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originally posted by: KTemplar
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
originally posted by: KTemplar
a reply to: lostbook
This is horrible. Zimmerman is evil!
So someone coached a witness to lie on the stand to send Zimmerman to prison with false testimony and Zimmerman is bad?
He killed a kid unnecessarily. He has other history as well as being abusive.
It is up to the courts to handle the other matter imo, just wrong to sue the family of Trayvon.
He’s a bad machine!
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
originally posted by: KTemplar
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
originally posted by: KTemplar
a reply to: lostbook
This is horrible. Zimmerman is evil!
So someone coached a witness to lie on the stand to send Zimmerman to prison with false testimony and Zimmerman is bad?
He killed a kid unnecessarily. He has other history as well as being abusive.
It is up to the courts to handle the other matter imo, just wrong to sue the family of Trayvon.
He’s a bad machine!
A jury of his peers already decided you are wrong so I don't need to. So I ask again, how is Zimmerman the bad guy in this case when someone coached a witness to give false testimony on the stand to convict a person that was not guilty?
originally posted by: KTemplar
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
originally posted by: KTemplar
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
originally posted by: KTemplar
a reply to: lostbook
This is horrible. Zimmerman is evil!
So someone coached a witness to lie on the stand to send Zimmerman to prison with false testimony and Zimmerman is bad?
He killed a kid unnecessarily. He has other history as well as being abusive.
It is up to the courts to handle the other matter imo, just wrong to sue the family of Trayvon.
He’s a bad machine!
A jury of his peers already decided you are wrong so I don't need to. So I ask again, how is Zimmerman the bad guy in this case when someone coached a witness to give false testimony on the stand to convict a person that was not guilty?
He was guilty; and the witness should not have perjured themselves!
originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: KTemplar
He killed a kid unnecessarily.
A jury disagrees with you. A jury that still said he didn't do wrong even with the prosecutions false witness and testimony. He shot a person who attacked him plain and simple. It was self-defense.
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
originally posted by: KTemplar
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
originally posted by: KTemplar
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
originally posted by: KTemplar
a reply to: lostbook
This is horrible. Zimmerman is evil!
So someone coached a witness to lie on the stand to send Zimmerman to prison with false testimony and Zimmerman is bad?
He killed a kid unnecessarily. He has other history as well as being abusive.
It is up to the courts to handle the other matter imo, just wrong to sue the family of Trayvon.
He’s a bad machine!
A jury of his peers already decided you are wrong so I don't need to. So I ask again, how is Zimmerman the bad guy in this case when someone coached a witness to give false testimony on the stand to convict a person that was not guilty?
He was guilty; and the witness should not have perjured themselves!
I don't think you understand how this works, he was tried, he was not guilty. Trayvon was a thug who ambushed him and attacked him unprovoked and paid for his violent assault with his life.
Then his mom coached a witness to lie. I guess it's no surprise you support the actual guilty party in this, since you did in the first incident against Zimmerman.
originally posted by: KTemplar
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
originally posted by: KTemplar
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
originally posted by: KTemplar
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
originally posted by: KTemplar
a reply to: lostbook
This is horrible. Zimmerman is evil!
So someone coached a witness to lie on the stand to send Zimmerman to prison with false testimony and Zimmerman is bad?
He killed a kid unnecessarily. He has other history as well as being abusive.
It is up to the courts to handle the other matter imo, just wrong to sue the family of Trayvon.
He’s a bad machine!
A jury of his peers already decided you are wrong so I don't need to. So I ask again, how is Zimmerman the bad guy in this case when someone coached a witness to give false testimony on the stand to convict a person that was not guilty?
He was guilty; and the witness should not have perjured themselves!
I don't think you understand how this works, he was tried, he was not guilty. Trayvon was a thug who ambushed him and attacked him unprovoked and paid for his violent assault with his life.
Then his mom coached a witness to lie. I guess it's no surprise you support the actual guilty party in this, since you did in the first incident against Zimmerman.
Zimmerman followed him and most likely frightened him. Zimmerman was a power tripping provoker imo.
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
originally posted by: KTemplar
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
originally posted by: KTemplar
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
originally posted by: KTemplar
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
originally posted by: KTemplar
a reply to: lostbook
This is horrible. Zimmerman is evil!
So someone coached a witness to lie on the stand to send Zimmerman to prison with false testimony and Zimmerman is bad?
He killed a kid unnecessarily. He has other history as well as being abusive.
It is up to the courts to handle the other matter imo, just wrong to sue the family of Trayvon.
He’s a bad machine!
A jury of his peers already decided you are wrong so I don't need to. So I ask again, how is Zimmerman the bad guy in this case when someone coached a witness to give false testimony on the stand to convict a person that was not guilty?
