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Has Trump been secretly baiting the left into impeaching him?

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posted on Dec, 6 2019 @ 07:48 AM
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a reply to: Sillyolme

lol suuuuuureeee guess you just had to get those talking points straight eh?

www.mlive.com... even that isnt certian yet not that impeaching him will do anything because of the senate

U.S. Rep. John Moolenaar, R-Watersmeet, criticized House Democrats being more focused on impeachment than doing the work of the people in a statement. All of seven of Michigan’s Democratic members of Congress and independent Rep. Justin Amash expressed concerns about Trump’s actions. Only a few committed to ousting Trump U.S. Rep. Brenda Lawrence, D-Southfield, recently indicated she preferred censuring Trump to expelling him from the Oval Office. Republicans seized on the comments as evidence of declining support for impeachment, but Lawrence released a statement days later noting she was an early supporter of the impeachment inquiry. .
so now they seem to think censuring is the better option so you may not even get am impeachment
kvia.com...
oh and now the court process according to pelosi is magically obstruction of justice sigh.......

But House Speaker Nancy Pelosi asserted earlier on Thursday that the House has sufficient grounds to move ahead now on articles of impeachment. She insisted Trump’s efforts to win the intervention of judges in disputes over witnesses and documents only reinforce his defiance of the House. “When you keep asking why don’t we wait for these court cases,” she said at a news conference, “the President’s action in … taking these things to court and then bumping them up in (a higher) court (on appeal) is an obstruction of justice. We’re not going to be accomplices to his obstruction of justice.”
so using how the consitution layed out how appeals processes work to higher courts is now obstruction of justice eh that will be a fun sound byte to play

www.realclearpolitics.com... but if and when it gets to the senate is when the fun begins for some of us

On Thursday the former vice president showed just how sensitive he is on the topic. Biden lashed out at an Iowa voter who accused the 77-year-old Democratic primary contender of being too old and helping his son Hunter attain a lucrative role serving on the board of Burisma, a Ukrainian natural gas company, despite having no prior experience in the energy sector. “You’re a damn liar, man. That’s not true, and no one has ever said that,” Biden fired back. He then challenged the 83-year-old man to a push-ups contest or an “IQ test,” referring to him as “Jack,” in the process. The video of the ugly exchange immediately went viral, leading even liberal media commentators to press Biden to find a better answer to voters’ legitimate questions about his son’s Burisma role. If Biden thought that townhall question was tough, he can expect far worse from Senate Republicans as the impeachment enters the next phase and moves to the upper chamber early next year.
and this one just for you

Chalupa has said she’s “on a mission” to testify and repudiate such accusations. But there’s a reason Democrats didn’t put her in the hearing hot seat last month. She has publicly said that officials at the Ukrainian Embassy were “helpful” to her efforts to research the activities of Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort’s Russia ties – even as she insisted the embassy was not trying to interfere in American politics. Any nuanced distinction without a dramatic difference about Chalupa’s role will likely be lost on many Americans who lived through the nearly two-year-long Mueller investigation, which ended without finding sufficient evidence of Trump campaign collusion with Russia to influence the election.
so no sufficent evidence for russia eh? so much for "all roads leads to putin leads to russia" as you put it
www.usatoday.com...

The problem the Democrats have is that their impeachment hearings proved a point that almost everyone knows: Trump did it. The Democrats, and much of the news media, say the hearings were full of bombshells and smoking guns. But the smoking guns were BBs and the bombshells were duds.In football terms, Trump deserves a flag for a false start, or maybe unnecessary roughness. But the Democrats want to add up all the penalty flags Trump has earned in three years of his presidency, and they see the Ukrainian phone call as incontrovertible proof that the president should be thrown out of the game. I, on the other hand, heard nothing that rises to the level of impeachment.
so again more media shift from impeachment to censure they sure cant stick with any kind of plan and changing the charges ever other week or so isnt really helping their arguments with undecided voters and one final snippet from the usa today article

The governed should decide what to do with President Trump, not 218 House members and 67 senators as called for under the Constitution. An election, not an impeachment, is the better way of keeping this republic. As an occasional Trump critic and an occasional Trump supporter, I have a deal for the Democrats: I won’t try to persuade them to support the president if they will stop trying to persuade me to impeach and convict him.
TLDR beat him at the ballot box unless your afraid you will loose

my pet theory that aside from trying to "make trump look bad" before the 2020 election they want the uncertainty of impeachment to mess with the stock market as that is the greatest weapon trump has wielded like a cudgel against the democrats, the economy finance.yahoo.com...

