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The ATS BOWL, What Do YOU Want From Politicians

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posted on Dec, 2 2019 @ 06:22 AM
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a reply to: neo96

Well you are right, SS should never be looked at as a sole point of income, but for many seniors it is.

This thread wasn't meant to be solely about SSI, but I'll admit I've delved a bunch into it

So to be on topic, what would YOUR policies be?




posted on Dec, 2 2019 @ 06:24 AM
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a reply to: Dfairlite

I've strayed from the original point of my thread, so lets get back on topic, what are your policies/concerns?

I made a list of mine in the OP.

What are you the individual interested in?



posted on Dec, 2 2019 @ 06:25 AM
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a reply to: Vector99

I have a higher ROI on my guaranteed fund through work.



posted on Dec, 2 2019 @ 06:27 AM
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originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

If you're only doubling your money every thirty years you are getting a terrible rate of return lol... but it's still better than social security!

I intentionally used a very low figure as that is what anyone should be able to accomplish.



posted on Dec, 2 2019 @ 06:28 AM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Vector99

I have a higher ROI on my guaranteed fund through work.


So do I, not the point of the thread, and I apologize for taking it off-course.

This isn't about investments, it's about what YOU think the best policies going forward would be



posted on Dec, 2 2019 @ 06:35 AM
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originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Vector99

I have a higher ROI on my guaranteed fund through work.


So do I, not the point of the thread, and I apologize for taking it off-course.

This isn't about investments, it's about what YOU think the best policies going forward would be

It's on topic as it shows SS needs to be redone. The problem is all that money people have put into it is gone, it no longer exists to be reinvested.

It also gets to my earlier point of spending, we need to stop overspending. We all love social programs, but a family that is spending twice what they earn in order to take care of their neighbors is only destroying their children's future.
edit on 2-12-2019 by OccamsRazor04 because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 2 2019 @ 06:36 AM
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a reply to: Vector99

Three T's

Truthful
Transparency
Tolerant



posted on Dec, 2 2019 @ 06:42 AM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Vector99

I have a higher ROI on my guaranteed fund through work.


So do I, not the point of the thread, and I apologize for taking it off-course.

This isn't about investments, it's about what YOU think the best policies going forward would be

It's on topic as it shows SS needs to be redone. The problem is all that money people have put into it is gone, it no longer exists to be reinvested.

I really don't want to make this a thread about the solvency of SSI

I want to know what people actually want.

Nothing more, nothing less.

What is it you want our government to do?

On a local level, federal level?



posted on Dec, 2 2019 @ 06:53 AM
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a reply to: Vector99



Either way you are paying a tax to ensure your retirement and be able to be a 70 yr old guy or gal that can basically live.


No, taxes go to the government. I'm saving for my retirement with the aussie model.



The Aussie model is a bit different in the mean that it won't guarantee you an income if you are left to manage the funds yourself, you might make bad decisions with it.


True, but the government has already made bad decisions with my social security money. If I just put my social security money in a bank account with a terrible interest rate, I'd do better than SS and I'd have no real risk.



I don't see how that is better, you are being taxed the same, if not more, and you are relying on markets to benefit yourself.


I'm not being taxed at all. I'm saving my own money and managing it myself.
My rate of return over the last two years: 58%.
The SP500 rate of return over the last 2 years: 21%.
Savings account rate of return over the last two years: 1.2%
SS rate of return: 0%



Market crashes, well buh bye, everything you had in it. Probably wishing you had that 1% guarantee at that point.


If the market crashes like it did in the 30's good luck getting your social security check. They were confiscating gold and wealth just to keep the government open in the 30's and that was without the massive welfare state. But as you near retirement your money shouldn't all be in the stock market anyway, for exactly this reason. That's the beauty of it, I don't have to take risk if I don't want to.



posted on Dec, 2 2019 @ 06:55 AM
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a reply to: Vector99

My list was the first response.



posted on Dec, 2 2019 @ 07:37 AM
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I'd like them to at least call me next time they take me up the ass........

On a serious note, honesty. That is it but i fear it is unattainable. I would just like politicians to say things like "yes, we are fixing all the roads but you are paying extra taxes for it" instead of promising the Earth and then stealthily increasing all taxes.

You know, just simple things.



posted on Dec, 2 2019 @ 07:46 AM
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originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Vector99

I have a higher ROI on my guaranteed fund through work.


