class tossers and politically correct snowflake, condescending know-it-all's that I don't know what I voted for, that I'm ill informed, that I'm stupid, or that my opinion is worthless.



posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 10:20 AM
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a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Sorry, which UK domestic MSM news outlets do you read/watch on a daily basis?



posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 10:24 AM
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a reply to: Freeborn



It's straight forward as far as I see things;
I'm sick to death of being told by arrogant, self-opinionated, middle class tossers and politically correct snowflake, condescending know-it-all's that I don't know what I voted for, that I'm ill informed, that I'm stupid, or that my opinion is worthless.


And what exactly did you for vote for? Seeing as you replied to my post which was aimed at Tory voters


Additionally and aside from a Tory government not being good for Scotland, I very much doubt it will be good for the poorer classes of England, NI and Wales either



posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 10:24 AM
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a reply to: Freeborn



If you don't like the system that allowed Boris into Downing Street then do something to change that system....pretty straight forward.


That's the spirit! Don't like the outcome...change the system...and keep changing it until you get the outcome YOU want! Brilliant!

We've got those same people here in the US too. They don't like the outcome, so now they want to change the system (i.e. the Electoral College). Piss and moan until the system changes to ensure the result YOU want.

Unbelievable...but unfortunately expected.
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posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 10:27 AM
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a reply to: Freeborn

I try to read them all in a hopeless search for balance, which I never find.



posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 10:33 AM
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originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: SocratesJohnson



I don't know where you get the impression that MSM was trying to influence a 'leftist' victory, most news outlets are fiercely pro-Conservative.




I can't believe people like this still exist in 2019. With all the information available to make ignorant comments like this . This is why the loony left getaway with what they do . A base filled with people like this !. Truly amazing anyone can be this slow.


I am greatful for my friends in the UK who sent a strong message to the left !
Good for them



posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 10:35 AM
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a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Not at all.

I've been advocating radical electoral and parliamentary reform for donkey's years now.

Our party political system is no longer fit for purpose and is most definitely NOT representative of the people's wishes.
It is controlled by a political elite across the political spectrum who wish to maintain the status quo in order to keep their place at the trough.

The past three years have clearly shown how totally ineffective and unfit for purpose the UK's electoral and parliamentary systems are.

None of the major party's or their leaders represented anything remotely like I would wish to see but I recognise that I'm in the minority.
In fact we've effectively been operating without a functioning government for the last three years....I think its reasonable to wonder why we need these incompetents at all?

I could go on but I'm trying to watch The Searchers.



posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 10:41 AM
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a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Namely?
Which newspapers/magazines/news stations?


a reply to: seedofchucky

I refer the honourable gentleman to the answers I gave earlier.

Amazing how its non-UK residents trying to tell me I'm wrong that most UK MSM news outlets are predominately Conservative.

The BBC regularly gets accused of bias; Labour supporters are adamant its a bastion of the Conservative establishment. Conservative voters insist its riddled with leftist luvvies.

I think there's an element of both within its ranks.

Just one example.

But I guess you none UK guys know far, far better than me.



posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 10:46 AM
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a reply to: Freeborn

I used NPR as an example, our National Public Radio program in the US.



posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 10:48 AM
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originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: Flyingclaydisk



I refer the honourable gentleman to the answers I gave earlier.

Amazing how its non-UK residents trying to tell me I'm wrong that most UK MSM news outlets are predominately Conservative.

The BBC regularly gets accused of bias; Labour supporters are adamant its a bastion of the Conservative establishment. Conservative voters insist its riddled with leftist luvvies.

I think there's an element of both within its ranks.

Just one example.

But I guess you none UK guys know far, far better than me.



Know far better ? No my friend. We can just see the obvious , something the left has a hard time with . Majority of media leans left. By far . a few pro right peices are just to not be so blatant . Most of us can read between the lines . I suggest you check out a book Former BBC Journalist Writes About Liberal Bias In 'The Noble Liar'



posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 10:52 AM
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originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Namely?
Which newspapers/magazines/news stations?


a reply to: seedofchucky

I refer the honourable gentleman to the answers I gave earlier.