He was guilty; and the witness should not have perjured themselves!
I don't think you understand how this works, he was tried, he was not guilty. Trayvon was a thug who ambushed him and attacked him unprovoked and paid for his violent assault with his life.
Then his mom coached a witness to lie. I guess it's no surprise you support the actual guilty party in this, since you did in the first incident against Zimmerman.
Zimmerman followed him and most likely frightened him. Zimmerman was a power tripping provoker imo.
Zimmerman had stopped following him actually. IIRC Trayvon was hiding and waited to ambush Zimmerman. Zimmerman was tried, he was not guilty.
What Zimmerman did was stupid, but it was not illegal. What Trayvon did was illegal as already determined to be FACT in a court of law. If Trayvon's mom did what she is accused of it is disgusting and I hope she loses everything. You do not get a witness to LIE under oath to get a conviction when someone is not actually guilty.
originally posted by: KTemplar
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
originally posted by: KTemplar
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
originally posted by: KTemplar
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
originally posted by: KTemplar
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
originally posted by: KTemplar
a reply to: lostbook
This is horrible. Zimmerman is evil!
So someone coached a witness to lie on the stand to send Zimmerman to prison with false testimony and Zimmerman is bad?
He killed a kid unnecessarily. He has other history as well as being abusive.
It is up to the courts to handle the other matter imo, just wrong to sue the family of Trayvon.
He’s a bad machine!
A jury of his peers already decided you are wrong so I don't need to. So I ask again, how is Zimmerman the bad guy in this case when someone coached a witness to give false testimony on the stand to convict a person that was not guilty?
He was guilty; and the witness should not have perjured themselves!
I don't think you understand how this works, he was tried, he was not guilty. Trayvon was a thug who ambushed him and attacked him unprovoked and paid for his violent assault with his life.
Then his mom coached a witness to lie. I guess it's no surprise you support the actual guilty party in this, since you did in the first incident against Zimmerman.
Zimmerman followed him and most likely frightened him. Zimmerman was a power tripping provoker imo.
Zimmerman had stopped following him actually. IIRC Trayvon was hiding and waited to ambush Zimmerman. Zimmerman was tried, he was not guilty.
What Zimmerman did was stupid, but it was not illegal. What Trayvon did was illegal as already determined to be FACT in a court of law. If Trayvon's mom did what she is accused of it is disgusting and I hope she loses everything. You do not get a witness to LIE under oath to get a conviction when someone is not actually guilty.
I do agree she should not have had a witness lie, I also think Zimmerman was trigger happy.
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
originally posted by: KTemplar
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
originally posted by: KTemplar
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
originally posted by: KTemplar
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
originally posted by: KTemplar
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
originally posted by: KTemplar
a reply to: lostbook
This is horrible. Zimmerman is evil!
So someone coached a witness to lie on the stand to send Zimmerman to prison with false testimony and Zimmerman is bad?
He killed a kid unnecessarily. He has other history as well as being abusive.
It is up to the courts to handle the other matter imo, just wrong to sue the family of Trayvon.
He’s a bad machine!
A jury of his peers already decided you are wrong so I don't need to. So I ask again, how is Zimmerman the bad guy in this case when someone coached a witness to give false testimony on the stand to convict a person that was not guilty?
He was guilty; and the witness should not have perjured themselves!
I don't think you understand how this works, he was tried, he was not guilty. Trayvon was a thug who ambushed him and attacked him unprovoked and paid for his violent assault with his life.
Then his mom coached a witness to lie. I guess it's no surprise you support the actual guilty party in this, since you did in the first incident against Zimmerman.
Zimmerman followed him and most likely frightened him. Zimmerman was a power tripping provoker imo.
Zimmerman had stopped following him actually. IIRC Trayvon was hiding and waited to ambush Zimmerman. Zimmerman was tried, he was not guilty.
What Zimmerman did was stupid, but it was not illegal. What Trayvon did was illegal as already determined to be FACT in a court of law. If Trayvon's mom did what she is accused of it is disgusting and I hope she loses everything. You do not get a witness to LIE under oath to get a conviction when someone is not actually guilty.
I do agree she should not have had a witness lie, I also think Zimmerman was trigger happy.
Zimmerman was found innocent. If she had a witness lie she should pay. You seem to agree. So you should back this lawsuit like I do so she pays for her crime if she did it.
originally posted by: KTemplar
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
originally posted by: KTemplar
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
originally posted by: KTemplar
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
originally posted by: KTemplar
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
originally posted by: KTemplar
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
originally posted by: KTemplar
a reply to: lostbook
This is horrible. Zimmerman is evil!
So someone coached a witness to lie on the stand to send Zimmerman to prison with false testimony and Zimmerman is bad?
He killed a kid unnecessarily. He has other history as well as being abusive.
