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Schiff’s release of phone records is absolutely outrageous

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posted on Dec, 6 2019 @ 02:24 PM
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originally posted by: lostbook

originally posted by: Middleoftheroad
a reply to: lostbook

Again, that is incorrect. The call happened April 21st and Biden announced his candidacy on the 25th.

You guys can keep repeating the left wing propaganda, but the facts won’t change.


I was responding to another poster. I'm not saying Biden is innocent... "Both sides are corrupt" as used to be said around here on ATS. Anyways, my response was about Schiff. What i'm saying is that the only difference between what Schiff did and what Trump did is that Trump went to a foreign government for help fighting his own personal political adversaries whereas Schiff didn't. Schiff used US companies for his dirt. Not saying that it's right for either side to do but it is what it is. This is a no win situation whichever side you choose.


Is that what he REALLY did, or is that was you were told he did? I only ask because in his phone call, he asked that the well known and well documented Ukraine Corruption with regard to Hunter Biden, and Burisma, and the 2016 election be looked into. I didn't hear him ask for dirt, only that he try to find out about it. Which is vastly different than what you posted. But honesty isn't important these days, only being seen as politically woke is. -5 for lack of integrity.




posted on Dec, 6 2019 @ 03:01 PM
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originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: Middleoftheroad
So a question to the left on this site. Is this the new standard you want for our country? Random politicians calling up cell providers and obtaining your personal records without one day in court?


Yes. If a Democrat violates any laws or their oath to the Constitution I expect Republicans not to be so incompetent but to nail the Democrat arse and put them in jail by any legally obtained evidence.

For years we've heard how corrupt Hillary is but nothing ever happens. It's time for Republicans to put up or shut up! Indict the left wing mother effers already and stop being so effing incompetent!

We don’t agree often politically but on this we do. I’m tired of watching the Republicans lay down and not fight back with extreme tenacity for what’s right. It’s one of the issues I’ve had with the pub’s and have been vocal about for awhile. There needs to be some harder counter punches back at the Dems instead of letting things go the way they do sometimes. I would be going after Schiff, Biden, Obama, HRC, Waters, etc in hardcore ruthless fashion right now if I was them. These people are dirty as well as many others, expose it.



posted on Dec, 6 2019 @ 03:34 PM
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originally posted by: mtnshredder
a reply to: Middleoftheroad

What he’s doing is really wrong and I hope all of this comes back on him ten fold. I don’t like to condone violence but.......Schiff is one of those backstabbing arrogant little pompous weasels that takes joy in watching other people suffer. He just needs a good ass kicking and then he would go crawl back under his rock and disappear, he’s a cowards coward and a piece of Schiff!


I'd like to wring his neck but my fingers are too long.



posted on Dec, 6 2019 @ 04:11 PM
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originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: lostbook

originally posted by: Middleoftheroad
a reply to: lostbook

Again, that is incorrect. The call happened April 21st and Biden announced his candidacy on the 25th.

You guys can keep repeating the left wing propaganda, but the facts won’t change.


I was responding to another poster. I'm not saying Biden is innocent... "Both sides are corrupt" as used to be said around here on ATS. Anyways, my response was about Schiff. What i'm saying is that the only difference between what Schiff did and what Trump did is that Trump went to a foreign government for help fighting his own personal political adversaries whereas Schiff didn't. Schiff used US companies for his dirt. Not saying that it's right for either side to do but it is what it is. This is a no win situation whichever side you choose.


Is that what he REALLY did, or is that was you were told he did? I only ask because in his phone call, he asked that the well known and well documented Ukraine Corruption with regard to Hunter Biden, and Burisma, and the 2016 election be looked into. I didn't hear him ask for dirt, only that he try to find out about it. Which is vastly different than what you posted. But honesty isn't important these days, only being seen as politically woke is. -5 for lack of integrity.