Billionaire bond investor Jeffrey Gundlach, who accurately predicted Donald Trump's presidency in early 2016 before the Republican primaries concluded, thinks that Trump is going to win re-election if the economy holds together. The president’s approval ratings are under-water, and he lags virtually all of the major Democratic contenders in generic polls. However, the relative outperformance of the U.S. economy — which is helping to keep him competitive in swing states — may be Trump’s saving grace. "It's all about the economy. And I think that if the economy holds together — and it just might — into the election, I think Trump's going to win," Gundlach, the CEO of $150 billion DoubleLine Capital, told Yahoo Finance in an exclusive interview. Gundlach characterized the crowded slate of candidates on the Democratic side as "pretty weak," renewing his criticism of those queuing up to oppose the president.


time.com... speaking of the economy lets talk about the rnc fund raising which is hitting pretty damn near record levels with this whole impeachment nonsense and the republicans are crushing the dems on that front with impeachment being a huge factor in that to tune of 150 million, and 3 million on the day of the impeachment announcement more then 6x the norm




posted on Dec, 6 2019 @ 08:10 AM
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markets.businessinsider.com... speaking of the economy seems there may just be 266,000 new reasons for some of america to keep supporting trump if these job numbers are anything to go off of

Government data out Friday showed the US added far more jobs than expected in November, relieving concerns that one of the brightest spots in the economy may have started to run out of steam. The Bureau of Labor Statistics said 266,000 nonfarm payrolls were created last month, pushing the unemployment rate to a historically low 3.5%. The figure was temporarily boosted by the end of a six-week strike at General Motors, which had idled roughly 50,000 workers throughout October.
so even if you take the formerly striking workers out of the equation that is still a respectable 216 non farm jobs added for what was forcast to not be doing this well

www.forbes.com...

Warning Signs for Washington? Sixty percent in the mid-November Morning Consult poll said the impeachment was more important to the media than to them. Twenty-nine percent disagreed. Sixty percent also said it is more important to politicians than to them. Fifty-five percent say that they find it difficult to tell all the investigations in Washington apart. In most polls, neither Republicans nor Democrats are getting high marks for their work. So, while most things have stayed the same since October, there is evidence that many Americans may feel differently about the impeachment process than many Washington politicos do. For Americans, it isn’t a top priority. The totality of the polls (and the audiences for the hearings) suggest that many people are simply exhausted by the whole process. They prefer to make their opinions known at the ballot box, and they think journalists and politicians find the issue of greater importance than they do. The Democrats on the House Intelligence Committee have not brought the country along, as Nancy Pelosi hoped. This is certainly one reason why many people and many Democrats would like to see it wrapped up very soon.
so impeachment fatigue setting in which may explain Nancy's haste in the matter

how are the swing states responding to the specter of impeachment? www.politico.com...

THE AMERICAN ACTION NETWORK -- one of the main House GOP outside groups -- is one of the entities that is spending piles of cash to drive that point home. A few weeks ago, we told you that AAN was spending $7 MILLION on television in an effort to brand the impeachment as politically motivated, and hampering Congress’ work in other critical areas. One of those ads is here THE GROUP checked up on its investment on Sunday and Monday with polling, and says those ads are having a pretty significant impact. AAN polled in the swing districts of Reps. SUSIE LEE (D-Nev.) and ANTHONY BRINDISI (D-N.Y.) and the very heavily Trump district represented by Rep. KENDRA HORN (D-Okla.). HERE’S THE TOPLINE: IMPEACHMENT APPEARS -- at this point, according to this polling -- to be a liability. In BRINDISI’S and LEE’S districts, 53% of voters are less likely to vote for them if they support impeachment. 48% of voters are less likely to vote for HORN -- whose district is quite conservative. THIS IS NOTABLE TOO … MORE THAN 60% in each of these districts say they believe voters, not the impeachment process, should decide whether to keep Trump in office.
so there is that but hey clintons back into the whole 2020 election by once again going after sanders

www.realclearpolitics.com... ml

CLINTON: He could have. He hurt me. There is no doubt about it, he hurt me. But going back to indictments -- STERN: Have you ever spoken to Bernie about that? CLINTON: No. STERN: You ever talk to him? CLINTON: I don't talk to him. We did when he finally endorsed me and all that. STERN: But you're upset with him? CLINTON: No, disappointed. Disappointed. And I hope he doesn't do it again to whoever gets the nomination. Once is enough. We have to join forces.
so now she once again is saying bernie does not have a chance and should be getting ready to endorse who ever the candidate is ,perhaps she should learn to stay out of this election as we know how the last one ended up and antagonizing bernie voters for a second time may come back to bite the dems , and the comments on the rcp article are gold btw
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posted on Dec, 6 2019 @ 08:12 AM
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The Senate conducts a trial to determine guilt, they can summon witnesses, whose testimony may put the guilt on other parties. Let's remember Trump is a counter puncher, the harder you hit him, the stronger he hits backs. impeachment is his hardest hit. Then again Trump has his Trump card, what Israel calls the Samson option, if you lose, you bring the whole structure down, he has the power and people to do just that.



