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Election Interference Hypocrisy

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posted on Dec, 7 2019 @ 06:11 PM
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Democrats were challenging the results of the election in 2016 before they even finished counting the votes. They have been trying to nullify those results ever since. They accused republicans of attempting to influence the results of the election with the aid of foreign agents while they openly counselled illegal aliens to vote thereby attempting to influence the results of the election with the aid of foreign agents. The significant difference between the two is that republicans were accused of trying to manipulate the vote using memes, while the democrats used foreign nationals to illegally cast actual votes. Think about that...

Before the results of the election were even final democrats were already talking about removing Trump from office. The investigations started almost immediately even though they had no idea what they were looking for at the time. They didn't care what it was, they were just desperate to find anything they could. The Steele dossier was bought and paid for BS yet it was used to justify a witch hunt. The whistle-blower is a democrat shill with nothing more than third party hearsay as evidence, yet the investigations continue. The democrats have been using an "end justifies the means" philosophy the entire time. The problem is that using that philosophy to produce criminal charges is a violation of multiple Constitutional rights.

The democrats go into apoplectic seizures if anyone dares to suggest investigating Biden for quid pro quo in the Ukraine. Even though there is actual video of Biden bragging that he threatened to withhold a billion dollars in aid if the investigator looking in to his son's corrupt dealings was not fired in six hours or less. The reason the democrats go insane at the very thought if it is that Biden in a candidate in the 2020 election and an investigation into his corrupt family is just an attempt at derailing his campaign. Yet, for some unexplained reason, the democrats completely fail to see the hypocrisy of investigating Trump, also a candidate in that same election, for precisely the same thing!

When is this hypocritical nonsense going to end?

#votethemout2020




posted on Dec, 7 2019 @ 06:22 PM
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I swear I've already read this topic title, not too long ago. If I wasn't so lazy, I'd investigate further..




posted on Dec, 7 2019 @ 06:29 PM
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When is this hypocritical nonsense going to end?


Never.

Democrats seriously think only they should be in power.

That's why we've seen what we have for three years.

And to state the obvious?

It's only going to get worse.



posted on Dec, 7 2019 @ 06:30 PM
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originally posted by: Jefferton
I swear I've already read this topic title, not too long ago. If I wasn't so lazy, I'd investigate further..



So what?

This perversion of our govt needs to continue to be pointed out until it stops.



posted on Dec, 7 2019 @ 06:32 PM
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a reply to: Vroomfondel

It isn't going to end well.

Sadly, we are at a place in America where there is no longer any middle ground.

We have two entirely different ideologies battling for something that neither are going to ever achieve now.

The left will never get their Socialist Progressive Utopia.

The right is never going to be able to return to what we once were as a country.

The problem is that the voters and citizens on the left have been conditioned by the media and the Democratic party to see anyone who doesn't think like them as less than human now.

The stupid ones, the mouth-breathers from flyover states, the deplorables, the irredeemable.

So it's perfectly OK to mock the right, to beat them, to do anything you want to really.

It's not like they are real people, after all.

They are an obstacle, a problem, something to get rid of By Any Means Necessary.

The citizenry who do not accept the Progressive ideology on the other hand...

They have been demeaned, scorned, mocked and made fun of to the point where they are starting to push back.

Unfortunately the only effective tools they have are the same tools the left has used against them for decades.

Being honest and moral and polite doesn't cut it anymore.

So at the end of the day, we as a populace have irreconcilable differences.

And no solution.

Interesting times indeed.

#ELE2020



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posted on Dec, 7 2019 @ 06:34 PM
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I've always thought the two party's were working together.
Your trying to say all this back stabbing is real?

nothing has changed your being distracted right now by the circus politics.
It is apolitical theater,full of sound and fury,yet in the end, signifying nothing

The facts speak for themselves.
We’re being robbed blind by a government of thieves.

edit on 7-12-2019 by madenusa because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 7 2019 @ 06:35 PM
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a reply to: Lumenari




So at the end of the day, we as a populace have irreconcilable differences.


