Wow, no responses. I've read many times that one of the reasons we don't have any of the above items is because nobody cares. Seems it is true.
Other inventions include a way to get rid of nuclear waste, but since it won't make money, it is not done.
Ways to heat your home for little cash, not in stores.
Many things have been supressed and no one cares. Many patents that could heal our world that we don't see because of lower profits. Our world is
being destroyed for your children and no one cares.
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Topic started on 8-3-2005 @ 01:11 PM by godservant
I still, from time to time, look for alternative and free energy. There is much evidence of suppressing inventions that can reduce dangers to our
planet or create/conserve energy.
I have come across a couple of sites that I'd like to share with my favorite forum.
First, a very extensive writing from a man who almost made history, but corporate greed stood in the way. Amoung the best writings I've read in a while:
www.ahealedplanet.net...
Second, some pretty nice experiments and project with real photographs. Some of the items found here I am going to try.
www.fortunecity.com...
Many might say that free energy is not possible. I'm sorry, but I think there is something that works. I just hope I can find one that 1) works and can be built by anyone, and 2) won't get me killed.
Many might doubt that these are really happening, but why have we not seen the 200 MPG carburetor on our vehicles still to this day?
I have come across a couple of sites that I'd like to share with my favorite forum.
First, a very extensive writing from a man who almost made history, but corporate greed stood in the way. Amoung the best writings I've read in a while:
www.ahealedplanet.net...
Second, some pretty nice experiments and project with real photographs. Some of the items found here I am going to try.
www.fortunecity.com...
Many might say that free energy is not possible. I'm sorry, but I think there is something that works. I just hope I can find one that 1) works and can be built by anyone, and 2) won't get me killed.
Many might doubt that these are really happening, but why have we not seen the 200 MPG carburetor on our vehicles still to this day?
reply posted on 9-3-2005 @ 01:12 PM by Off_The_Street
Godservant says:
"I still, from time to time, look for alternative and free energy. There is much evidence of suppressing inventions that can reduce dangers to our planet or create/conserve energy."
I haven't seen any evidence of suppressing technology; indeed, I have first-hand experience of how the oil companies do their best to nuture it (although for their own benefit, of course)
In the late '80s, when I was working for Motorola, I applied for and got a job working for the Systems Engineering Group at Solavolt International, a photovoltaics (PV) engineering and manufacturing house in Phoenix. Solavolt was a joint venture between Motorola (which had the electronics process engineers) and Shell Oil (which had deep pockets).
Shell didn't know if PV were to be a viable energy source or not, but it knew that it wanted to be in the energy business in the 21st century regardless of how they made energy, so they sunk a boatload of money into Solavolt. If you're familiar with alternate energy, you'll probably remember that two other big players in the PV market back then were Mobil Solar and Arco Solar.
Again, the same reason -- the oil companies knew they couldn't surpress a new technology, so they tried to deal themselves in!
Now as it turned out, the PV boom of the '70s and '80's was based on three bogus facts:
(1) PV production cost per watt was high, but with the breakthroughs we knew were coming, would soon below $1/watt.
(2) Gas prices were low now (1985) but by 1990 or 1995, they'd be at $3-4/gallon.
(3) the Federal tax credits generated by PURPA would last forever
Well, the cost of PV didn't go down, the price of gas didn't didn't rise that fast, and the tax credits went away. As a result, the energy companies realized that PV was throwing good money after bad, and they all pulled out, taking a big loss, but cutting a bigger one. It was a sound business decision on their part.
And PV, although I love the technology dearly, is still a cost effective solution for large-scale generation of electricity.
But my point is that the oil companies simply don't have the power you might think they do. Brazil, China, Japan, and India have to import almost all their oil, and they all have brilliant scientists, engineers, and technologists. You don't think that, if there really were an alternative to the hydrocarbon economy, one of those countries wouldn't have developed a cost-effective replacement by now?
"First, a very extensive writing from a man who almost made history, but corporate greed stood in the way. Amoung the best writings I've read in a while: www.ahealedplanet.net... First, a very extensive writing from a man who almost made history, but corporate greed stood in the way. Amoung the best writings I've read in a while: www.ahealedplanet.net..."
I read the site and didn't see any evidence for workable alternative energy at all. Would you care to point us to a particular technology?
"Second, some pretty nice experiments and project with real photographs. Some of the items found here I am going to try. www.fortunecity.com..."
I didn't see anything there that was a workable and cost-effective alternative energy source. The very first page, the author bemoans the fact that he doesn't have enough money to do any sort of research and development; but if his designs or concepts are workable and cost-effective, why aren't all the Third World and non-oil-producing countries jumping on the bandwagon?