Trump has said he wants to call former Vice President Joe Biden, who is a leading contender for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2020, and his son Hunter Biden, who served on the board of Ukrainian energy company.Trump, who is seeking re-election, has accused the Bidens of corruption, without providing evidence, and pushed Ukraine’s president to investigate them in a July 25 phone call that triggered the impeachment inquiry. Trump has defended the phone call as perfect and said he did nothing wrong.Biden has said he would not voluntarily testify at a Senate trial but has not said how he would respond to a subpoena. The prospect of Biden leaving the campaign trail to defend himself against Trump’s allegations in the very chamber where he served for decades holds the potential for must-watch TV. Historically, a president’s defense lawyers have been allowed to request witness testimony, but such demands must be approved by a majority of senators.


Looks like a trap to me, and all the senators that are running for President have to come off the election trail for the trial and if it gets stretched out into 2020, that pulls them away at a critical moment. Also imagine the Bidens squirming under lethal questioning right as the first primary votes happen. Yeah it's a trap, and the Democrats fell right into it, they are so stupid.
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posted on Dec, 6 2019 @ 08:39 AM
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www.washingtonexaminer.com...

The reason for Trump’s opportunity with minority voters is the economy. Blacks and Hispanics have felt the impact of historic gains in jobs, both for adults and teenagers. Trump has produced on a front where President Barack Obama didn’t. Hispanic polling has shown a significant drift in Trump’s direction. In November, the president spoke to several hundred African Americans in Atlanta. The event got little press attention, but it was seen by Republican strategists as a breakthrough. With the withdrawal of Kamala Harris from the race for the presidential nomination, the Democratic field is without a major minority candidate. Trump will make the most of this fact. Weak opponents. The Democratic presidential field is unimpressive. Only Joe Biden has serious backing in the black community. But in debates, he has been inarticulate and occasionally confused. At 78, he acts his age. Could he stand up to Trump in a one-on-one, nationally televised debate? Probably not. Bernie Sanders, the socialist, has a built-in following from the 2016 campaign. But he’s not enlarged it. Like the other candidates, he’s proposing vastly more government and higher taxes. As a recipe for success next year, that’s problematic. Sanders is tough, but not as tough as Trump.
so seems hes looking like he will pick up larger by comparison to other republican presidents in the past mainly due to the economy and jobs numbers for those communities



posted on Dec, 6 2019 @ 08:50 AM
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so using how the consitution layed out how appeals processes work to higher courts is now obstruction of justice eh that will be a fun sound byte to play


Marvelous. So asking Courts for a ruling is now Obstruction of Justice.

You Must Submit. Period. Bend Over and take it.

Can't even make up this stuff.

Going to enjoy this.



posted on Dec, 6 2019 @ 11:16 AM
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i.redd.it... here is another fun one from the way back machine ,pelosis comments on republicans wanting to impeach hillary clinton if she won 2016 ill try to copy it nm found link

www.speaker.gov...

November 3, 2016 Press Release Washington, D.C. – House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi released the following statement on public statements made by House and Senate Republicans regarding plans to impeach President Hillary Clinton in the 115th Congress: “In 1996, Congressional Republicans abandoned their presidential nominee and campaigned for a Republican House and Senate to serve as a ‘check’ on the Clinton White House. Their ‘check’ on the Clinton White House was impeaching President Bill Clinton for matters that had nothing to do with his presidency. “Twenty years later, Congressional Republicans are taking the same approach. Citing the need to be a ‘check’ on the Clinton White House, Congressional Republicans are again plotting to obstruct and hold investigations for years. This time, Republicans aren’t even hiding that they have impeachment in mind. “In addition to there being no grounds for impeachment to begin with, moving to impeach President Hillary Clinton for alleged activities from before the election would be a brazen attempt to nullify the vote of the American people, outside our constitutional framework and destructive to the Framers’ intent. “Congressional Republicans have stated their purpose is to waste taxpayer money and time on years of frivolous investigations instead of creating jobs through investing in infrastructure, education and innovation, and strengthening our democracy by ending the scourge of secret money in our elections. “The American people want Republicans to accept the will of the people and take impeachment off the table. Responsible Republicans must do so immediately.”


haha almost sounds like shes saying the exact same things trump has said for the last few years so yeah id say this is points for the OPS theory that trump baited her into this and how hes been choosing what words hes been using very carefully it would be hilarious if not so sad



posted on Dec, 6 2019 @ 12:14 PM
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haha almost sounds like shes saying the exact same things trump has said for the last few years so yeah id say this is points for the OPS theory that trump baited her into this and how hes been choosing what words hes been using very carefully it would be hilarious if not so sad


I'm sure he is doing that.