It is up to the courts to handle the other matter imo, just wrong to sue the family of Trayvon.
He’s a bad machine!
A jury of his peers already decided you are wrong so I don't need to. So I ask again, how is Zimmerman the bad guy in this case when someone coached a witness to give false testimony on the stand to convict a person that was not guilty?
He was guilty; and the witness should not have perjured themselves!
I don't think you understand how this works, he was tried, he was not guilty. Trayvon was a thug who ambushed him and attacked him unprovoked and paid for his violent assault with his life.
Then his mom coached a witness to lie. I guess it's no surprise you support the actual guilty party in this, since you did in the first incident against Zimmerman.
Zimmerman followed him and most likely frightened him. Zimmerman was a power tripping provoker imo.
Zimmerman had stopped following him actually. IIRC Trayvon was hiding and waited to ambush Zimmerman. Zimmerman was tried, he was not guilty.
What Zimmerman did was stupid, but it was not illegal. What Trayvon did was illegal as already determined to be FACT in a court of law. If Trayvon's mom did what she is accused of it is disgusting and I hope she loses everything. You do not get a witness to LIE under oath to get a conviction when someone is not actually guilty.
I do agree she should not have had a witness lie, I also think Zimmerman was trigger happy.
Zimmerman was found innocent. If she had a witness lie she should pay. You seem to agree. So you should back this lawsuit like I do so she pays for her crime if she did it.
I just can’t sorry!
originally posted by: KTemplar
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
originally posted by: KTemplar
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
originally posted by: KTemplar
a reply to: lostbook
This is horrible. Zimmerman is evil!
So someone coached a witness to lie on the stand to send Zimmerman to prison with false testimony and Zimmerman is bad?
He killed a kid unnecessarily. He has other history as well as being abusive.
It is up to the courts to handle the other matter imo, just wrong to sue the family of Trayvon.
He’s a bad machine!
A jury of his peers already decided you are wrong so I don't need to. So I ask again, how is Zimmerman the bad guy in this case when someone coached a witness to give false testimony on the stand to convict a person that was not guilty?
He was guilty; and the witness should not have perjured themselves!
originally posted by: KTemplar
I do agree she should not have had a witness lie, I also think Zimmerman was trigger happy.
I don’t back it. I find it in poor taste to try and sue the mother of a kid you killed.
Let the authorities do their job, no need to capitalize on it as Zimmermans done enough damage!
It alleges that the prosecution's key witness in Zimmerman's 2013 murder trial, Rachel Jeantel, was an imposter coached by the family and their lawyers.
The lead defendant in the suit is Sybrina Fulton, Martin's mother. Fulton became a nationally-acclaimed advocate for social justice and reducing gun violence in the wake of her son's death, and is now running for a seat on the Miami-Dade County Commission.
The second defendant is the family's attorney, Ben Crump. He is accused of defamation and attempting to 'deprive Zimmerman of his constitutional and other legal rights'.
The lawsuit also names Harper Collins, accusing the publisher of defaming Zimmerman by publishing Crump's book, Open Season: Legalized Genocide of Colored People, 'with actual malice knowing the untruth or at a minimum a reckless disregard for the truth'.
My state don't have stand your ground laws. If you shoot someone you're guilty until proven innocent. If you shoot an unarmed person you're screwed. Even if you shoot an intruder in your own home and you shoot them in the back you're screwed. You have to prove your life was in danger.
originally posted by: LSU2018
a reply to: lostbook
Oh goody, a Trayvon/Zimmy thread! Been a while.
Here's how I see it...
Zimmerman was doing his thing looking for suspicious people in the neighborhood after a rash of thefts. He saw Martin, who looked suspicious (I don't care about race and all that, the kid looked suspicious so Z did what he thought was best). Martin and Zimmerman had an interaction. Martin told his friend, Rachel, that some creepy ass cracker was watching him. That seemed to make Martin the most upset. Martin then fled, Zimmerman gave chase because it's common knowledge that if someone runs, they're up to no good. For 60+ seconds, Zimmerman walked around looking for Martin. Martin was seconds from his dad's front apartment door but instead of going inside, he hid behind a bush and waited for Zimmerman to walk around the corner, when Martin then rushed and attacked him. As Martin kept pounding on Z's face, Z's only defense was to pull his gun out and shoot. Same thing any of us would do if we were in the same situation. The NBPP put a bounty on Z's head and the media made it into a race situation. Instead of a man who shot another man (Martin was NOT a kid and was on suspension after his school found stolen items and a screwdriver in his bag) in self defense, the media ruined Zimmerman's life.
So, do I think the family should pay? They were awarded over a million for their son attacking another guy when all he had to do is walk inside his dad's house. Maybe what they were awarded should be split with Zimmerman.