It's what's being reported by several news outlets. I know....."media bad!" But it's all I have to go by. None of us were there in on the phone call and the transcript could've been manipulated....you never know. I'm just playing devil's advocate. This IS still a conspiracy site isn't it?



posted on Dec, 6 2019 @ 05:01 PM
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originally posted by: lostbook

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: lostbook

originally posted by: Middleoftheroad
a reply to: lostbook

Again, that is incorrect. The call happened April 21st and Biden announced his candidacy on the 25th.

You guys can keep repeating the left wing propaganda, but the facts won’t change.


I was responding to another poster. I'm not saying Biden is innocent... "Both sides are corrupt" as used to be said around here on ATS. Anyways, my response was about Schiff. What i'm saying is that the only difference between what Schiff did and what Trump did is that Trump went to a foreign government for help fighting his own personal political adversaries whereas Schiff didn't. Schiff used US companies for his dirt. Not saying that it's right for either side to do but it is what it is. This is a no win situation whichever side you choose.


Is that what he REALLY did, or is that was you were told he did? I only ask because in his phone call, he asked that the well known and well documented Ukraine Corruption with regard to Hunter Biden, and Burisma, and the 2016 election be looked into. I didn't hear him ask for dirt, only that he try to find out about it. Which is vastly different than what you posted. But honesty isn't important these days, only being seen as politically woke is. -5 for lack of integrity.


It's what's being reported by several news outlets. I know....."media bad!" But it's all I have to go by. None of us were there in on the phone call and the transcript could've been manipulated....you never know. I'm just playing devil's advocate. This IS still a conspiracy site isn't it?


It's a conspiracy site, but we have that "deny ignorance" thing, and believing that somehow official white house transcripts were changed, yet nobody who was on the call contests, what was released.......I'll let you do that math involved there.



posted on Dec, 6 2019 @ 05:58 PM
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originally posted by: tjack

originally posted by: mtnshredder
a reply to: Middleoftheroad

What he’s doing is really wrong and I hope all of this comes back on him ten fold. I don’t like to condone violence but.......Schiff is one of those backstabbing arrogant little pompous weasels that takes joy in watching other people suffer. He just needs a good ass kicking and then he would go crawl back under his rock and disappear, he’s a cowards coward and a piece of Schiff!


I'd like to wring his neck but my fingers are too long.

Yeah, I think a lot of us would like to do the same. He's a slime ball and a snake. I can't stand to even look or listen to the guy. I get the same feeling whenever I see Swalwell, Waters, Nadler, Pelosi and a few others. Odd thing is they're always Democrats I can't stand the most. IDK why? LOL



posted on Dec, 6 2019 @ 06:03 PM
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a reply to: mtnshredder

It's disgusting how much Democrats are against what's best for the country. Good economic numbers today, but the Democrats are more concerned about hurting the man who dared to make things better.

It's even more disgusting that AMERICANS elected them, and most likely will re-elect these traitors again.




posted on Dec, 6 2019 @ 07:34 PM
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a reply to: carewemust
Yep and I don't get it. The fact that millions of people are willfully buying into all the Dem BS they're feeding the American public right now is honestly very baffling to me. It's so easy to see through it that I struggle to understand why so many others can't. I'm certainly no fortune teller with special powers to see things others can't. Most all of us recognize that neither party is perfect and both have their own inherent faults, but good gawd the insanity of the left is leaps and bounds ahead of the right and growing. How people can continue to blindly support them is apparently beyond my comprehension skills.



posted on Dec, 6 2019 @ 11:14 PM
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The thing all Americans should be concerned with is the absolute one sided rights abuse by congressional democrats, especially Shiff. In America we have civil rights concerning any investigation or case we may find ourselves in. If the left is willing to deny the right to face your accuser, the right to call your own witnesses, etc. has be trampled under foot by Shiff and his band of lunatics.

If they are willing to deny rights to a sitting duly elected President, what hope do you have as a normal citizen to have your "RIGHTS" guaranteed when they get in power. The left's candidates have already have said "we are coming for your guns", they want to federalize 1/6th of the economy (medical insurance and practice of medicine) and bring in a 'single payer' insurance, etc. It only gets worse. These people do not respect the constitutional rights we enjoy in this country.