"Many might say that free energy is not possible. I'm sorry, but I think there is something that works. I just hope I can find one that 1) works and can be built by anyone..."
Maybe there is something that works, but I haven't seen any evidence for it, and neither has anyone else I've spoken with.
"...and 2) won't get me killed."
It probably won't get you killed unless you short out a high-current circuit.
"Many might doubt that these are really happening, but why have we not seen the 200 MPG carburetor on our vehicles still to this day?"
Because it doesn't exist, and never did. Besides, we don't use carburetors any more; the latest thing is computer-controlled common-rail diesel fuel injection, coupled with NiMH batteries and electric motors.
Godservant, I certainly share your frustration with the state of energy technology today. We are poisoning ourselves -- and quite possibly the Earth itself -- by burning hydrocarbons, and the money that we pay those thugs for oil is funnelled to the hands of islamofacist terrorists and other thugs, which drives up our defense costs, and ruins our economy and standing in the world.
And we should be looking at all possible sources of alternatives to burning hydrocarbons, whether it's nuclear power, PV, hydro, wind turbines, tidal bore turbines, or even stirling-cycle engines working off the temperature delta in the ocean.
Just as importantly, we should be embarking on a Manhattan- Projet-scale effort to conserve our existing stocke and maximize the effectiveness of domestic oil production.
But looking for conspiracies where none exist, and talking about energy sources for which there is no evidence, is detracting us from the very real task of developing and sustaining a common-sense energy strategy for the future of our planet.
"I still, from time to time, look for alternative and free energy. There is much evidence of suppressing inventions that can reduce dangers to our planet or create/conserve energy."
I haven't seen any evidence of suppressing technology; indeed, I have first-hand experience of how the oil companies do their best to nuture it (although for their own benefit, of course)
In the late '80s, when I was working for Motorola, I applied for and got a job working for the Systems Engineering Group at Solavolt International, a photovoltaics (PV) engineering and manufacturing house in Phoenix. Solavolt was a joint venture between Motorola (which had the electronics process engineers) and Shell Oil (which had deep pockets).
Shell didn't know if PV were to be a viable energy source or not, but it knew that it wanted to be in the energy business in the 21st century regardless of how they made energy, so they sunk a boatload of money into Solavolt. If you're familiar with alternate energy, you'll probably remember that two other big players in the PV market back then were Mobil Solar and Arco Solar.
Again, the same reason -- the oil companies knew they couldn't surpress a new technology, so they tried to deal themselves in!
Now as it turned out, the PV boom of the '70s and '80's was based on three bogus facts:
(1) PV production cost per watt was high, but with the breakthroughs we knew were coming, would soon below $1/watt.
(2) Gas prices were low now (1985) but by 1990 or 1995, they'd be at $3-4/gallon.
(3) the Federal tax credits generated by PURPA would last forever
Well, the cost of PV didn't go down, the price of gas didn't didn't rise that fast, and the tax credits went away. As a result, the energy companies realized that PV was throwing good money after bad, and they all pulled out, taking a big loss, but cutting a bigger one. It was a sound business decision on their part.
And PV, although I love the technology dearly, is still a cost effective solution for large-scale generation of electricity.
But my point is that the oil companies simply don't have the power you might think they do. Brazil, China, Japan, and India have to import almost all their oil, and they all have brilliant scientists, engineers, and technologists. You don't think that, if there really were an alternative to the hydrocarbon economy, one of those countries wouldn't have developed a cost-effective replacement by now?
"First, a very extensive writing from a man who almost made history, but corporate greed stood in the way. Amoung the best writings I've read in a while: www.ahealedplanet.net... First, a very extensive writing from a man who almost made history, but corporate greed stood in the way. Amoung the best writings I've read in a while: www.ahealedplanet.net..."
I read the site and didn't see any evidence for workable alternative energy at all. Would you care to point us to a particular technology?
"Second, some pretty nice experiments and project with real photographs. Some of the items found here I am going to try. www.fortunecity.com..."
I didn't see anything there that was a workable and cost-effective alternative energy source. The very first page, the author bemoans the fact that he doesn't have enough money to do any sort of research and development; but if his designs or concepts are workable and cost-effective, why aren't all the Third World and non-oil-producing countries jumping on the bandwagon?
"Many might say that free energy is not possible. I'm sorry, but I think there is something that works. I just hope I can find one that 1) works and can be built by anyone..."
Maybe there is something that works, but I haven't seen any evidence for it, and neither has anyone else I've spoken with.
"...and 2) won't get me killed."
It probably won't get you killed unless you short out a high-current circuit.
"Many might doubt that these are really happening, but why have we not seen the 200 MPG carburetor on our vehicles still to this day?"
