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My personal view of the 2019 UK election

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posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 08:25 AM
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Been a while since I have been here so hopefully this post is in the correct place...

I just had to put down my own feelings to the UK election and the result, now I will say I do not have a dog in this fight but I have many friends in the UK and I have been there for extended periods..

All I can say is yet again the MSM got it totally wrong with their fingers well off the pulse of the average Joe.

The reality of the result whilst obviously not what the MSM wanted was a massive FU to the screaming far left that seemed to dominate the coverage that I saw, so were where the "masses" of people that wanted to remain in the EU? covered in blue and yellow?, telling the general population they are to stupid to understand what they had done and that they needed another vote is just what was done in the Trump, Hillary campaign. Call into question the wants of the silent majority and this is the end result. (Again)...

Personally I was expecting a slight Conservative win with a hunch of a massive landslide but what was delivered was very very definitive that the UK population want out of the EU. Thankfully the result was so great that I do not expect any outlet to be peddling the idea that it needs a do over. Also I would ask will future MP's actually listen to the people they represent?. (Won't hold my breath)...

I was reading earlier that locations within the UK that would never have even thought of voting Tory previously had come out in droves and supported them on mass, just let that sink in for a minute as to the current landscape that is in place.

Also reading headlines about students standing in freezing rain to cast their vote which previously one would have expected to be a liberal one?. Obviously the communist brainwashing has not worked.

I would have liked to of seen the reaction of certain Eu power players as that result came in, and quite how they could ever report that a second referendum was ever going to change anything is laughable although I do believe it could have been far different had Boris Johnston not have been PM. But the message is clear, the liberal left have been rejected and that the UK must leave the EU.

If this is not a clear sign that the rhetoric of the left has totally missed the mark I do not what else will, and with the situation in the US at the moment I fully expect Trump to get another term come election day.

I will be watching with great interest what deal the UK manages off the back of this result, I will also be very interested to see the trade deal that the US has offered, personally I hope the NHS remains free (relative to personal contribution). That the UK realises it's worth to the wider world and I feel that the rest of Europe needs the UK far more than they need it,.

At the end of the day I could only ever see the EU experiment being a one way door with the UK regarding immigration which is pivtal to the Brexit vote, whilst certainly expats have emigrated they tended to be older and or retired bringing their bags of cash with them, there are not masses of newly qualified folks fleeing to Latvia for example (Lovely country though).

So the question from all this is what now for the rest of Europe that it is clear that the folks in the UK want out?, and what now for the Scottish Vote on independence?, I do not know much about their economy and if it could be self supporting but that is a question for another day..



Cheers...


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posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 08:32 AM
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a reply to: Petra137

Have to disagree, I think for the people of England, NI and Wales, a lot probably voted, stupidly and without foresight may I add, because they were sick of hearing about Brexit and just wanted it over with.

As for Scottish Independence, the lines are clearly drawn there and personally, I just hope one way or another, it happens soon:

A. Because it's whats best for Scotland

and

B. A Tory government is extremely bad news, not just for Scotland, but probably the whole of the UK.





posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 08:41 AM
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Jo Swinson and Anna Soubry are the two people who most vocally betrayed the country and pushed to overturn our vote to leave the EU.

Both lost their seats.

That is just WONDERFUL.

Perhaps they - and other politicians - will learn that they actually work for us and when we tell them do something, they best do it quickly.

OP, yes - this was a massive FU to all those traitors in our country who were pushing their disgusting anti-democratic views through whichever channels they could find.



posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 08:55 AM
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a reply to: Petra137

Thank you -- I pretty much agree!

Do you have any thoughts on how much the current Gender Recognition Act reform played into this? Most of the opinions I've read don't think it had much of an effect, but I tend to think it had a greater impact than appreciable -- mostly because no one is allowed to discuss it publicly!!!


Also reading headlines about students standing in freezing rain to cast their vote which previously one would have expected to be a liberal one?. Obviously the communist brainwashing has not worked.


