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so now they seem to think censuring is the better option so you may not even get am impeachment
U.S. Rep. John Moolenaar, R-Watersmeet, criticized House Democrats being more focused on impeachment than doing the work of the people in a statement. All of seven of Michigan’s Democratic members of Congress and independent Rep. Justin Amash expressed concerns about Trump’s actions. Only a few committed to ousting Trump U.S. Rep. Brenda Lawrence, D-Southfield, recently indicated she preferred censuring Trump to expelling him from the Oval Office. Republicans seized on the comments as evidence of declining support for impeachment, but Lawrence released a statement days later noting she was an early supporter of the impeachment inquiry. .
so using how the consitution layed out how appeals processes work to higher courts is now obstruction of justice eh that will be a fun sound byte to play
But House Speaker Nancy Pelosi asserted earlier on Thursday that the House has sufficient grounds to move ahead now on articles of impeachment. She insisted Trump’s efforts to win the intervention of judges in disputes over witnesses and documents only reinforce his defiance of the House. “When you keep asking why don’t we wait for these court cases,” she said at a news conference, “the President’s action in … taking these things to court and then bumping them up in (a higher) court (on appeal) is an obstruction of justice. We’re not going to be accomplices to his obstruction of justice.”
and this one just for you
On Thursday the former vice president showed just how sensitive he is on the topic. Biden lashed out at an Iowa voter who accused the 77-year-old Democratic primary contender of being too old and helping his son Hunter attain a lucrative role serving on the board of Burisma, a Ukrainian natural gas company, despite having no prior experience in the energy sector. “You’re a damn liar, man. That’s not true, and no one has ever said that,” Biden fired back. He then challenged the 83-year-old man to a push-ups contest or an “IQ test,” referring to him as “Jack,” in the process. The video of the ugly exchange immediately went viral, leading even liberal media commentators to press Biden to find a better answer to voters’ legitimate questions about his son’s Burisma role. If Biden thought that townhall question was tough, he can expect far worse from Senate Republicans as the impeachment enters the next phase and moves to the upper chamber early next year.
so no sufficent evidence for russia eh? so much for "all roads leads to putin leads to russia" as you put it
Chalupa has said she’s “on a mission” to testify and repudiate such accusations. But there’s a reason Democrats didn’t put her in the hearing hot seat last month. She has publicly said that officials at the Ukrainian Embassy were “helpful” to her efforts to research the activities of Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort’s Russia ties – even as she insisted the embassy was not trying to interfere in American politics. Any nuanced distinction without a dramatic difference about Chalupa’s role will likely be lost on many Americans who lived through the nearly two-year-long Mueller investigation, which ended without finding sufficient evidence of Trump campaign collusion with Russia to influence the election.
so again more media shift from impeachment to censure they sure cant stick with any kind of plan and changing the charges ever other week or so isnt really helping their arguments with undecided voters and one final snippet from the usa today article
The problem the Democrats have is that their impeachment hearings proved a point that almost everyone knows: Trump did it. The Democrats, and much of the news media, say the hearings were full of bombshells and smoking guns. But the smoking guns were BBs and the bombshells were duds.In football terms, Trump deserves a flag for a false start, or maybe unnecessary roughness. But the Democrats want to add up all the penalty flags Trump has earned in three years of his presidency, and they see the Ukrainian phone call as incontrovertible proof that the president should be thrown out of the game. I, on the other hand, heard nothing that rises to the level of impeachment.
TLDR beat him at the ballot box unless your afraid you will loose
The governed should decide what to do with President Trump, not 218 House members and 67 senators as called for under the Constitution. An election, not an impeachment, is the better way of keeping this republic. As an occasional Trump critic and an occasional Trump supporter, I have a deal for the Democrats: I won’t try to persuade them to support the president if they will stop trying to persuade me to impeach and convict him.