I want a divorce, and they aren't getting the house either.



posted on Dec, 7 2019 @ 06:36 PM
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a reply to: madenusa




Your trying to say all this back stabbing is real?


Yes it's real.

The hatred.

The lies.

The abuse.

ALL REAL.



posted on Dec, 7 2019 @ 06:37 PM
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originally posted by: madenusa
I've always thought the two party's were working together.
Your trying to say all this back stabbing is real?

nothing has changed your being distracted right now by the circus politics.

The facts speak for themselves.
We’re being robbed blind by a government of thieves.


Not playing the game doesn't mean you are not in the game.

It just means you have given up.

Which is actually exactly where they want you.

Wouldn't want to get all involved and change the government, right?




posted on Dec, 7 2019 @ 06:48 PM
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originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: madenusa
I've always thought the two party's were working together.
Your trying to say all this back stabbing is real?

nothing has changed your being distracted right now by the circus politics.

The facts speak for themselves.
We’re being robbed blind by a government of thieves.


Not playing the game doesn't mean you are not in the game.

It just means you have given up.

Which is actually exactly where they want you.

Wouldn't want to get all involved and change the government, right?

"We the people” have learned only too well how to be slaves.
when we get to involved they have cavity searches Consider it the penalties for civil disobedience, whistleblowing and rebellion are severe.



posted on Dec, 7 2019 @ 06:54 PM
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originally posted by: madenusa

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: madenusa
I've always thought the two party's were working together.
Your trying to say all this back stabbing is real?

nothing has changed your being distracted right now by the circus politics.

The facts speak for themselves.
We’re being robbed blind by a government of thieves.


Not playing the game doesn't mean you are not in the game.

It just means you have given up.

Which is actually exactly where they want you.

Wouldn't want to get all involved and change the government, right?

"We the people” have learned only too well how to be slaves.
when we get to involved they have cavity searches Consider it the penalties for civil disobedience, whistleblowing and rebellion are severe.


So why fight to change that, right?

Since to you its all political theater anyways, they are two sides of the same coin and its all about debt slavery.

Congratulations.... your programming is complete.

As for me, I'll keep fighting, thanks.


"If ye love wealth better than liberty,
the tranquility of servitude
better than the animating contest of freedom,
go home from us in peace.
We ask not your counsels or your arms.
Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you.
May your chains set lightly upon you,
and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."

Samuel Adams.





posted on Dec, 7 2019 @ 06:59 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: madenusa




Your trying to say all this back stabbing is real?


Yes it's real.

The hatred.

The lies.

The abuse.

ALL REAL.
You cannot have a republican form of government — nor a democratic one, for that matter — when the government views itself as superior to the citizenry.
What we need is another good old fashion war game...this circus politics is getting old.



posted on Dec, 7 2019 @ 07:17 PM
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It's Trump's own fault he broke the law. If I speed, it isn't the police man's fault for giving me a ticket.

Republicans have investigated both the origins of the Russian investigation and illegal immigrants casting votes illegally and have found no evidence of wrongdoing by Democrats etc. in either case. They might *want* there to be wrongdoing in both cases because it would be convenient for them, but that doesn't make it true factually.

Sometimes what we fantasize to be true isn't true at all - despite feeling like it! That's why it is important to gather evidence and produce some kind of logical, reasonable cases for our opinions.

Totalitarian states can result from the people in charge pushing their (factually incorrect) views on others because they *feel* they are correct, yet they disregard the evidence. Working against the facts requires a lot of work - including promoting propaganda and suppressing dissenters who are smart enough to see through the facade.

Trump may suspect Biden was involved in some shady business in Ukraine, but it surprisingly isn't his job to investigate that, especially using government resources for personal political gain. For example, the Russian investigation involving Trump was not spearheaded by Obama but started out naturally where it was supposed to - in the intelligence community.

Take into account the fact that Russia has been spoon-feeding Republicans propaganda (such as Ukraine holding on to a server that would get Russia off the hook for election interference in 2016), and it makes matters worse.