I find this especially interesting, because colleges/universities have gone ultra-woke, and these students have to bear the brunt of it, as well as feminists and other women's rights advocates. I know the Feminists at Mumsnet were discussing how to spoil ballots, or just not vote at all, and some posted pics of their spoilt ballots.



posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 09:01 AM
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a reply to: Petra137

Why do you think the media got it wrong?

They(MSM) were trying to push, interfere if you will, to a left leaning government. If it wasn’t for state run media, would the votes for the right side of the isle been greater? If you agree the media helped the left, then the media did ‘their job’



posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 09:05 AM
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a reply to: Zcustosmorum

So you believe the conservative government is bad for the will hurt the UK in the long run....

Did you think that Trump would kill the US economy too?

When the UK gets off the tete of the EU and jumps in the Trump Train Economy, the UK will be stronger and more nationalist, and that’s probably the rub.



posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 09:09 AM
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a reply to: UKTruth

Jo Swinson -- What a piece of work. Even I was happy to see her lose!!!

This was absolutely cringeworthy: How do you define what a woman is?



posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 09:13 AM
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a reply to: Zcustosmorum

Your sentiment is familiar....
Here in the state's trump voters were said to vote stupidly.
They knew exactly what they were doing though and the Brit voters probably feel the same.



posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 09:15 AM
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a reply to: Petra137

But who is the UK population going to blame for their misery in the future?

Will probably still be the "evil" EU...


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posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 09:18 AM
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a reply to: Zcustosmorum



Have to disagree, I think for the people of England, NI and Wales, a lot probably voted, stupidly and without foresight may I add, because they were sick of hearing about Brexit and just wanted it over with.


You see, that is typical of the arrogant, 'I know better than you' attitude that typifies Remainers and Corbyn's Labour Party and it is one of the reasons many of us in traditional Labour heartlands deserted them.

We voted AGAINST Corbyn because we simply don't like him and seriously distrust him and his intentions.
He is/was a security risk and we despise everything he represents.

Then there is Brexit; we want out.
We voted out in a democratic ballot and we expect that to be delivered.
We are sick of being told 'we didn't know what we voted for' - WE DID....and no mention of Brexit with a deal, just #ing Brexit.

We are sick to death of middle-class, graduate type, politically correct, snowflake do-gooders and their smug arrogance and overbearing sense of intellectual superiority.

We most definitely DID NOT vote 'stupidly', we were informed and voted as we saw fit.

Who the # do you think you are to tell me why I voted in any specific way and stupidly???

Now I'm no supporter of Boris Johnson, not by any stretch.
But like it or lump it he was the popular choice.

The options available were truly horrendous, none of them are suitable for any position of power or influence.

The arrogance of the London dominated Momentum group within Labour will try their best that someone very similar to Corbyn will replace him and thus consigning this country to decades of Tory rule.

Labour needs to return to its core values and representing its core traditional voters instead of completely dismissing their cares, concerns and wishes in order to pander to every minority and special interest group and the pursuit of outdated and unwanted political dogma.



posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 09:18 AM
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a reply to: SocratesJohnson



So you believe the conservative government is bad for the will hurt the UK in the long run....


Very much so, to see the NHS get sold is extremely bad news, people are poor enough over here.



Did you think that Trump would kill the US economy too?


The Tories love US capitalism and they're also corrupt as hell, Trump's a businessman, so obviously they'll lap it up. I don't live in the US, so why would I care about the US economy? Aside from the fact it's bolstered by stolen oil, weapons deals and a very suspicious financial set up


a reply to: Freeborn



Who the # do you think you are to tell me why I voted in any specific way and stupidly???


Obviously voting Tory is still (understandably) a sensitive subject for you

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posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 09:32 AM
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a reply to: Petra137



So the question from all this is what now for the rest of Europe that it is clear that the folks in the UK want out?