Billionaire bond investor Jeffrey Gundlach, who accurately predicted Donald Trump's presidency in early 2016 before the Republican primaries concluded, thinks that Trump is going to win re-election if the economy holds together. The president’s approval ratings are under-water, and he lags virtually all of the major Democratic contenders in generic polls. However, the relative outperformance of the U.S. economy — which is helping to keep him competitive in swing states — may be Trump’s saving grace. "It's all about the economy. And I think that if the economy holds together — and it just might — into the election, I think Trump's going to win," Gundlach, the CEO of $150 billion DoubleLine Capital, told Yahoo Finance in an exclusive interview. Gundlach characterized the crowded slate of candidates on the Democratic side as "pretty weak," renewing his criticism of those queuing up to oppose the president.
so even if you take the formerly striking workers out of the equation that is still a respectable 216 non farm jobs added for what was forcast to not be doing this well
Government data out Friday showed the US added far more jobs than expected in November, relieving concerns that one of the brightest spots in the economy may have started to run out of steam. The Bureau of Labor Statistics said 266,000 nonfarm payrolls were created last month, pushing the unemployment rate to a historically low 3.5%. The figure was temporarily boosted by the end of a six-week strike at General Motors, which had idled roughly 50,000 workers throughout October.
so impeachment fatigue setting in which may explain Nancy's haste in the matter
Warning Signs for Washington? Sixty percent in the mid-November Morning Consult poll said the impeachment was more important to the media than to them. Twenty-nine percent disagreed. Sixty percent also said it is more important to politicians than to them. Fifty-five percent say that they find it difficult to tell all the investigations in Washington apart. In most polls, neither Republicans nor Democrats are getting high marks for their work. So, while most things have stayed the same since October, there is evidence that many Americans may feel differently about the impeachment process than many Washington politicos do. For Americans, it isn’t a top priority. The totality of the polls (and the audiences for the hearings) suggest that many people are simply exhausted by the whole process. They prefer to make their opinions known at the ballot box, and they think journalists and politicians find the issue of greater importance than they do. The Democrats on the House Intelligence Committee have not brought the country along, as Nancy Pelosi hoped. This is certainly one reason why many people and many Democrats would like to see it wrapped up very soon.
so there is that but hey clintons back into the whole 2020 election by once again going after sanders
THE AMERICAN ACTION NETWORK -- one of the main House GOP outside groups -- is one of the entities that is spending piles of cash to drive that point home. A few weeks ago, we told you that AAN was spending $7 MILLION on television in an effort to brand the impeachment as politically motivated, and hampering Congress’ work in other critical areas. One of those ads is here THE GROUP checked up on its investment on Sunday and Monday with polling, and says those ads are having a pretty significant impact. AAN polled in the swing districts of Reps. SUSIE LEE (D-Nev.) and ANTHONY BRINDISI (D-N.Y.) and the very heavily Trump district represented by Rep. KENDRA HORN (D-Okla.). HERE’S THE TOPLINE: IMPEACHMENT APPEARS -- at this point, according to this polling -- to be a liability. In BRINDISI’S and LEE’S districts, 53% of voters are less likely to vote for them if they support impeachment. 48% of voters are less likely to vote for HORN -- whose district is quite conservative. THIS IS NOTABLE TOO … MORE THAN 60% in each of these districts say they believe voters, not the impeachment process, should decide whether to keep Trump in office.
so now she once again is saying bernie does not have a chance and should be getting ready to endorse who ever the candidate is ,perhaps she should learn to stay out of this election as we know how the last one ended up and antagonizing bernie voters for a second time may come back to bite the dems , and the comments on the rcp article are gold btw
CLINTON: He could have. He hurt me. There is no doubt about it, he hurt me. But going back to indictments -- STERN: Have you ever spoken to Bernie about that? CLINTON: No. STERN: You ever talk to him? CLINTON: I don't talk to him. We did when he finally endorsed me and all that. STERN: But you're upset with him? CLINTON: No, disappointed. Disappointed. And I hope he doesn't do it again to whoever gets the nomination. Once is enough. We have to join forces.