Remember, No One is Above the Law. TheDemocrats said so..........

Using their own words to destroy them. How fitting.



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posted on Dec, 6 2019 @ 12:57 PM
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Trump isn't smart enough to come up with, and execute a plan that actually works. He's the worse POTUS in history, thankfully this board is coming around to see it. Make the rest of us proud ATS and continue to shame and call out this abhorrent president. Like you, I too miss the Obama days.



posted on Dec, 6 2019 @ 01:55 PM
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a reply to: scauma

Obama is an actual criminal.

You are an actual troll.

Your post is Bullsh!t.



posted on Dec, 6 2019 @ 02:07 PM
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a reply to: toolgal462

Rob Zombie makes horrible music and movies.



posted on Dec, 6 2019 @ 02:14 PM
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Just saying things doesn't make it true. Trump will be impeached because he did some shht he wasn't supposed too. I'm sure you remember how much of a hard-on R's had for Obama. If he did anything out of the norm, he would've been impeached too. But he wasn't which means they had nothing on him, which means he did nothing unbecoming of the office, unlike your guy. When it's all said and done I would not be surprised if Trump was charged with, and guilty of, treason. I mean he is doing the bidding of Putin after all. So your post was only 1/3 correct, yes I like to troll ATS because you guys make it so easy too



posted on Dec, 6 2019 @ 04:44 PM
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its 4d chess he is the master not even captain spock could stop him



posted on Dec, 6 2019 @ 05:43 PM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha

Hillary?... Hillary is that you?




posted on Dec, 6 2019 @ 05:50 PM
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a reply to: Blue_Jay33

*DING! DING! DING!*

"What do we have for him, Johhny?"



posted on Dec, 6 2019 @ 07:25 PM
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originally posted by: scauma
Trump isn't smart enough to come up with, and execute a plan that actually works. He's the worse POTUS in history, thankfully this board is coming around to see it. Make the rest of us proud ATS and continue to shame and call out this abhorrent president. Like you, I too miss the Obama days.

What is this *grand plan* Trump is supposed to enact that 8 years of the Obama Salad days should have? Tell me about Obama and how his positive message of change helped this country and did not ACTUALLY just line his pockets? A Martha Vineyard 14 million dollar home is not just a little excessive even for the blatant hypocrite he is.



posted on Dec, 6 2019 @ 07:29 PM
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originally posted by: nataliep
its 4d chess he is the master not even captain spock could stop him

A sneak attack presidential candidate that was designed by powers you are not aware of (brilliant). Sometimes we have to go beyond norms. We get tired of always being the lawful respectful good guys. They cheat with impunity; fine. We can play this game as well (get in the gutter) and because we have a sense of humor and are smarter than the average bear will out best them every time. The Dems have been manipulated to walk off a carefully paved/manicured cliff.
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posted on Dec, 6 2019 @ 10:43 PM
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originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: dashen

All roads lead to PUTIN therefore, all roads lead to RUSSIA.

Rusha
Rusha
Rusha

Ole bobby 2 sticks really let you down didn't he?
As did Hillary

The dems wont control the trial
Actual evidence, not rumors or hearsay will rule the day.
It will bury the dnc.
More winning



posted on Dec, 7 2019 @ 01:18 AM
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Trump didn't get to be a billionaire by being stupid. He will win out on this and in fact, I think this whole fiasco will cement his additional four years because the Democrats have showed just how desperate they are to try and give something back to their foreign lobbyist contributors.

The American people are sick of bad deals, a broken economy and new taxes based on what I can only call "liberal science". Too many international papers have been signed this last decade that make sense for other nations and no sense for America. That is what is being cleaned up and in doing so, Trump is stepping on a lot of toes because he is breaking promises corrupt officials have made in the recent past by selling America out for personal gain.

As strange as this is to say, I think history may see Trump as one of the best and most effective presidents since America's inception. He means business and works hard every day to reign back in the horrible deals we had across the entire world. That is why our economy is so good right now, any past POTUS could of done this, they just didn't have the balls.

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posted on Dec, 7 2019 @ 01:44 AM
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I think Trump is lost.



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