Running with the globalist elite, they believe they are your rulers. The want central planning and to regulate, tax, spend, and prosecute people for using their 2nd amendment rights and even the 1st and 4th. They came up with Free Speech Zones, All manner of new laws, like red flag laws targeting gun owners 2nd amendment RIGHTS! What part of "Shall Not Be Infringed" do these idiots not understand. Your rights under a Democratic administration will be under attack. I could write a book on how the federal government has managed to breach the constitutional restrictions put on it by the founding fathers.

Fortunately Trump has 2 SCOTUS constitutional justices. With Ruth Bader Ginsburg in and out of the hospital, she stands a good chance of not being able to continue. Trump would get a 3rd pick. What does the left do? They want to change the makeup of the court by expanding it. Trump had another 182 federal judge vaccancies confirmed and filled. Prior to that he had a lot more federal judges confirmed. Many of the left's policies can't get through congress and signed into law. the left has relied on the courts to get their policies enacted. Just look at the 9th circuit for being very liberal minded judges. I believe Trump got one or two judges confirmed to the 9th circuit.

Schiff's crap show did much more damage to the party. A recent article I read said the Trump campaign registered 35,000+ new voters at a recent rally, 27% were Hispanic and 30% black voters. They were all democrats or new voters registering Republican. Schiff has managed to do more damage to the Democrats than they managed to do with the Russia hoax. I don't care who you are in America, having fair investigations and trials is the cornerstone of the American system of justice and government. Without it we are just another banana republic. The nation saw the spectacle the Dems have produced and reject it out of hand.

Democrats including Pelosi and Schiff know with pure certainty that this impeachment is DOA in the Senate where Trump will get a fair trial and bring evidence and witnesses to testify. Biden and the rest of the swamp are so scared of what truth is coming including indictments and arrests that they wanted this impeachment to interfere with the 2020 election by pealing off some voters in the swing states in hopes of winning in 2020. This backfired almost out of the gate.

They have galvanized the Republicans and Trump's supporters in ways much stronger than the 2016 election. I meet Dems all the time that have either left the party or stay registered Dem but will be voting for Trump. They all say in their round about ways that the treatment of this President by the left since day one was so wrong that they only made it much harder and near impossible to beat Trump with their lack luster candidates. The people are not stupid and they realize if the left can do this to the president, they would fare much worse. I don't know what will happen when the left realizes the damage they have done to their divided party, socialist vs capitalist, that it will make all the crying and tears from 2016 to seem like nothing with the realization they lost all power again.

As a veteran, we have been fighting socialist/communist tyrants and troops all over the globe for the last 150 years. There is a reason we are the richest, strongest, and most successful country in the world. We are also the youngest country compared with others that have been around for thousands of years. It was not socialism or communism that made America. When a KGB Colonel and President of Russia tells us like he did in 2008, "Do not move to socialism. It doesn't work", you should sit up and take note. The media and the left are a disaster that is tearing this country apart. We will succeed. We have 32 million under arms prepared for any eventuality. You don't see refugees from America. We dust off our guns and fix the problem. I hope in all sincerity that this undercurrent never gets ignited.

All most American's care about is paying their bills, having a nice place to live, have their children grow up and go to good schools, etc. Most of the crap the extremist left runs around whining about doesn't even hit the needle of concern for most of us. We just want to live our lives. We don't care who you love or what you do on your own time. We sent Trump to DC to kick over some desks and get the corruption out of government. Huge task that is hard for anyone to reign in. However, it is a central point to the impeachment. Shiff says Trump doesn't care about corruption and that is central to the phone call to Pres. Zelensky. Trump not long after getting in office signed an EO on corruption.

