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BRAVO to the British population for electing the strongest Conservative majority since Thatcher !

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posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 08:06 PM
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originally posted by: The GUT
Did I grok correctly some info I saw earlier that the British use paper ballots?


Yes! in England we use paper to vote. still not fool foolproof.
but safer that doing it on a computer.
best thing is we can go back and count them again.




posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 10:54 PM
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a reply to: buddha

That must be fairly comforting. Don't ever let the bureaucrat-class change that!

Looking forward to seeing the trade deals y'all make. I'm betting economic growth is a given when it's back in your hands.



posted on Dec, 15 2019 @ 02:43 AM
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It’s interesting that the traditional Protestant vote in West/Central Scotland didn’t go conservative. Even in hardcore loyalist type constituencies they’ve elected SNP MPs. That’s happened in more than one election now and it’s significant because they have been one of the few brakes on the independence bandwagon.

Its happened here and in Northern Ireland because folk know in their hearts that the Tories couldn’t give a toss about the Union. They’re about to create a border down the Irish Sea, so much for the Union huh ? I guess for the Protestant communities it’s finally sunk in ... nobody gives a fook about them. The DUP get the blame for being daft enough to sign up to the confidence & supply arrangement. And in Scotland the Protestant vote sits on its hands or even votes SNP.

That’s a real danger for Johnson in Scotland. That plus a new generation of younger voters who have known nothing but a Parliament at Holyrood. The other thing to note is that so much power now lies at the Scottish Parliament. Public bodies, councils, quangos now take direction solely from Scottish ministers and departments. They report to Holyrood, they’re accountable to Holyrood. Most civil servants owe their allegiance to the government of the day at Holyrood.

All eyes point to Edinburgh. Westminster rarely gets a look in and even when they do it increasingly feels “alien” or “not right”. Intrusive, unwanted. Foreign, even.

I’m no fan of Sturgeon and her record in government. But there’s no doubt she’s one talented individual. In personal terms I’ve got good financial reasons for Scotland to remain in the UK. But I see criticisms of her from down south and it instinctively gets my back up as if it’s anti Scottish rather than anti Sturgeon or anti SNP.

And that’s a huge risk for Johnson and a huge opportunity for the SNP. To portray Johnson’s government as anti Scottish, same as was done very successfully with Thatchers ... and to those who think that isn’t important, well, that’s what got us a Scottish Parliament in 1997. It’s what could get us independence in only a few years time too.

And that next independence referendum will happen whether Westminster likes it or not. What will Johnson do then ... lock Nicola Sturgeon up in jail for sedition, Catalan style ?



posted on Dec, 15 2019 @ 03:09 AM
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originally posted by: TheShippingForecast
And that’s a huge risk for Johnson and a huge opportunity for the SNP. To portray Johnson’s government as anti Scottish, same as was done very successfully with Thatchers ...


Of course the SNP will do this. It's the politics of division. Scotland the victim which plays into the anti-English narrative.
edit on 15/12/2019 by paraphi because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 15 2019 @ 03:58 AM
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originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: M5xaz

Judging from American news media, Britain hates trump....
So what do Brit's do?
Elect there own version of trump...
Then elect enough conservatives to help him out...

Lolololol

Bit of a universal misnomer this one.

Boris Johnson isn’t like Trump. That’s what the media were pushing to discredit him.

He’s been a very ‘liberal’ conservative in his political past. Recently the media have taken his articles out of context to make him seem unappealing.



posted on Dec, 15 2019 @ 04:07 AM
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originally posted by: and14263

originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: M5xaz

Judging from American news media, Britain hates trump....
So what do Brit's do?
Elect there own version of trump...
Then elect enough conservatives to help him out...

Lolololol

Bit of a universal misnomer this one.

Boris Johnson isn’t like Trump. That’s what the media were pushing to discredit him.

He’s been a very ‘liberal’ conservative in his political past. Recently the media have taken his articles out of context to make him seem unappealing.



So exactly the same as Trump and the media. For most of his life, Trump was a liberal Democrat. He recently found himself a Republican only because the Democratic party moved well Left of him and the media talks about him as if he were somewhat right of the Kaiser...



posted on Dec, 15 2019 @ 04:17 AM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6

Cool. Learn something new everyday.



posted on Dec, 15 2019 @ 04:42 AM
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originally posted by: TheShippingForecast


Scotland has had an independence referendum only two years prior to

Brexit and it was to be a once in a lifetime referendum, the same as the Brexit

referendum.