So do I, not the point of the thread, and I apologize for taking it off-course.

This isn't about investments, it's about what YOU think the best policies going forward would be

It's on topic as it shows SS needs to be redone. The problem is all that money people have put into it is gone, it no longer exists to be reinvested.

I really don't want to make this a thread about the solvency of SSI

I want to know what people actually want.

Nothing more, nothing less.

What is it you want our government to do?

On a local level, federal level?

I already said. Secure borders, fix immigration, no more deficit spending, start bringing down the debt.



posted on Dec, 2 2019 @ 08:08 AM
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Mine is simple...

1. Gut the Dept of Agriculture
2. Significantly trim the Dept of Commerce
3. Completely eliminate the Dept of Education
4. Gut the Dept of Energy
5. Completely eliminate the Dept of Health and Human Services
6. Eliminate the Dept of Homeland Security (except for Coast Guard, CBP and INS)
7. Eliminate the Dept of Housing and Urban Development
8. Eliminate the Dept of the Interior
9. Gut the Dept of Justice
10. Gut the Dept of Labor
11. Gut / eliminate all the Independent Agencies and/or Government owned Corporations.
12. Eliminate all the 'Quasi-official Agencies'

That's all I want. You want a fixed budget? It's just incredible how FAT and BLOATED this government has become!



posted on Dec, 2 2019 @ 08:24 AM
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Term limits would be an amazing start. It’s not like being a career politician breeds corruption or anything.



posted on Dec, 2 2019 @ 08:40 AM
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Term limits - not just in a position - I mean in government period
Lobbying made illegal
Flat tax rate across the board
Abolish parties - When you go to vote you must know the candidate's stances on the issues, not the letter by their name
Social security being an opt-in

That's just a few of the things that I would want, there's more but it's early.



posted on Dec, 2 2019 @ 08:45 AM
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originally posted by: Vector99
I don't think this has ever been attempted before, so let's try it!

When it comes to politics, what are your main points?


The Constitution, freedom.



What do you want to see from a politician?


Screaming, blood, internal organs.



What do you want to change/stay the same?



Want more freedoms, fewer stupid laws.



posted on Dec, 2 2019 @ 08:54 AM
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a reply to: Dfairlite

Actually SSA did warn that it might not be there. For Gen X, specifically those born 1970 and after. Their letters (when you used to get them) had a paragraph 2 along these lines:
    Do not count on any of this to be there when you retire, but if it is your estimated benefits will be:


I believe the inclusion of that paragraph is what caused the letters to stop being sent out after the ten year letter (informing you that they have a record of ten years of employment) and I am not sure those are mailed anymore.

It is possible that the phase out idea has been abandoned by changing politics. But it is also equally possible that that was a warning and the can was kicked to a different generation. But for a phase out to occur, some generation will have to pay in while ineligible to receive benefits. Whereas at some point there will be no pay in at all for a generation and subsequent generations. Surviving benefactors will be paid out of the general fund.

However or whatever you may think about SS, it is a FDR New Deal policy and all New Deal policies were only supposed to be temporary. So far only the CCC ended. Which coincidentally was the only one that had people working for a wage on infrastructure projects. The dam system for the TVA and the levy system for New Orleans being the two largest projects.



posted on Dec, 2 2019 @ 09:07 AM
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originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: Vector99

My list was the first response.

You are right, sorry i took us into a cluterfudge of debating social security



posted on Dec, 2 2019 @ 09:08 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

if i wanted a simple answer in the form of a man in a dress....

lol love you DB



posted on Dec, 2 2019 @ 09:12 AM
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originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
Mine is simple...

1. Gut the Dept of Agriculture
2. Significantly trim the Dept of Commerce
3. Completely eliminate the Dept of Education
4. Gut the Dept of Energy
5. Completely eliminate the Dept of Health and Human Services
6. Eliminate the Dept of Homeland Security (except for Coast Guard, CBP and INS)
7. Eliminate the Dept of Housing and Urban Development
8. Eliminate the Dept of the Interior
9. Gut the Dept of Justice
10. Gut the Dept of Labor
11. Gut / eliminate all the Independent Agencies and/or Government owned Corporations.
12. Eliminate all the 'Quasi-official Agencies'

That's all I want. You want a fixed budget? It's just incredible how FAT and BLOATED this government has become!

Thank you FCD, my thread only means to see what people want!

You win the internet today



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