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I Have Had Enough!

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posted on Dec, 4 2019 @ 07:08 AM
a reply to: MarioOnTheFly

I agree with you.

I think that politics and religion have always been topics that don't bring out the best in us.

This is not a new phenomena. I think there are some things that people feel so strongly about on a personal level, that trying to explain it to someone that does not share their experiences, is near futile. Polite discussion requires more than an intelligent exchange of words. It also requires a certain level of respect, a willingness to truly listen, and at least an attempt to understand what is being shared.

Most internet forums are not about the sharing of ideas and information anymore. Most people want to have their say, and they have little interest in hearing anything to the contrary

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posted on Dec, 4 2019 @ 07:32 AM
a reply to: GeauxHomeYoureDrunk

I've seen people wearing MAGA hats and Trump 2020 tee shirts all over town- and we live in the most liberal city (a sanctuary city) in our state. Nobody has gotten beat down because of what they're wearing. I'm sure it happens in some places occasionally because there are some deranged people out there, but the media (especially social media) makes it sound like it is a regular occurrence when it is likely rare.

I'm not going to say you're lying but I honestly, 100% do not believe you. I live in a VERY liberal city in a very republican state.... Austin Texas. Only California is more liberal than this city.

Drive around in Austin with a Trump sticker on your car and see how long it takes for someone to put a dent in it or key it up. I wouldn't dare be so stupid here. You don't even talk about Trump here. You go over to the towns and small cities around Austin and it's all Trump country but the city? I certainly wouldn't do it.

The division is real. Just because you don't see it or acknowledge it, doesn't mean it's not real. It's very real. If you need an example.... I have one you can't miss.

Media and Government. That alone should tell you that it's real. Do you not see what's going on right now? What has the Democrats been doing since 2016? How are you blind and ignorant to what's going on? Denying it will not make it go away.

It only takes one misspoken word in the news or one major threat, or another Rodney King situation.... it'll take off like a hot match in a dry grass field. Think LA Riots on a country wide scale! Maybe not everywhere but when it starts in one place, it will spread! Too many people are all tense with what's going on, it doesn't take much to light this fire.

I'm not paranoid. I live life like everyone else, day to day. I don't keep this stuff in mind until I come to ATS but I refuse to play ignorant to what I know is going on. No need to pretend that it's not there... waiting in the dark for a spoken word or one wrong move.

posted on Dec, 4 2019 @ 08:03 AM
a reply to: StallionDuck

SD, please don't think that I am being obtuse or confrontational.

I hear people say these things all over the internet and I don't want to be dismissive of something that I am completely ignorant of, or do not truly understand.

I am not disagreeing with you, I just need a better understanding of who these people we should fear are. I am not saying there are not people waiting in the dark for a spoken word or one wrong move, I just want to know where to look and what I should be looking for, so I will be prepared.

I know many things can hide in plain sight, and if there is an army or movement, waiting in the shadows to attack, I want to know about it. I am out and about all over the place, and I will admit that I am often distracted because there just isn't enough hours in a day, but if I am sitting on a powder keg, I want to know about it.

posted on Dec, 4 2019 @ 08:28 AM

originally posted by: MarioOnTheFly
a reply to: GeauxHomeYoureDrunk

how it's only going to get worse and worse and the divide is getting wider and wider... and it's a lie!

Is it ?

I disagree. Your rant is fine on one condition...that you never ever disclose your political opinion publicly.

That would also include..not wearing a MAGA hat. But if you want to test your rant. Do just that.

Wear a MAGA hat and just keep your mouth shut...go out for a day and get back to us on the subject.

Oh, and wanted to ask are not a frequent poster...but, have you visited the mud pit lately ?

Well I don't wear hats at all but my old Dad wears his MAGA hat everywhere- including when he goes into the city- and has Trump stickers on his and his wife's vehicles since 2016 and nothing has happened.

I used to be a frequent poster back in my original incarnation days and I do hop into the pit occasionally but not often as they are bathing in the Koolaid in there- all "Orange man bad" and "but Obama and Biden". I haven't been really active in the political forums since the run between Romney and Obama when discussions were still halfway civil. I'm an "agree to disagree" person and agree and disagree with different aspects of both main political parties- a social liberal and a financial conservative who tends to vote Libertarian whenever possible.

posted on Dec, 4 2019 @ 08:41 AM

originally posted by: dogstar23
a reply to: GeauxHomeYoureDrunk

I freaking LOVE this OP! Its so true! Crazies and the gullible believe the majority of the country is obsessed by all this nonsense, when in reality, the majority of us are above what is nothing more than the political version of obsessing over the Kardashians.

More people are starting to believe we are two extremes of total whackos, but the 99.98% of us who aren't would beg to differ!