Executive Order DCPD-201700923 - Executive Order 13818-Blocking the Property of Persons Involved in Serious Human Rights Abuse or Corruption

So, him asking about corruption related to Hunter and Joe Biden was just part of why we sent him there. We want to get the corruption out. We as a nation demand it! This could be one reason they rushed out the impeachment. They are scared that this could be verified and take out the one person they hope can beat Trump, the Biden Crime Family is panicking.

The left continuously cried about Russian collusion which was less than a nothing burger. Ukraine president Porshenko and their diplomats met with Congressional Democrats, the DNC, and some others during the 2016 election. There were a few meetings. Right afterward Ukraine put out several ads supporting Hillary Clinton. They are so scared of being outed for collusion and foreign interference of our 2016 election the left doesn't know what to do. Trump has sent a letter to State Dept requesting all records from those meetings. I have said it before, the left projects their guilt on others for things they themselves have done. This will be revealed. Remember Hillary saying, "If that bastard wins we will all hang"! I believe they have come out with this charade at this time to also try to keep the IG reports from being in the news. Monday Dec. 9th is when one IG report on the FISA scandal is supposed to come out.



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posted on Dec, 7 2019 @ 08:19 AM
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a reply to: spirit_horse

The short answer. You are dealing with people that want a single party form of government. A nanny state that will make everything “fair”. They are willing to give in to the corruption and abuses inherent to such a system for “security”.



posted on Dec, 7 2019 @ 09:18 AM
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What does the constitution say about a coup de ta
Working to take out the president?

These liberal Democrats are beyond disgusting



posted on Dec, 7 2019 @ 09:13 PM
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a reply to: neo96
Neo96, it actually seems to be worse than that.
Schiff is up to his bs again!!
I hope Nunes cleans his clock!!!


www.weaselzippers.us...



posted on Dec, 7 2019 @ 09:38 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: mysterioustranger

The problem is Impeachment is a purely political process.

Schiff violated other peoples civil liberty.

IE abuse of power.

Because now POLITICS is ignoring our due process RIGHTS.
Pelosi and Schiff both put themselves above the law.



posted on Dec, 8 2019 @ 09:03 PM
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originally posted by: Middleoftheroad
a reply to: lostbook

False, Biden hadn’t even announced his candidacy yet.

The call in question happened April 21st and Biden announced his candidacy on April 25th.



What a bombshell (tee hee)!!! I hadn't even realized this part of the argument. At the time, it was pure speculation whether Biden would even enter the race.....and still hadn't at the time of the phone call. I mean, this blows the Dems whole theory apart. Why would a sitting President care about someone that MAY enter the race rather than be focused on the other 19 that were.

You are the first person I've seen even bring those dates up. Surprising as FOX and other news outlets should be screaming this or it at least should've been brought up in the hearings. Thanks for bringing this to my attention!!



posted on Dec, 8 2019 @ 09:10 PM
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a reply to: halfoldman


Me and the wife were talking about that same thing during the hearings. When I look at the Democrats, whether politicians or just in general, they appear to be almost demonic in their appearance. Not on like some weird mushroom induced hallucination, but just that there's something very off putting about each of them. They don't look like normal people whatsoever.

My wife made the comment that they look like followers of Charlie back in the 60's. The girls appeared normal at first glance, but if you looked at them for a minute, their appearance just looks sinister. I'm not even a follower of religion and I still get demon vibes man.



posted on Dec, 11 2019 @ 01:34 PM
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a reply to: MrBuddy

It's only been covered by right-wing media. The common rebuttal I've seen is he knew Biden would run because he was leading in the polls, but that's speculation. Just the same as everything else the left accuse Trump of.



posted on Dec, 12 2019 @ 01:38 AM
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Let's cut to the chase...from tonight's House Judiciary Impeachment mark-up arguments:

Donald Trump is an existential threat to the existence of a corrupt DC system we have exposed to his disinfecting sunlight.

Donald Trump is the existential threat to every entity who benefits from that corrupt and vile system.

SOURCE: theconservativetreehouse.com... about/


BTW...Here are the TIME "Crook of the Year" nominees.

Who Will Win? : twitter.com...
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