The fact that SNP has so many seats imo makes it more like communism than

democracy. There is no one to temper her excesses. Her demeanor when the

Lib/Dem lost their seat speaks a thousand words ....... Even Corbyn holds that

sort of behaviour in check?



All eyes point to Edinburgh. Westminster rarely gets a look in and even when they do it increasingly feels “alien” or “not right”. Intrusive, unwanted. Foreign, even.


The Queen has land and heiritage in Scotland what does Sturgeon propose to

do about her?



I’m no fan of Sturgeon and her record in government. But there’s no doubt she’s one talented individual. In personal terms I’ve got good financial reasons for Scotland to remain in the UK. But I see criticisms of her from down south and it instinctively gets my back up as if it’s anti Scottish rather than anti Sturgeon or anti SNP.


As I understand it by what I have heard and read Scotland is not doing so well in

the economy, structure etc. because of the SNP's obsession for independence.




And that’s a huge risk for Johnson and a huge opportunity for the SNP. To portray Johnson’s government as anti Scottish,


Hmmmnn...The race card, and the Scots purport not to be racist!!??



posted on Dec, 15 2019 @ 05:11 AM
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And that next independence referendum will happen whether Westminster likes it or not. What will Johnson do then ... lock Nicola Sturgeon up in jail for sedition, Catalan style

I seriously doubt Nicola Sturgeon will go down that road , an unsanctioned Independence referendum will be little more than an opinion poll and the result would carry as much weight as the Catalan one.

On the subject of the Catalan referendum Scotland is currently giving refuge to Clara Ponsati who is facing extradition to Spain on charges of sedition as one of the people behind the Catalan vote.

As for Scottish Independence how would Scotland survive out of the UK and the EU , Spain will veto a Scottish application as would Belgium in all likelihood.



posted on Dec, 15 2019 @ 05:24 AM
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a reply to: paraphi

That’s the thing though, for all you want it to be anti English so that it fits your own narrative, in reality it’s not being played out that way.

It’s Scotland the victim alright but played as pro independence and not anti English).

Politics of division ain’t a one way street either. Up here there’s a genuine sense of pity for folk in Northern England who have been spun a pack of lies about a Northern Powerhouse, for example. It’s not anti English, honestly, it really ain’t. Ordinary folk down south are going to be absolutely shafted by the Tories, yet at this election it’s many of those same ordinary folk who have voted Tory to “get Brexit done” and think once that’s done it’ll be raining bread from heaven. It’s pitiable.

There was a time when there was a genuine solidarity between ordinary working people across the whole UK, most often expressed on the left of the political spectrum through the labour and trade union movement. I remember as a kid seeing bands and banners from miners and steelworkers in England, there was a sense of us all being in the same boat and in it together.

There’s no sense of that now, not across the U.K. anyway. Thatcher and brute economics saw to that. It’s not as bright as it was in Scotland either but there’s a still a sense up here of us being in the same boat, that folk in Ayrshire matter every bit as much as those in Perthshire or wherever. Scotland is different that way.

Progressive politics is a lost cause south of the border. Labour collapsed to nada in Scotland, it’ll do the same down south. There needs to be some kind of major realignment to Centre/left of centre politics south of the border because there’s no real opposition to the Tories at the moment.

Labour is just student politics and completely lacking the persons of substance needed to mount any effective challenge to the Tories in the next ten years at least.

Folk in Scotland just aren’t going to wait that kinda time unfortunately. We’ve got our own problems and there’s a good argument now for us doing our own thing, love you thanks for a great night but time for us to get our coats and leave the party.

In a nice way.



posted on Dec, 15 2019 @ 05:38 AM
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Was sad to see Dennis Skinner lost his seat. Of all the Labour politicians he was the only one i liked, his left wing socialist politics aside, he was genuinely a good politician who called it like he saw it and truly attempted to represent his constituents by all accounts.



posted on Dec, 15 2019 @ 05:41 AM
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a reply to: and14263

Actually most people i know are quite fond of Trump. By no means do we think hes a good politician but as a leader he certainly presents a stronger image and personality than someone like Obama. Also it's fair to say he isn't as much as a puppet as the other front runners in your political establishment. Just the left like to make lots of noise and protest, while the rest of us are at work providing for our families.



posted on Dec, 15 2019 @ 05:47 AM
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Was sad to see Dennis Skinner lost his seat.

