Former Area 51 & CIA Employee Implies Tic Tac UFO Event Was A Classified Test

originally posted by: Archivalist
Been my viewpoint since the first report.

Weapons checking a training jet, before air visual contact was redundant and the dead giveaway.

They just wanted to make sure a trigger happy accident didn't murder a multi-million dollar black project.

You do know a weapons check was made to ac in the air on 9/11?

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Halfswede

And we know next to nothing about what else is out there, which is exactly the point of this thread. Countermeasure systems are being constantly developed and improved, and there's a lot of money being dumped into new systems.

What we do know, is that they had enough confidence in the RQ-170 to be undetectable to the iranians, to send it flying over their classified nuclear installations.

That didn't end well.

Mr. Barnes and people like him think we're stupid. What is actually stupid is his "belief" that the tic tac UFOs are/were ours. Sure, 0-20,000 mph in a split second. Witnessed by pilots, not on radar but up close and personal. Regularly. And to add additional insult to our intelligence, they bring in the claim of it being a "metallic balloon". Hahahahahahahahahaha! They deserve nothing but derisive laughter and comments for even trying that again, after 60+ years. This is just more incredibly inept damage control by people who think we're all just as desperate as they are to invent an earthly explanation for something that is not likely of earthly origin...

a reply to: Sublant

You have to test systems somehow. What better way to test an IR decoy than to have it near the Group where a Hornet might see it. Test both the ATFLIR, which was fairly new at the time, and the decoy at the same time.

a reply to: Sublant

There's a lot of interesting speculation about that incident. Such as the fact that every other RQ-170 ever seen has been painted military grey, yet that one was sand yellow when it was shown. Even if the RAM had been removed, it shouldn't have been that color.

originally posted by: Visiting ESB
This is just more incredibly inept damage control by people who think we're all just as desperate as they are to invent an earthly explanation for something that is not likely of earthly origin...

Or incredibly logical examinations by experienced people who are not as desperate to invent an unearthly explanation for something that is likely of earthly origin.

As J. Allen Hynek once said:

“Commercial and military pilots appear to make relatively poor witnesses.”

(The Hynek UFO Report, p.271)

Hahahahahahahahahaha!

Glad you're happy, though.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Sublant

You have to test systems somehow. What better way to test an IR decoy than to have it near the Group where a Hornet might see it. Test both the ATFLIR, which was fairly new at the time, and the decoy at the same time.

The US GOV. would NEVER test a black project against a naval carrier group..this would be the utmost foolhardy thing (not to mention illegal) to do.

a reply to: celltypespecific

Well firstly why would it be illegal? Secondly if members of the crew that were in charge were aware and had a need to know...?? Problem solved..

Also, I would "assume" it would be much better to test, test platforms against your own than against an enemy where the risk of losing the test platform is much higher.

There are examples where a black aircraft has not been used against an enemy, in case it's existence was revealed.

The USG tested nuclear weapons on its own army and navy so don't discount anything in regards to testing.

a reply to: celltypespecific

It depends on how black it is. If it's a Navy system, such as NEMESIS, why in God's name wouldn't the Navy be testing it near a carrier group?

And how would it be illegal?

a reply to: pigsy2400

If it was NEMESIS, then it's a Navy program, so it would make a lot more sense to test it around the Navy. Aegis is one of the most advanced ship based radar systems in the world, so if you can fool it, you can fool just about any radar system in play. And the F-18s were flying with ATFLIR in 2004. The early systems had problems in 2003, so a test of an upgrade in 2004 would make sense to fly against NEMESIS decoys.

