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burdman30ott6
Bull# and you know it. The only difficulty for you, is there's no longer throngs of desperate people for churches and cults to prey upon the
desperation of. I just realized this isn't a capitalism vs. socialism issue, that''s just a disguise. It's a religious right issue. All your talk
about relying on charity made me realize it. You're all wishful for the days where all the desperate had to turn to were the churches, so that people
had no choice but to learn to follow or at minimum pretend to follow your religions. Having society itself take care of it's desperate and help
uplift them, that's no good, that's the job of the churches. Heaven forbid the pact that is society itself, do it's job. Sorry, no, we'll never go
back to those days. I've seen first hands the results of what cults preying on the desperate do to people, especially if they resist the
indoctrination. I will buy a gun and fight to my last dying breath before we go back to that nonsense.
The reason you're responsible for paying taxes to help the unfortunately is because you agree to live in a society of other people. You want the
benefits of society, you need to accept what's important to society, and part of that happens to be caring for even the least of us, and providing
programs to help any of us should we falter. The reason people fail in these programs is because they simply are ship programs that aren't good
enough and need improvement. The main thing they need improvement with is having a less decisive line on when benefits are cut off. Right now it's
basically an all or nothing deal for the most part. There is no gradual loss of benefits. Which results in people working ending up in a worst
position than they were before they worked. The biggest issue being loss of health care benefits. Many people trying to improve their lot are
dealing with medical conditions, which while on welfare are tended to (albeit with a whole crap load of resistance, but tended to none the less),
which might allow them to get up to a point they can work, but unfortunately, it takes very little work to lose that same medical care and have to
rely on insurance, which due to their preexisting condition, costs them a #load, and since they have a medical condition they cannot work two or three
low end jobs, end up in a situation where they are not only more impoverished than they were on welfare, they now have to work, in order to be worse
of than they were before. Next thing you know, back on welfare, because working simply isn't worth it for many people because of medical care sucking
everyone dry.
Every issue in society leads back to people or an organization preying upon the desperate. This is why the desperate need protecting and we need
systems in place to fairly and without malice help them back on their feet. No agenda other than helping those who need it get to where they need to
be. The issue with charities is they rarely are organized by people without an ulterior motive, be it to skim from the top, convert people to their
faith, indoctrinate people to manipulate and abuse them (I separated faith and indoctrination because some are just happy with basic conversion, even
if just lip service and won't push as much, while others are truly predatory), or to use a way to funnel money, or get tax breaks. Society as a whole
though, in theory, should be about uplifting and improving society, and helping to make things better for society and the people in it. The very
purpose of society.
Unfortunately, society has been corrupted by special interests with their lobbyists and other such nonsense. It's no longer for the people, like it
should be. You all are for protecting special interests, be it, corporations with their lobbyists, be it churches with their influence, it doesn't
matter, you're for powerful groups over the people as a whole having control, so long as it's not directly the government because that would be
socialism. You might not mean to be, but you are. You all complain and bitch about socialism controlling everyone's lives, but in the end, you all
want the same thing, just, you want different masters in charge (so long as they pretend to not be the government, and simply control it from the
shadows with big money), you must, because you're damn certain to defend them getting more and more of a strangle hold on society. Even worse, you're
not only about defending them from the people, you're about stripping as many protections from the people as possible to allow these groups to better
take advantage of the people. You want society as a whole to not give a # about it's citizens and care exclusively about protecting special
interests, because the only time most of you bitch about anything is if it's some program to help actual people. If it involves helping big business
though you'll defend it to your last breath, but actual people can go rot for all you care, well that is, unless they're wiling to do whatever special
groups want from them.
Society should be for the citizens, but it's not due to special interests and that damn Citizens United bull#. We've been sold out, and your solution
is just a way to sell us out faster.
edit on 12/8/2019 by Puppylove because: (no reason given)