Yeah that was a surprise to me too , the Beast of Bolsover gone ... who's going to make the funny quip at the State Opening of Parliament now , a tradition lost.



posted on Dec, 15 2019 @ 05:47 AM
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a reply to: eletheia

Well, it’s passed from once in a generation to once in a lifetime depending on who you speak to. Whatever, that generation would’ve been seen out without another independence referendum were it not for Cameron’s decision to hold then lose the Brexit vote.

That changed everything. It’s such a significant alteration to the Union and our relationship with other countries that it entitles Scotland to another independence referendum, it’s a SNP manifesto commitment.

Communism ? It’s the first past the post system electoral system. That plays as well for the SNP as it does for the tories down south.

I’m not defending the SNP record. They can sometimes be blinded by doing things differently just for the sake of it, or because other European nations do it, rather than whether it’ll actually work for us. But I’m happy for Scotland to have that ability, to try new things and if it fails then it’s our failure and ours to sort out, know what I mean ? Freedom to do things as we see fit without it being imposed on us by by folk down south we didn’t elect.

Assume Scotland will remain a constitutional monarchy like Canada, Australia etc until such time as a majority decide otherwise, what’s so wrong with that ? That’s the position with the U.K. just now, nothing’s changed there.



posted on Dec, 15 2019 @ 05:59 AM
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a reply to: gortex

His last quip "No, I'll not be going" was somewhat prophetic.



posted on Dec, 15 2019 @ 06:36 AM
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a reply to: Grenade
He even made Maggie laugh;
www.youtube.com...



posted on Dec, 15 2019 @ 06:43 AM
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Reading today that Emily Thornberry is being touted as a possible leader of Labour.
Do these people never learn?
She was in bed with a legal firm farming false charges against British soldiers, then she famously sneered at the working classes by tweeting her pic of the house with the white van and England flag...now she's decided it's ok to label voters in the north as stupid for not seeing the world her way.

It's almost like there's a conspiracy among rich tossers to stop Labour ever being electable.



posted on Dec, 15 2019 @ 06:49 AM
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a reply to: DISRAELI

That must be a first. Say what you will of Margaret Thatcher, she was a formidable politician. Good or bad she implemented a lot of her policies.



posted on Dec, 15 2019 @ 07:09 AM
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a reply to: SprocketUK
A couple of days ago, Twitter was pushing Dawn Butler. I don't know Labour politicians, so i can't comment.



posted on Dec, 15 2019 @ 07:22 AM
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originally posted by: TheShippingForecast
a reply to: eletheia

Well, it’s passed from once in a generation to once in a lifetime depending on who you speak to. Whatever, that generation would’ve been seen out without another independence referendum were it not for Cameron’s decision to hold then lose the Brexit vote.


No vote should be made on assumptions of what another party wants, have the

courage of your convictions!! rather than behaving like infants "go on I will if

you will.....I'll hold your hand while you do it"




Communism ? It’s the first past the post system electoral system. That plays as well for the SNP as it does for the tories down south.


Lol!!! The Tories won a landslide ..... not the whole house there is opposition

even from Scotland, no such thing in Hollyrood.



I’m not defending the SNP record. They can sometimes be blinded by doing things differently just for the sake of it, or because other European nations do it, rather than whether it’ll actually work for us. But I’m happy for Scotland to have that ability, to try new things and if it fails then it’s our failure and ours to sort out, know what I mean ? Freedom to do things as we see fit without it being imposed on us by by folk down south we didn’t elect.


Doing things just for the 'hell of it' is hardly a responsible attitude?

You have the same freedom to run Scotland, as has Wales, and N.Ireland but

you are part of the United Kingdoms a small union if you cant hack that how do

you expect to hold your own in the EU which has 27 other nations, many

bigger than yourselves and wee Nicola
' ....... the EU are not prepared to

neither will they hear your voice.Scotland will be a tiddler in a pond full of sharks......

Good luck with that!!!!!!



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