Think of it this way - the mayor of a city decides he doesn't like the person running against him in an election. So he uses city resources to investigate that person, outside of the law, based on rumors that he heard from a rival city that is interested in causing his own city to fail.

Congress, meanwhile, does have a constitutional duty to investigate a President who might be engaged in corrupt practices. In fact, normal law enforcement can't touch a sitting President, apparently.

My personal perspective is that Trump lacks the insight and knowledge to follow the laws and traditions of the Presidency. He is used to being the billionaire-in-chief of his various business ventures and is not used to being held accountable for his actions or to being considerate of his effect on others. He probably believes that since he has obtained the office of President, it only makes sense for him to use that office for not only personal political gain, but business gains.

What that can end up doing, is putting his personal interests ahead of the nation's interests. In the case of Trump, it also makes him easier to manipulate by Russia into doing their interests. We have to decide as a nation if we are okay with that setup or not, basically. Does the President serve the nation, or the nation serve the President?
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posted on Dec, 7 2019 @ 07:32 PM
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originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: madenusa

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: madenusa
I've always thought the two party's were working together.
Your trying to say all this back stabbing is real?

nothing has changed your being distracted right now by the circus politics.

The facts speak for themselves.
We’re being robbed blind by a government of thieves.


Not playing the game doesn't mean you are not in the game.

It just means you have given up.

Which is actually exactly where they want you.

Wouldn't want to get all involved and change the government, right?

"We the people” have learned only too well how to be slaves.
when we get to involved they have cavity searches Consider it the penalties for civil disobedience, whistleblowing and rebellion are severe.


So why fight to change that, right?

Since to you its all political theater anyways, they are two sides of the same coin and its all about debt slavery.

Congratulations.... your programming is complete.

As for me, I'll keep fighting, thanks.


"If ye love wealth better than liberty,
the tranquility of servitude
better than the animating contest of freedom,
go home from us in peace.
We ask not your counsels or your arms.
Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you.
May your chains set lightly upon you,
and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."

Samuel Adams.


The government" Both party's" conspired to ensure that the only real recourse the American people have to hold the government accountable or express their displeasure with the government is through voting, which is no real recourse at all...
They have opinion makers and leaders on each side, supplying a few critical flashpoint incidents to create argument.
It gives natural born rebels the illusion of control.
sounds like your a natural born rebel... My opinion is not better than anyone else's

Millions and millions. A tidal wave of voices. All of which use sound bites as their opinion
This is all talk and no results. they can control the masses this way.



posted on Dec, 7 2019 @ 07:33 PM
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Sometimes what we fantasize to be true isn't true at all - despite feeling like it! That's why it is important to gather evidence and produce some kind of logical, reasonable cases for our opinions.


So the current impeachment investigation... do you think it is valid?

Just wondering, since the rest of your post is pure leftist projection and easily proven untrue.




posted on Dec, 7 2019 @ 08:07 PM
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originally posted by: Lumenari
a reply to: darkbake


Sometimes what we fantasize to be true isn't true at all - despite feeling like it! That's why it is important to gather evidence and produce some kind of logical, reasonable cases for our opinions.


So the current impeachment investigation... do you think it is valid?

Just wondering, since the rest of your post is pure leftist projection and easily proven untrue.



If you think parts of my post are "easily proven untrue" I invite you to take the effort to do so. If it's so easy, why not? You might persuade me.

Yes, I think the impeachment investigation is valid. I've watched the proceedings and done my own research on the facts, as well. Do you have any specific reasons you think the inquiry is invalid that you would like to discuss?



posted on Dec, 7 2019 @ 08:25 PM
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a reply to: LumenariThe ability to market a story is everything.
Trump is perfect candidate for news ratings.washingtonspectator.org...



posted on Dec, 7 2019 @ 08:35 PM
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a reply to: Vroomfondel

It all comes down to Supreme Court nominations.

The left can't legislate the anti-Constitutional plans they have for the US.

They have to okay their evil plans through a fixed Supreme Court.