Amazing how its non-UK residents trying to tell me I'm wrong that most UK MSM news outlets are predominately Conservative.

The BBC regularly gets accused of bias; Labour supporters are adamant its a bastion of the Conservative establishment. Conservative voters insist its riddled with leftist luvvies.

I think there's an element of both within its ranks.

Just one example.

But I guess you none UK guys know far, far better than me.



Well I am in the UK and I would say there is a definite bias towards the left in our media.
The BBC and Sky for example were all in on remaining in the EU and tried to discredit Brexit voters at every turn. (not quite a left/right issue though)
In election terms it was slightly different this time around because of Corbyn, but there has always been more of a bias towards the left.
It is a little more nuanced - certain presenters go certain ways, but the claim by the losing side in this election that we have a 'far right media' is utter nonsense. Our media leans left - probably centre left.
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posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 10:56 AM
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originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Not at all.

I've been advocating radical electoral and parliamentary reform for donkey's years now.

Our party political system is no longer fit for purpose and is most definitely NOT representative of the people's wishes.
It is controlled by a political elite across the political spectrum who wish to maintain the status quo in order to keep their place at the trough.

The past three years have clearly shown how totally ineffective and unfit for purpose the UK's electoral and parliamentary systems are.

None of the major party's or their leaders represented anything remotely like I would wish to see but I recognise that I'm in the minority.
In fact we've effectively been operating without a functioning government for the last three years....I think its reasonable to wonder why we need these incompetents at all?

I could go on but I'm trying to watch The Searchers.





We don't need radical reform. In fact we don;t need radical anything.
It's the radicals who tend to shout loudest, but the majority of this country are not interested in activists pushing radical change. Our parliament, law courts and executive have issues but are in general just fine.
It's the PEOPLE we elect that are the problem.
edit on 14/12/2019 by UKTruth because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 11:04 AM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Petra137

Was out runnings a few errands and had NPR on the radio.

The media in the US is saying the Great Britain has become Lesser Britain now because of the vote.

They are taking the outcome badly. They are bemoaning the fact that Labour lost.


Really!!! Couldn't be further from the truth!
They just don't want your Trump back in


Rainbows
Jane



posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 11:05 AM
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originally posted by: Zcustosmorum
a reply to: Freeborn



It's straight forward as far as I see things;
I'm sick to death of being told by arrogant, self-opinionated, middle class tossers and politically correct snowflake, condescending know-it-all's that I don't know what I voted for, that I'm ill informed, that I'm stupid, or that my opinion is worthless.


And what exactly did you for vote for? Seeing as you replied to my post which was aimed at Tory voters


Additionally and aside from a Tory government not being good for Scotland, I very much doubt it will be good for the poorer classes of England, NI and Wales either


I voted Tory.
Seeing your pathetic, condescending, propaganda laced contribution to this thread, it fills me with extra joy that I did.



posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 11:13 AM
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originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Zcustosmorum
a reply to: Freeborn



It's straight forward as far as I see things;
I'm sick to death of being told by arrogant, self-opinionated, middle class tossers and politically correct snowflake, condescending know-it-all's that I don't know what I voted for, that I'm ill informed, that I'm stupid, or that my opinion is worthless.


And what exactly did you for vote for? Seeing as you replied to my post which was aimed at Tory voters


Additionally and aside from a Tory government not being good for Scotland, I very much doubt it will be good for the poorer classes of England, NI and Wales either


I voted Tory.
Seeing your pathetic, condescending, propaganda laced contribution to this thread, it fills me with extra joy that I did.


Shallow mate, very shallow, I'll let you get back to fawning over your BoJo wall poster



posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 11:21 AM
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originally posted by: Zcustosmorum
a reply to: Petra137

Have to disagree, I think for the people of England, NI and Wales, a lot probably voted, stupidly and without foresight may I add, because they were sick of hearing about Brexit and just wanted it over with.