So we are to just totally disregard the testimony from the pilots themselves? I mean this is all speculative anyways, "in my mind", so we should take this man's opinion over those of whom where actually present for what reason exactly?

a reply to: HonorablyTainted

One thing that's rather interesting is that pilots make terrible eyewitnesses. Eyewitness testimony is always unreliable to begin with, but between looking through the FLIR screen, and the HUD, the pilots only had a couple seconds at best to get a good view of whatever it was. That's not a long time at the closing speed that they had.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: HonorablyTainted

One thing that's rather interesting is that pilots make terrible eyewitnesses. Eyewitness testimony is always unreliable to begin with, but between looking through the FLIR screen, and the HUD, the pilots only had a couple seconds at best to get a good view of whatever it was. That's not a long time at the closing speed that they had.

I thought it was longer. At least, from the below report, I thought he was in visual contact for quite a while, unless I misunderstood the interviews, etc...

Fravor began a circular descent to approach the object.[14] As Fravor further descended, he reported that the object began ascending along a curved path, maintaining some distance from the F-18, mirroring its trajectory in opposite circles.[14][15] Fravor then made a more aggressive maneuver, plunging his fighter to aim below the object, but at this point the UFO accelerated and went out of sight in less than two seconds, leaving the pilots "pretty weirded out".

a reply to: fleabit

He's still not going to be constantly looking at it, even with the HUD. Since they were maneuvering, it's going to be quick looks, so he can check instruments, his wingman, etc. Even with a backseater, staring at something leads to target fixation, which usually ends with someone flying into something.

a reply to: Zaphod58

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a reply to: celltypespecific

And if this really IS a classified system that was being tested, what better way to distract from it. Now all the UFO=Alien people will never believe anything else and will shout down anyone that doesn't agree. Even if the Pentagon admits it was in the future it's obviously just a coverup.

I believe in a phenomena that suggests a non-human intelligence, but if you believe the psyop coming at you from the intelligence community in an unprecedented push by their MSM puppets then you are just the kind of sucker they are looking for and they think you are.

Love y'all though don't think I don't.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: celltypespecific

And if this really IS a classified system that was being tested, what better way to distract from it. Now all the UFO=Alien people will never believe anything else and will shout down anyone that doesn't agree. Even if the Pentagon admits it was in the future it's obviously just a coverup.

Could be....

The problem is an associated Govt body (i.e the US Navy) then undermines any UFO's=ET disinfo. by producing patents which contains terrestrial origin crafts with UFO type characteristics.

Everyone gets that the US navy wouldn't release secret patents ...in the same way everyone gets there's no way Justice honestly believes he can take one discrete part of a complex system and back engineer a spacecraft.

Loads of effort..net effect fools nobody....maybe has a couple of people on ATS and reddit stroking their beards and wondering if some of the claims by previous ITK'ers were accurate.

You must have had a bit of a chuckle when they published a TR3B/HAUC patent...imagine if that dropped in 2014.

originally posted by: Jukiodone

originally posted by: Archivalist

Weapons checking a training jet, before air visual contact was redundant and the dead giveaway.

Although it's a possibility that elements within the Navy conspired to set up some of their own people and equipment as unwitting test subjects- not heard any sensible arguments about why they'd do it in such a public manner.

The only bit of the alleged "test" you couldn't replicate at the multiple facilities already set up for testing black projects would be the collection of security liabilities in the carrier group.

originally posted by: MerkabaTribeEntity
a reply to: shawmanfromny

These realistic-looking false signatures and decoys have the ability to appear seamlessly across disparate and geographically separated enemy sensor systems located both above and below the ocean's surface.

Does sending a high speed 'ghost' radar signature over foreign territory (or under foreign waters) not have the potential to make people with big red buttons get very nervous?

Or am I completely missing the point?

No - that's what it's supposed to do.

Obviously you don't keep spoofing an ICBM launch on Moscow - but having even the alleged capability is just another headache for the intelligence analysts who set the readiness level of the red button operators.

This type of capability is not new and it's entirely likely at least a couple other Nuke powers have similar capabilities/technologies at a more localised scale.

Any US adversaries will also not be entirely reliant on Radar systems due to Stealth Technology....

Excellent post by someone that actually knows what they are talking about!