Hillary was supposed to have won. She'd have at least 3 SC picks and cement a leftist agenda. It would have been over, doomsday for America.

That's why they have to get Trump out.

Ruth Bader Ginsberg is on her last legs and if they don't get Trump out, he'll get to replace her as well.



posted on Dec, 7 2019 @ 10:58 PM
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originally posted by: darkbake
It's Trump's own fault he broke the law. If I speed, it isn't the police man's fault for giving me a ticket.


Which law would that be?


Republicans have investigated both the origins of the Russian investigation and illegal immigrants casting votes illegally and have found no evidence of wrongdoing by Democrats etc. in either case.


Not true. We don't have the results of the "investigate the investigators" investigation yet, we'll find out who's right when it comes out.

I'm not going to spend a lot of time tonight researching, mostly because the majority of the results are from far-left websites screaming that it's not true, but this site, still points out the fact that illegal voter issues are still happening nation-wide. The Texas AG found 95,000 registered voters were illegals just as one example. I remember reading about several other cities that had serious issues in 2012 and 2016, it's hardly a new problem. But it is a problem.


They might *want* there to be wrongdoing in both cases because it would be convenient for them, but that doesn't make it true factually. Sometimes what we fantasize to be true isn't true at all - despite feeling like it! That's why it is important to gather evidence and produce some kind of logical, reasonable cases for our opinions. Totalitarian states can result from the people in charge pushing their (factually incorrect) views on others because they *feel* they are correct, yet they disregard the evidence. Working against the facts requires a lot of work - including promoting propaganda and suppressing dissenters who are smart enough to see through the facade.


Well, you're right about that but this time it's actually Dems that are committing the wrong-doings and blaming it on Trump and co. and everyone that supports them.


Trump may suspect Biden was involved in some shady business in Ukraine, but it surprisingly isn't his job to investigate that,


Wrong. It is his business as it had to do with a sitting Vice-President demanding they fire a prosecutor that was investigating a corrupt company that his son was part of or they wouldn't get our aid money. It's on tape in Biden's own words. Proof. Not debatable.


...especially using government resources for personal political gain. For example, the Russian investigation involving Trump was not spearheaded by Obama but started out naturally where it was supposed to - in the intelligence community.


You really have bought into the propaganda from the Left, haven't you? Are you ignoring the evidence that keeps coming out more and more a little at a time? Wow.

(snip)


Congress, meanwhile, does have a constitutional duty to investigate a President who might be engaged in corrupt practices. In fact, normal law enforcement can't touch a sitting President, apparently.


Yep, and they were derelict in their duty during the last administration. When Democrat representatives say in public that there isn't anything illegal or impeachable about what Trump did, you know the "leaders" of the party have gone off the deep end along with most of their constituents.


My personal perspective is that Trump lacks the insight and knowledge to follow the laws and traditions of the Presidency. He is used to being the billionaire-in-chief of his various business ventures and is not used to being held accountable for his actions or to being considerate of his effect on others. He probably believes that since he has obtained the office of President, it only makes sense for him to use that office for not only personal political gain, but business gains.


Wow, you have set the perfect example that Democrats have been conditioned to believe the opposite of what is actually true. While I appreciate your well thought out opinion, I can't help but wonder how you can get it so wrong? The only thing I can think of is you haven't watched the hearings over the last three years, you don't do your own research and you get all of your information from CNN and MSNBC. I could be wrong but I doubt it.
edit on 7-12-2019 by HalWesten because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 8 2019 @ 01:00 AM
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And no solution.
a reply to: Lumenari

There is.

Look up US fertility rates for the last decade. People of color are breeding, people of no color are not. Since the Republican party is MOSTLY and grossly people of no color, this problem will solve itself.

Hence the angst among those individuals.




The problem is that the voters and citizens on the left have been conditioned by the media and the Democratic party to see anyone who doesn't think like them as less than human now


Have you listened to any of Trumps speeches? Just google a few. How does he describe Democrats? Democrats that are fellow Americans, that have SERVED and FOUGHT for this country?



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