Oh yah, there are always going to be those who don’t even know who the Vice President is.
But then I’ve had old high school friends I haven’t seen in more than 30 years kick me off their fb page for being pro Trump. They were never really good friends anyway, but it’s shocking to see how they think(pro socialist —- while they yet live on their nice comfy middle class homes).... and another one even sports for eliminating the electoral college and the Senate even...
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posted on Dec, 4 2019 @ 08:42 AM
a reply to: StallionDuck

Austin? You might as well be in San Francisco, and with the ordinances passed recently allowing the homeless to basically camp wherever they want very soon you will be stepping over human excrement on the sidewalk.

I was born and raised in Texas. Most Texans don't even consider Austin part of the state but more an enclave of California expatriates and lunatics. I would group Austin with NYC, Seattle, Portland and San Francisco- too many loonies on prescription meds who are easily manipulated by the mainstream media. Usually when you hear of the occasional MAGA hat attacks they are in these and other large, very liberal cities- not always but usually. That doesn't make the attacks common or "all over the country". In large cities there are bigger than usual amounts of mentally unstable people and just WHO attacks people for having different beliefs (of any kind, not just political)? Mentally unstable people! And WHY are the numbers of mentally unstable people growing? Combination of more and more people on powerful psychoactive drugs (cuz mental illness is all the social media rage now) and manipulation by the mainstream media.

So again I say- the press, social media and crazy people pushing division, Division, DIVISION and drinking of the Koolaid. Normal people have jobs, families, real lives to focus on without getting in a tizzy over political differences.

P.S. For someone who claims to not be paranoid you sound extremely paranoid!
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posted on Dec, 4 2019 @ 09:27 AM
Just my opinion, but a lot of these paranoid ATS members would like a full blown civil war. Especially when libs and anyone that does not agree with the trump agenda is deemed "the enemy"...

imo...there in lies the national divisions. Enough from me, I have to go to work.
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posted on Dec, 4 2019 @ 10:16 AM

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posted on Dec, 4 2019 @ 01:28 PM

originally posted by: GeauxHomeYoureDrunk

originally posted by: rickymouse
a reply to: GeauxHomeYoureDrunk

Wow, you seem to be spending a lot of money on things you want but do not need. Be careful not to wind up with excessive credit card debt, pay with cash, that way you actually touch the money you spend and you are more apt to notice overspending.

See, I did not say anything about politics....damn, I just mentioned politics.

We don't use credit cards, they are detrimental to our savings account. We generally only spend money on bills, groceries, gas, cleaning and household supplies, a haircut every 3 months and gifts for birthday and Christmas- and about once a month we go out for a nice dinner. We are saving to buy an old farmhouse with good bones we can fix up for cash so excessive spending is a no no. We've been catching flack from family because we aren't visiting for Christmas and saving money instead.

I am proud of you two. You are not caught up in the consumer based economy which stresses spending everything you make and being in constant debt. The financial institutions want people to use charge cards, they collect three to five percent of the purchase from the stores which comes right back at us in increased prices. Plus they get interest and fees from borrowing us money.

We just bought a new 2020 forester, we got the base model with just the aluminum wheel package. My nephew is a salesman there so we got the relative discount which saved about a grand on top of the sale price. The wife and I are both in our mid sixties, I won't be able to be crawling under cars to do work anymore. This is the first time we had a car payment in over twenty years. The low interest rate made us decide to finance it instead of paying it off with cash. We had three good cars on the road before, but the newest one was a 2000 explorer with 110 thousand miles on it. Now we have four cars insured, I think in the spring we will give the 98 buick to my granddaughter, it only has eighty thousand miles on it. The old chevy plow Truck only has thirty three thousand miles on it.

It doesn't pay to buy a three year old certified vehicle because they are only three grand cheaper than new ones.

I hope you can buy the farm, does it come with a tractor?

posted on Dec, 4 2019 @ 02:23 PM
a reply to: rickymouse

I hope you can buy the farm, does it come with a tractor?

If it doesn't we will be looking for an old used one. These new tractors have too many electronic strings attached!
80,00 miles on a car these days is considered fairly low mileage so that would be a great starter car for your granddaughter!

posted on Dec, 4 2019 @ 02:57 PM

originally posted by: GeauxHomeYoureDrunk
a reply to: rickymouse

I hope you can buy the farm, does it come with a tractor?

If it doesn't we will be looking for an old used one. These new tractors have too many electronic strings attached!
80,00 miles on a car these days is considered fairly low mileage so that would be a great starter car for your granddaughter!