As for Scottish Independence, the lines are clearly drawn there and personally, I just hope one way or another, it happens soon:

A. Because it's whats best for Scotland

and

B. A Tory government is extremely bad news, not just for Scotland, but probably the whole of the UK.




I tend to agree, now the BBC is up for Murdoch's greedy paw's and the NHS WILL be on the at negotiations for a trade deal.

More poor will die on the street's, workers will have less right's and lower pay and the rich will get richer while the poor get more poor as the Tory's force them to be humiliated simply for being poor and force them to have to eat food that is near it's expiry date from food bank's.

No affordable houses, the affordable definition from the Tory's is for the UPPER middle class and those that can somehow gain enough to get a deposit.

You work on a zero hours contract with no job security and often have to go to a food bank just to feed your kid's, you fear having any more children because you fear the world you are going to put them into and don't know if you can even feed and cloth them then you are NOT going to have any more kid's, cue instead of training our own children (the Tory's will end up cutting funding to education at some point) the Tory's then importing more people trained in India.

The fact is the Media did a real number on Labour and brainwashed the public out of voting for them, essentially they made the public choose the poison pill over the bad tasting one that may have done them some good.

Not that Corbyn was perfect, he was too weak on national defense and too pally with terrorists for a start BUT his heart was mostly in the right place and he was actually a good man, just perhaps not prime minister material though his party's manifesto was mostly bang on.

On the other hand anyone whom has bought a house, is renting it to those people that CAN NOT AFFORD there own and are having to pay more than half there weekly earnings just to keep a roof over there head's will now be breathing a sigh of relief because under the Tory's they can now kick people out in no fault evictions and the people will have no right's.

I am so very sorry for you Britain, you chose the devil but that was your choice and you were free to listen too and believe the lies or to think for yourselves but you obviously are no good at the latter and have chosen poorly with a result that will be harming your children, grandchildren and great grandchildren for generations to come.

Now don't get me wrong I voted out in the referendum BUT we were lied too, May then went and invited half of India to come and live with us since she realized we would have a short fall of workers after leaving Europe.

And let's be fair Boris is not even as intelligent or good as May was not that she was a Good person because frankly she was not with all that austerity and harming the kid's of our nation in favor of tax break's for the elite which when all is said and done is all that Boris is going to do as well.

Meanwhile exactly as I predicted if this came to pass IS coming to pass, Scotland is gearing up for another independence referendum of there own with or without Boris permission and they will likely choose out.

So Boris will be the LAST or next to LAST prime minister of the UK.

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posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 11:42 AM
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I think for the people of England, NI and Wales, a lot probably voted, stupidly and without foresight


Can we please do away with the "The other side is stupid, Ignorant ECT ECT" arguements?

Just because people disagree with each other on politics doesn't make the other side stupid and evil.

That kind of thought process you just displayed is not constrictive at all. Do you think you sway the other side to your position by calling them stupid?

Boy you're stupid then Z.
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Did it work?



posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 11:43 AM
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So everyone who voted for Brexit is being labeled uneducated?

The polls were completely wrong?

Now random far left wing groups are protesting?

I formatted those as questions because I could be wrong living across the pond and being fed propaganda, but sounds eerily similar to the start of Trumps presidency

I just hope the far left doesn’t try and rip your country apart because you didn’t bow down to them.

Good luck!



posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 12:01 PM
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So the question from all this is what now for the rest of Europe that it is clear that the folks in the UK want out?


Hi Petra

Great question. In a rational political environment, the UK vote would be an unmistakable signal telling the EU it is time to stop the "more Europe" push and concentrate on assessing the true level of support for the EU in its member countries.

The EU's brief history as a political entity has become associated with [1] arbitrary confrontation with select member states, and [2] exercise of blatant favoritism in regards to certain member states.

Put briefly, IMO, the current political structure and function of the EU will not survive more than a few years. It is clear the member nations want more INPUT to the European Project and less "Europe" insofar as the EU uses that term. Either the EU will find the flexibility to make the EU political system less dysfunctional ... or the EU will fall back to being an economic pact vice a political union.

Cheers



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