Trump has said he wants to call former Vice President Joe Biden, who is a leading contender for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2020, and his son Hunter Biden, who served on the board of Ukrainian energy company.Trump, who is seeking re-election, has accused the Bidens of corruption, without providing evidence, and pushed Ukraine’s president to investigate them in a July 25 phone call that triggered the impeachment inquiry. Trump has defended the phone call as perfect and said he did nothing wrong.Biden has said he would not voluntarily testify at a Senate trial but has not said how he would respond to a subpoena. The prospect of Biden leaving the campaign trail to defend himself against Trump’s allegations in the very chamber where he served for decades holds the potential for must-watch TV. Historically, a president’s defense lawyers have been allowed to request witness testimony, but such demands must be approved by a majority of senators.
so seems hes looking like he will pick up larger by comparison to other republican presidents in the past mainly due to the economy and jobs numbers for those communities
The reason for Trump’s opportunity with minority voters is the economy. Blacks and Hispanics have felt the impact of historic gains in jobs, both for adults and teenagers. Trump has produced on a front where President Barack Obama didn’t. Hispanic polling has shown a significant drift in Trump’s direction. In November, the president spoke to several hundred African Americans in Atlanta. The event got little press attention, but it was seen by Republican strategists as a breakthrough. With the withdrawal of Kamala Harris from the race for the presidential nomination, the Democratic field is without a major minority candidate. Trump will make the most of this fact. Weak opponents. The Democratic presidential field is unimpressive. Only Joe Biden has serious backing in the black community. But in debates, he has been inarticulate and occasionally confused. At 78, he acts his age. Could he stand up to Trump in a one-on-one, nationally televised debate? Probably not. Bernie Sanders, the socialist, has a built-in following from the 2016 campaign. But he’s not enlarged it. Like the other candidates, he’s proposing vastly more government and higher taxes. As a recipe for success next year, that’s problematic. Sanders is tough, but not as tough as Trump.
so using how the consitution layed out how appeals processes work to higher courts is now obstruction of justice eh that will be a fun sound byte to play
November 3, 2016 Press Release Washington, D.C. – House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi released the following statement on public statements made by House and Senate Republicans regarding plans to impeach President Hillary Clinton in the 115th Congress: “In 1996, Congressional Republicans abandoned their presidential nominee and campaigned for a Republican House and Senate to serve as a ‘check’ on the Clinton White House. Their ‘check’ on the Clinton White House was impeaching President Bill Clinton for matters that had nothing to do with his presidency. “Twenty years later, Congressional Republicans are taking the same approach. Citing the need to be a ‘check’ on the Clinton White House, Congressional Republicans are again plotting to obstruct and hold investigations for years. This time, Republicans aren’t even hiding that they have impeachment in mind. “In addition to there being no grounds for impeachment to begin with, moving to impeach President Hillary Clinton for alleged activities from before the election would be a brazen attempt to nullify the vote of the American people, outside our constitutional framework and destructive to the Framers’ intent. “Congressional Republicans have stated their purpose is to waste taxpayer money and time on years of frivolous investigations instead of creating jobs through investing in infrastructure, education and innovation, and strengthening our democracy by ending the scourge of secret money in our elections. “The American people want Republicans to accept the will of the people and take impeachment off the table. Responsible Republicans must do so immediately.”
haha almost sounds like shes saying the exact same things trump has said for the last few years so yeah id say this is points for the OPS theory that trump baited her into this and how hes been choosing what words hes been using very carefully it would be hilarious if not so sad
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originally posted by: scauma
Trump isn't smart enough to come up with, and execute a plan that actually works. He's the worse POTUS in history, thankfully this board is coming around to see it. Make the rest of us proud ATS and continue to shame and call out this abhorrent president. Like you, I too miss the Obama days.
originally posted by: nataliep
its 4d chess he is the master not even captain spock could stop him
originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: dashen
All roads lead to PUTIN therefore, all roads lead to RUSSIA.