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Hizb Allah rally draws thousands

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posted on Mar, 9 2005 @ 08:21 AM
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Originally posted by TheTruth123
Thats alot of terrorist supporters.

Yep. You are right. Here's some educational information
on the terrorist group known as hezbollah.
www.intelligence.org.il...
www.cfrterrorism.org...




posted on Mar, 9 2005 @ 09:10 AM
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Originally posted by Souljah
ok so lets take a look at this situation again:

1945: lebanon gets independance from france
1948: palestinian refugees begin arriving from israel (110.000)
1967: arab-israeli war: more palestinian reefugees arrive from
1975: there are now 300.000 palestinian refugees in lebanon, led by yasser arafat's PLO
1975-76: civil war errupts in lebanon between maronite militia and the palestinian, sunni, and druze forces
1976: syria sents 40.000 troops to lebanon to help the maronite milita
1978: cross-border attacks with israel lead to israel's invasion of southern lebanon
1982: israel invades south of lebanon again, this time the objective is the PLO. it was during this invasion that the first sabra and shatila massacre was committed by the phalangist militia (under the command of elie hobeika).
also after this invasion the hezbollah party was founded:



[edit on 8-3-2005 by Souljah]


so, the maronites are christians, syria came to the aid of christians? that's a new one to me. i don't doubt that this is true, i am just surprised. seems i will have to look more into this situation for information on the past, but the facts still remain that syria has done the job they were there to do and now must pull out completely.



posted on Mar, 9 2005 @ 09:27 AM
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Originally posted by fledgling666
so, the maronites are christians, syria came to the aid of christians? that's a new one to me. i don't doubt that this is true, i am just surprised. seems i will have to look more into this situation for information on the past, but the facts still remain that syria has done the job they were there to do and now must pull out completely.



The U.S. Government estimates that 60% of the resident population is Muslim; the rest is Christian, predominantly Maronite, Greek Orthodox, Greek Catholic, Armenian Orthodox, and Armenian Catholic, as well as a minority of Protestants.


Maronite militia of the Phalangist party
Maronites (Mawarinah in Arabic) are members of one of the Eastern Rites of the Catholic church. They trace their founding to St. John Maron and to St. Maron, while they also claim full apostolic succession through the See of Antioch. They are one of the main religious groups in Lebanon.
It is estimated that 640,000 to 850,000 remain in Lebanon where they constitute up to 23% of the population. According to Lebanese constitution, the president must be a Maronite. Syrian Maronites total 40,000 and they follow archdioceses of Aleppo and Damascus and the Diocese of Latakia.


Sabra and Shatila Massacre
The Sabra and Shatila massacre (or Sabra and Chatila massacre) was carried out in September 1982 by Lebanese Maronite Christian militias in then-Israeli-occupied Beirut, Lebanon. The camps were externally surrounded by Israeli soldiers throughout the incident, and the militias had been sent in by Israel. However, Israel's culpability in the incident is hotly disputed, and Israel has denied direct responsibility, while finding certain Israelis, among them Ariel Sharon, indirectly personally responsible.


"the maronites are christians, syria came to the aid of christians?"
Lebanon civil war (1975-1990)
On one side was the Maronite militia of the Phalangist party, on the other a coalition of Palestinians, Sunni, and Druze forces. By early 1976, the war was going poorly for the Maronites, and Syria sent 40,000 troops into the country to prevent them being overrun; that Baathist Syrians were fighting against Palestinian forces was and remains ironic. The Syrian forces remained in Lebanon, effectively dominating its government, into the first years of the twenty-first century.

source:
wikipedia



posted on Mar, 9 2005 @ 10:12 AM
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syria came in first based on the demand of sleiman frangieh the lebanese president then as a peace keeper force on 1976
the syrians first fought the palestinians.... then switched sides... and kept the war going by constantly arming the two sides...
the baathists never recognised lebanon as a country they want it part of Syria...
In fact there's no syrian embassy in lebanon.. Syria doesn't recognise Lebanon as a state.



posted on Mar, 9 2005 @ 11:18 AM
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need to clear things up first:
- the latest estimtates put the figures for the anti-syrian rally at 150000
- and the number of the demonstrators in the hizbullah rally being hard to tell they've calculated the numbers based on the area they occupied considering 3 persons occupied 1 square meter the final number was at 250000
- u have to take into consideration that there was heavy syrian and palestinian participation in the hizbullah rally.... some even bragging about it on local media. there's even pics of huge buses crossing the border with no numbering plates on.