Because it doesn't exist, and never did. Besides, we don't use carburetors any more; the latest thing is computer-controlled common-rail diesel fuel injection, coupled with NiMH batteries and electric motors.
Godservant, I certainly share your frustration with the state of energy technology today. We are poisoning ourselves -- and quite possibly the Earth itself -- by burning hydrocarbons, and the money that we pay those thugs for oil is funnelled to the hands of islamofacist terrorists and other thugs, which drives up our defense costs, and ruins our economy and standing in the world.
And we should be looking at all possible sources of alternatives to burning hydrocarbons, whether it's nuclear power, PV, hydro, wind turbines, tidal bore turbines, or even stirling-cycle engines working off the temperature delta in the ocean.
Just as importantly, we should be embarking on a Manhattan- Projet-scale effort to conserve our existing stocke and maximize the effectiveness of domestic oil production.
But looking for conspiracies where none exist, and talking about energy sources for which there is no evidence, is detracting us from the very real task of developing and sustaining a common-sense energy strategy for the future of our planet.
reply posted on 5-2-2006 @ 12:15 PM by wadefrazier3
This thread was one of many I have seen over the years that became part of the grist for this essay:
www.ahealedplanet.net...
As Adam Trombly noted:
www.spiritofmaat.com...
Inventors, engineers and scientists who have never done anything noteworthy in the alternative energy field regularly say, after hearing tales of suppression, that nobody ever tried to suppress their work. The Big Boys do not try to suppress technology that is not worth suppressing.
I know some of Adam’s adventures in alternative energy from the inside, and he survived several murder attempts before he bowed out. Anybody who has done anything worthwhile in the field unfortunately nods knowingly when reading this little vignette:
www.ahealedplanet.net...
Everybody I know and know of who has tried mounting anything worthwhile in the free energy field has encountered agents of the Big Boys. Most take the money, but some had untimely demises while the others have survived murder attempts and other outrages. Some are behind bars even today. But the denial, apathy and inertia of the masses have always been the biggest obstacles to overcome.
My experiences over the past twenty years has shown me that the vast majority of engineers and technical professionals are quite naïve about the political-economic reality of potentially “disruptive” technologies. If an inventor actually gets something worthwhile going and comes onto the Big Boys’ radar, then he (I have not encountered a woman yet on that inventive frontier) often becomes “paranoid.” That is an understandable reaction (and often accurate, as far as what they are facing), but engineering and inventor types are more susceptible to Paranoid Personality Disorder than most people, and their paranoia helps their effort self-destruct.
When I hear engineers and scientists say they have never seen or heard of suppression of alternative energy, I usually discover that they live in comfy berths at energy or military-related companies, doing mundane work (nothing that comes remotely close to challenging the paradigm that earns them their paychecks). Less than 1% of all engineers and scientists have the creativity and discrimination to assess paradigm-busting data/innovations, and even then, most of that 1% will get trapped in their conditioning regarding the political-economic system. That is not exactly something new; it has always been that way.
www.ahealedplanet.net...
People will rarely see the real world of alternative energy while living the nine-to-five life in the corporate world. Here is an example of somebody getting a glimpse of how it really works:
www.serendipity.li...
Accounting clerks and engineers at the BPA never knew that somebody like Bill the Hit Man was also on their organization’s payroll:
www.ahealedplanet.net...
There is actually a thirty-year-old interview of Bill on the Internet today, so people can see how he developed his fake alternative energy credentials (I will not give the link to it here, but it can be easily found with a Google search – it can be hazardous to one’s health to publicly name those kinds of people…kind of like naming a Gambino family hit man)
As far the observation that there were no viable technologies presented on my site, my response is this:
www.ahealedplanet.net...
www.ahealedplanet.net...
This is the first post to an Internet forum that I have made for years, and if the discussion can rise above facile dismissals and other deficiencies, I may continue to participate in it. I would think a site like Above Top Secret would attract people who want to help solve the immense problems that humanity faces today (as well as provocateurs and others defending the status quo). Almost every category in the Above Top Secret forums is addressed in my work. These kinds of Internet discussions are usually plagued with naïveté, paranoia, provocateurs and other problems, but I am willing to be pleasantly surprised on this site.
Wade Frazier
www.ahealedplanet.net...
As Adam Trombly noted:
www.spiritofmaat.com...
Inventors, engineers and scientists who have never done anything noteworthy in the alternative energy field regularly say, after hearing tales of suppression, that nobody ever tried to suppress their work. The Big Boys do not try to suppress technology that is not worth suppressing.
I know some of Adam’s adventures in alternative energy from the inside, and he survived several murder attempts before he bowed out. Anybody who has done anything worthwhile in the field unfortunately nods knowingly when reading this little vignette:
www.ahealedplanet.net...
