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originally posted by: PublicOpinion
originally posted by: Freeborn
Just want to add that I don't think Labour will be electable until they free themselves from the control Momentum has over the party and realises that the London Labour, champagne socialist, politically correct, minority promoting clique are not representative of their core traditional support.
This is the pit of old farts, and they'll agree with you.
You guys are history already, there's a new generation coming and they wont be that easy to fool with remnants of a Cold War mentality. This is more about your old fears from the Iron Curtain than it is about reality and actual politics.
We'll need new solutions for this dying species of naked apes, and we wont find it in your old textbooks from a Brave New Oiligarchy. This Boris might be the last Thatcher we'll see, who knows?
originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: PublicOpinion
You are forgetting one very pertinent point. Every day, little by little, you yourself are getting older. It is a well-known factor in politics that people drift from left to right, from "progress" to "conservatism" as they get older. Now you are Edmund Burke praising the American Revolution. In a number of years, you will be Edmund Burke attacking the French Revolution. When your children are as old as you are now, you will be the old fart hailing the heir of the old Johnson traditions.
originally posted by: PaddyInf
originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: PublicOpinion
You are forgetting one very pertinent point. Every day, little by little, you yourself are getting older. It is a well-known factor in politics that people drift from left to right, from "progress" to "conservatism" as they get older. Now you are Edmund Burke praising the American Revolution. In a number of years, you will be Edmund Burke attacking the French Revolution. When your children are as old as you are now, you will be the old fart hailing the heir of the old Johnson traditions.
It's the old cliche -
If you're not a liberal at 20 you've got no heart.
If you're not a conservative at 30 you've got no brain.
If you want to argue that post-modern socialism based upon identity politics will replace the centrist values of classical liberalism as those new solutions, then it is you that will be history.
EUAN McCOLM: As a Scot, I wouldn't blame the English if they told us to get lost
Much has been made of the Scottish oil fields and the wealth that would flow into an independent Scotland. During the 2014 referendum campaign, for example, the Nationalists promised that North Sea oil would underpin a booming economy.
But the price of oil, which peaked at almost $150 a barrel in 2008-09, has fallen steadily over the years. By the time Scots came to vote on membership of the UK, it was trading at about $50 a barrel – a figure that blew a multi-billion-pound hole in the SNP’s prospectus for an independent Scotland. It is still only at $65 a barrel today
Under the Barnett Formula – the mechanism by which public spending is divided across the UK – Scotland receives a full 20 per cent more per head of population than England, a substantial sum, however the SNP tries to spin it.
And if English voters are exasperated, many of us north of the border are deeply worried.
Breaking up the Union would not only put an end to this large subsidy, it would leave Scotland in serious financial trouble. Indeed, economists have warned that an independent Scotland would face years of cuts in public service, or tax rises, or a combination of both..
Despite the generosity of the Barnett Formula, Scotland’s spending deficit was seven times higher as a percentage of GDP than the UK average during the last financial year. And that was after a heavy round of cuts to public services.
An independent Scotland would lose the security of sterling and would no longer have the protection of Bank of England to underwrite its debts. So it’s hardly surprising that Ms Sturgeon claims an independent Scotland would be welcomed back into the EU with open arms, joining as a fully fledged member.
Breaking up the Union would not only put an end to this large subsidy, it would leave Scotland in serious financial trouble. Indeed, economists have warned that an independent Scotland would face years of cuts in public service, or tax rises, or a combination of both.
She diverts attention from the fact that the financial circumstances in which an independent Scotland would find itself might make it ineligible to join.
originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: micpsi
If you want to argue that post-modern socialism based upon identity politics will replace the centrist values of classical liberalism as those new solutions, then it is you that will be history.
Preach to all those young people who voted this way. It's in the data, ya know?
originally posted by: sapien82
once Scotland is out the Union things wont be as cosy for he conservatives in England
Much has been made of the Scottish oil fields and the wealth that would flow into an independent Scotland. During the 2014 referendum campaign, for example, the Nationalists promised that North Sea oil would underpin a booming economy.
But the price of oil, which peaked at almost $150 a barrel in 2008-09, has fallen steadily over the years. By the time Scots came to vote on membership of the UK, it was trading at about $50 a barrel – a figure that blew a multi-billion-pound hole in the SNP’s prospectus for an independent Scotland. It is still only at $65 a barrel today
Under the Barnett Formula – the mechanism by which public spending is divided across the UK – Scotland receives a full 20 per cent more per head of population than England, a substantial sum, however the SNP tries to spin it.
So unless there is some sort of significant step change in the collective human psyche I see very little changing.
You may think that's cynical, unfortunately its just reality!
and if you're neither by age 40 you've figured out it's all garbage anyway.
Instead, they are programmed into a way of thinking that denies truth, asserts the relativity of all values and the meaningless of life.
originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: eletheia
Aye I think yer talking #e considering SNP got the highest votes in any general election in the past 50 years of the vote share , we got 45%
SNP secured 45% of the scottish vote in that general election which is higher than any other vote share in the rest of the UK
we won 48 out of the total of 59 or something , Scotlands voice has clearly spoken and its SNP unity
so your comments about scotland not sharing my opinion is rubbish
we had a voter turn out of 68%
the stats dont lie