It's clear we've had enough of the Parliamentary shenanigans of the past 2/3 years and those responsible for the deadlock paid the price for their antidemocratic acts , they put their feelings and beliefs above the people who put them where they are.



and what now for the Scottish Vote on independence?

They had a "once in a generation" vote on the issue 5 years ago , they decided against it and now the people who didn't get what they want are calling for another vote ... just like those who lost the Brexit vote.




I do not know much about their economy and if it could be self supporting but that is a question for another day.

They wouldn't be able to use the British Pound as a currency nor would they be a member of the EU so no they wouldn't be self supporting.
The SNP believe they can just walk back into the EU if they won Independence but that isn't the case , Belgium and Spain would block a Scottish application for their own reasons , they have their own separative populations who will want to follow Scotland.

No matter how much you try you can't pin the blame for the British election result on the MSM , antidemocratic parties reaped what they have sewn for the past 3 years , the electorate are totally fed up with it and showed their dissatisfaction with pen and paper.

Power to the People !



posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 09:41 AM
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a reply to: SocratesJohnson

I don't know where you are getting your information from but everything suggested a Tory overall majority, just not to the extent that it proved to be.

I don't know where you get the impression that MSM was trying to influence a 'leftist' victory, most news outlets are fiercely pro-Conservative.



posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 09:45 AM
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a reply to: Zcustosmorum



Obviously voting Tory is still (understandably) a sensitive subject for you


Not at all.....

I didn't vote Tory.
My conscience is clear.

Yet another example of smug arrogance.

And that was all you could muster in reply?
Pretty disappointing.



posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 09:45 AM
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a reply to: Freeborn

it's funny, your anger at the smug arrogance is the exact thing that brought me into the political fray to begin with. I tried to stay out of politics for the most part, until I saw how a new breed of self riotous arrogant assholes erupted to tell everyone who didn't wallow in socialism how wrong and stupid they were. It was so off putting that I decided to speak out about it, if only here.

I feel like most people are sane and not extremist, like those I mentioned, so eventually, they will loose footing and be smashed with the giant stick of common sense. Once we have the far sides contained and shunned, I think everyone will breath a sigh of relief and things will start to run on a more even keel.



posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 09:50 AM
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On the question of the media getting it wrong; they may have been misled, not for the first time, by "shy Tory syndrome". That is, the growing tendancy for people who plan to vote in a right-wing way not to tell pollsters about their intentions. This is an unintended result of the incessant propaganda that voting right-wing is a shameful thing to do. Though apparently they felt free enough to tell the truth to the exit polls, which were on the button.




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posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 09:53 AM
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a reply to: Petra137

Was out runnings a few errands and had NPR on the radio.

The media in the US is saying the Great Britain has become Lesser Britain now because of the vote.

They are taking the outcome badly. They are bemoaning the fact that Labour lost.



posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 09:59 AM
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I didn't vote Tory.
My conscience is clear.


And yet from the way you talk you seem happy about it?



Yet another example of smug arrogance.


There's a Tory government in charge, I am far from feeling smug about it.



And that was all you could muster in reply?
Pretty disappointing.


So your true colours finally shine through, you want some kind of argument while making who knows what point? Time will tell what this government does, but I'll stick with my conviction, it certainly won't be good for anyone north of the border.
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posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 10:01 AM
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They are taking the outcome badly. They are bemoaning the fact that Labour lost.

Why would they do that , it's been clear from the outset that Labour were going to lose the only question was by how much , there was a belief there was an outside chance that they could have formed a minority government with the help of other parties but no one believed Corbyn would be PM.

We have been Lesser Britain for the last couple of years because Parliament has been tied in knots over this issue , now with a majority Tory government it seems we can move forward while the trouble makers lick their wounds.



posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 10:09 AM
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a reply to: gortex

Just speaking in general terms, but the media in the US is very pro-EU and most British guests n the news gave a very skewed view of what was happening across the pond.

They made it appear as if Brexiters were just a few unwashed heathens living in council flats who hated brown people.



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