Everybody I know and know of who has tried mounting anything worthwhile in the free energy field has encountered agents of the Big Boys. Most take the money, but some had untimely demises while the others have survived murder attempts and other outrages. Some are behind bars even today. But the denial, apathy and inertia of the masses have always been the biggest obstacles to overcome.
My experiences over the past twenty years has shown me that the vast majority of engineers and technical professionals are quite naïve about the political-economic reality of potentially “disruptive” technologies. If an inventor actually gets something worthwhile going and comes onto the Big Boys’ radar, then he (I have not encountered a woman yet on that inventive frontier) often becomes “paranoid.” That is an understandable reaction (and often accurate, as far as what they are facing), but engineering and inventor types are more susceptible to Paranoid Personality Disorder than most people, and their paranoia helps their effort self-destruct.
When I hear engineers and scientists say they have never seen or heard of suppression of alternative energy, I usually discover that they live in comfy berths at energy or military-related companies, doing mundane work (nothing that comes remotely close to challenging the paradigm that earns them their paychecks). Less than 1% of all engineers and scientists have the creativity and discrimination to assess paradigm-busting data/innovations, and even then, most of that 1% will get trapped in their conditioning regarding the political-economic system. That is not exactly something new; it has always been that way.
www.ahealedplanet.net...
People will rarely see the real world of alternative energy while living the nine-to-five life in the corporate world. Here is an example of somebody getting a glimpse of how it really works:
www.serendipity.li...
Accounting clerks and engineers at the BPA never knew that somebody like Bill the Hit Man was also on their organization’s payroll:
www.ahealedplanet.net...
There is actually a thirty-year-old interview of Bill on the Internet today, so people can see how he developed his fake alternative energy credentials (I will not give the link to it here, but it can be easily found with a Google search – it can be hazardous to one’s health to publicly name those kinds of people…kind of like naming a Gambino family hit man)
As far the observation that there were no viable technologies presented on my site, my response is this:
www.ahealedplanet.net...
www.ahealedplanet.net...
This is the first post to an Internet forum that I have made for years, and if the discussion can rise above facile dismissals and other deficiencies, I may continue to participate in it. I would think a site like Above Top Secret would attract people who want to help solve the immense problems that humanity faces today (as well as provocateurs and others defending the status quo). Almost every category in the Above Top Secret forums is addressed in my work. These kinds of Internet discussions are usually plagued with naïveté, paranoia, provocateurs and other problems, but I am willing to be pleasantly surprised on this site.
Wade Frazier
reply posted on 6-2-2006 @ 06:55 AM by wadefrazier3
If all I wanted was to hear from people who announce up front that they do not like the IDEA of free energy, I would have continued conversing with
Heinberg.
www.ahealedplanet.net...
Neither recent respondent evidenced that they had read or comprehended the information presented in the links I provided. If the man from Ontario actually read where I mention Tesla’s tower concept, my point was Morgan’s response, not the potential environmental ramifications.
I am not interested in the “shoulds” of free energy. If somebody wants to pursue the problems with orthodox energy theory, they can get ahold of Tom Bearden’s recent tome or go to places such as this:
www.newenergymovement.org...
There is plenty to chew on. I am into data, not theory.
An informed, intelligent response (simply reciting physics and economics texts does not qualify) to what I laid out is going to take awhile. I will be back in a week or two and take a look. These are not trivial issues. I hope this forum can muster something beyond responses that seemed like they were written by CSICOP members.
Wade
[edit on 6-2-2006 by wadefrazier3]
www.ahealedplanet.net...
Neither recent respondent evidenced that they had read or comprehended the information presented in the links I provided. If the man from Ontario actually read where I mention Tesla’s tower concept, my point was Morgan’s response, not the potential environmental ramifications.
I am not interested in the “shoulds” of free energy. If somebody wants to pursue the problems with orthodox energy theory, they can get ahold of Tom Bearden’s recent tome or go to places such as this:
www.newenergymovement.org...
There is plenty to chew on. I am into data, not theory.
An informed, intelligent response (simply reciting physics and economics texts does not qualify) to what I laid out is going to take awhile. I will be back in a week or two and take a look. These are not trivial issues. I hope this forum can muster something beyond responses that seemed like they were written by CSICOP members.
Wade
[edit on 6-2-2006 by wadefrazier3]
reply posted on 7-2-2006 @ 06:18 AM by ViolatoR
Heres a device on NASA's page which the inventor has sold to a couple of schools so far. It puts out more energy than put in, but only about 30%
more. Not enough to convert back into electrical and be self-powering. I dont think I have the link to this page anymore.
[edit on 2/7/2006 by ViolatoR]
[edit on 2/7/2006 by ViolatoR]
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