- finally the day before the rally fights erupted between lebanese and syrian intelligence officers: the officers wanted those lebanese to go to the rally against their will


sorry i couldn't provide documents
coz they're in arabic...



posted on Mar, 9 2005 @ 11:20 AM
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need to clear things up first:
- the latest estimtates put the figures for the anti-syrian rally at 150000
- and the number of the demonstrators in the hizbullah rally being hard to tell they've calculated the numbers based on the area they occupied considering 3 persons occupied 1 square meter the final number was at 250000
- u have to take into consideration that there was heavy syrian and palestinian participation in the hizbullah rally.... some even bragging about it on local media. there's even pics of huge buses crossing the border with no numbering plates on.

- finally the day before the rally fights erupted between lebanese and syrian intelligence officers: the officers wanted those lebanese to go to the rally against their will


sorry i couldn't provide documents
coz they're in arabic...



posted on Mar, 10 2005 @ 03:37 AM
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Originally posted by Souljah
why wasnt isreal ever FORCED OUT MILITARY when they invaded southern lebanon? or syria? or egypt? they always find time to pull back.


maybe if israel was left alone by lebanon they never wouldve occupied lebanon, they never invaded syria and again with egypt if egypt didnt invade israel they wouldve never been occupied(ps they were demanded to leave egypt by the US and did just that).



posted on Mar, 10 2005 @ 03:58 AM
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What kind of rally would require more bravery to attend?
Pro-Syrian, or ANTI-Syrian.?

That is, in a Syrian controlled region...

The numbers mean NOTHING.

The fact that there was not a massacre, or at least a major crackdown, at the
anti-Syrian rally says much more.



posted on Mar, 10 2005 @ 04:44 AM
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Originally posted by namehere
maybe if israel was left alone by lebanon they never wouldve occupied lebanon, they never invaded syria and again with egypt if egypt didnt invade israel they wouldve never been occupied(ps they were demanded to leave egypt by the US and did just that).


Israel did invade Syria. Ever heard of the Golan
Heights?
Israel was ready to go to war with Lebanon just recently because they were using water from sources located in Lebanon. There is a lot of speculation that it was access to water that led to the 6 day war and the occupation of Golan and Southern Lebanon.



Israel-Lebanon 'water war' looms (Mar 16, 2001)
The Israeli protest is based on the principle of diverting water, rather
than on the small amount to be pumped from the Hasbani. "You can't tamper
with natural resources," said Ra'anan Gissin, an aide to Ariel Sharon, the
prime minister. "We already went to war with them before over this."

Mr Gissin was referring to Syrian and Lebanese plans in 1964 to build a dam
to divert the waters of the Hasbani, a project that was halted by Israeli
shelling of the construction sites. Israel's occupation of the Golan
Heights and the West Bank three years later and of south Lebanon in 1982
gave it control of the Jordan and its headwaters.



BBC: Israel warns of war over water (September, 2002)
Army radio said Mr Sharon had notified the United States that Israel could mount military operations should Lebanon begin pumping water out of the Hasbani or its tributary, the River Wazzani.

The Israeli Transportation Minister, Ephraim Sneh, said Mr Sharon had called for a "good and enlightened way" to settle the issue but was ready to "act".

"If Lebanon put into effect its project to siphon water from the river, it would be serious enough a reason for Israel to act," Mr Sneh told the radio station.

A spokesman for the United Nations peacekeeping force in southern Lebanon has denied Beirut is siphoning water from the Hasbani, saying it is only piping water to a village suffering a shortage.



Lebanese complaint to the UN over Israeli threat of war
At present the Lebanese authorities are laying pipes to ensure the supply of water to the villages in the basin of the Hasbani and Wazzani rivers. The maximum quantity to be pumped will be 9 million cubic metres yearly, which is far below Lebanon's legitimate entitlement.

Every effort by Lebanon to provide for the vital needs of the populations of the liberated areas and villages has met with Israeli threats to wage war against Lebanon.

Today Lebanon finds itself once again faced with threats by Israel to wage war against it and deprive it of its lawful and natural rights to its water. Yet the water which Israel is attempting to seize originates in Lebanese territory and Lebanon is entitled to exploit it in accordance with its legitimate rights, international law and the vital needs of its population.

The statements of Israeli officials to the effect that Israel will wage war against Lebanon threatens international peace and security in the region. The responsibility for any consequences of such a situation falls fully on Israel, which is relentlessly pushing towards an aggravation of the situation, ignoring Lebanon's definite desire to maintain peace and stability notwithstanding its constant demands for the liberation of the rest of its occupied territory. Lebanon appeals to the permanent members of the Security Council to make every effort to prevent Israel from carrying out its threats of waging war, which would have the direst consequences for the entire region.


Look at this old map of Hydrostrategic territories and compare that to the areas that Israel has occupied:
www.unu.edu...

Also look at the map of Israel proposed in 1919:


They've wanted that terrirory before Israel was even created.



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