I have a seventy seven ford tractor with a loader and big snowblower and lots of equipment to go with it. I also have a 47 McCormic cub tractor with some equipment. I like my toys. I like the older stuff myself, like the pickup with crank windows. I also have a sixty seven buick electra and a 47 dodge pickup that run but need work done so I can give them to the grandkids.

posted on Dec, 5 2019 @ 02:04 AM
So were we are the same 1% belating their ideas upon the world...but with a twist!

you now live in a country that makes no sense....

So 98,5 % of the country makes a paycheck...getting on with their lives...

It's kind of like holding a stake in stocks....never sell your stake in stocks unless the streets are burning and then you buy double:

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posted on Dec, 5 2019 @ 08:21 AM
a reply to: GeauxHomeYoureDrunk

I agree with you to a certain extent, I recently traveled through a few liberal states that vote democrat, but they also have red counties and I traveled through them as well. I felt no political bias from either side. All I saw were Americans trying to live their lives working and playing trying their best to enjoy life and get by.
This changed my perspective of how the political divide is in America, the media is lying to all of us.
They are creating an artificial divide from 5% percent of the radical crazies on both sides.
The 5% that is super active on the internet like Twitter and Reddit, the 1% that hit the streets either in protest or support.
And then there is the hired mobs designed to create a perspective on CNN which is false.

Some politicians are trying to fan the flames of division and to some degree it works on people.
The political system and the media have become the enemy of people that want to all just get along as Americans.

The hot topics that have divided America have always been here and will continue to create heated discussions:
-women's rights
-black's rights
-gun rights
-transgender issues
-regime change wars
-nation building
-belief in God
-border control

The moral high ground has shifted on these topics over the decades, as people have said who gets to choose what is good and what is bad, who gets to decide, is our opinion always the correct one ? Deep thinking people that have analyzed these topics always says yes. But somebody just as educated and with just as high an IQ may come to a different conclusion. Does even the supreme court always get it right ? Both sides would say no.

But I agree with another poster who said politics is so volatile now the polite thing to do is not discuss it among people you don't know, in face to face situations.

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posted on Dec, 5 2019 @ 05:28 PM
a reply to: Blue_Jay33

I found myself in a hospital waiting room today for over an hour. The TV was on and the Pelosi decision came across the screen. This prompted a response from one of the people in the waiting room that was quickly followed by a rebuttal.

I totally expected for things to get heated, but was surprised, when the conversation spread to include six people without raised voices, no name calling, no rudeness or even anger.

Now I will admit that it was in a hospital, and the area is a fairly upscale and wealthy area, but I think a lot of people are being more cautious in their word choices, and are being more respectful in their delivery. Would it have been a different outcome if the same people were in a different setting?

I don't think so. The people involved seemed well educated, even admitted when they didn't have an answer to a question, and one even admitted that their feelings about Trump was based primarily on his being unrefined and crude.

This is purely anecdotal but I found it an interesting occurrence in relationship to this thread.

posted on Dec, 5 2019 @ 09:58 PM

originally posted by: GeauxHomeYoureDrunk

Everywhere I look any and all news sources, social media, discussion forums, etc. keep telling me how at odds everyone in my country is because of political differences and how it's only going to get worse and worse and the divide is getting wider and wider... and it's a lie!

When I helped my neighbor pick up his dropped bags neither of us asked about political beliefs.
When we were shopping last weekend neither my hubs or I asked the guy we let go ahead of us in the checkout line who he voted for.
The young man who held the door open for me at the Circle K did not question my thoughts on impeachment.
The lady I chatted with on the sidewalk never asked my stance on immigration.
The stylist who cut my hair didn't mention anything about gender issues.
A friend I hadn't seen for a while was more concerned with my health than whether or not I supported the 2nd Amendment.
The cashier at the store didn't shame my silver hoop earrings as cultural appropriation.
The young woman who delivered my packages did not question my religious beliefs.
Our waitress at the restaurant did not ask about our opinion of abortion before she decided to take our orders.

I could go on and on but it would be redundant.

You see these issues only exist in the press, online and with crazy people. In the real world the rest of us go about our daily lives and treat people with respect and kindness without ever questioning ANY of those things! If any of us sees a person in need of immediate assistance do we ask who they plan to vote for in the next election before we decide whether or not to help? No! But if you listen to the news and people online they would have you believing this is the norm! It is ridiculous!

There have been many times in the past few years when different strangers have done me a kindness and never once have I been questioned about my political beliefs before they did, as I have also done acts of kindness without thought of "which side" someone's political beliefs have fallen on.

Stop drinking the Koolaid because it's more poisoned than the refreshment table at a Jim Jones retreat!

End rant!

Now do all the above wearing a MAGA hat and then reverse it by wearing a pro-abortion pin, Impeach Trump cap and a
Che Guevara T-Shirt...

Let us know what
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