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Another socialist myth debunked: inequality has not been rising

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posted on Nov, 29 2019 @ 03:18 PM
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originally posted by: face23785
a reply to: pexx421

Just curious, your statements that $18/hr for a single person isn't middle class is based on what state's standard of living? I live comfortably in Pennsylvania on much less than that. Not every state has sky-high cost of living. This shows a very surface-level understanding of economics in the US. Blanket statements like that simply don't work when you're talking about a country like the US. Same with the people who insist the whole nation needs a $15 minimum wage. You'd be living in poverty on that wage in some cities in California, and in some states in the south that wage would destroy the economy. Across-the-board statistics are as useful as across-the-board policies, which is to say not useful at all.


I have a very easy answer. It isn’t middle class in large cities and developed areas, where the vast majority of the nation actually live. How is that? I’ve lived all over the south, generally in large population centers. You know, where the people actually live and work. And in those places, New Orleans, Baton Rouge, Montgomery, Phoenix, Atlanta, Houston, Dallas, Pensacola, etc., generally the pay in most of those places are lower than average, and costs of living are higher. Not for any sound reason other than exploitation.




posted on Nov, 29 2019 @ 03:28 PM
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originally posted by: pexx421

originally posted by: face23785
a reply to: pexx421

Just curious, your statements that $18/hr for a single person isn't middle class is based on what state's standard of living? I live comfortably in Pennsylvania on much less than that. Not every state has sky-high cost of living. This shows a very surface-level understanding of economics in the US. Blanket statements like that simply don't work when you're talking about a country like the US. Same with the people who insist the whole nation needs a $15 minimum wage. You'd be living in poverty on that wage in some cities in California, and in some states in the south that wage would destroy the economy. Across-the-board statistics are as useful as across-the-board policies, which is to say not useful at all.


I have a very easy answer. It isn’t middle class in large cities and developed areas, where the vast majority of the nation actually live. How is that? I’ve lived all over the south, generally in large population centers. You know, where the people actually live and work. And in those places, New Orleans, Baton Rouge, Montgomery, Phoenix, Atlanta, Houston, Dallas, Pensacola, etc., generally the pay in most of those places are lower than average, and costs of living are higher. Not for any sound reason other than exploitation.


So it's just coincidence that that cities tend to be more progressive, with progressive policies, which drive up the costs of everything and that's where life is hardest? "Rich people are evil" just doesn't cut it. If that was the reason behind everything, unemployment would still be high and wages would still be flat. In fact all of that should be worse with that greedy evil rich guy in office. That's factually not true though. Did companies suddenly become altruistic? Or is it the change in economic policy that's finally allowing them to offer people more? 8 years of Obama's economic policy saw no improvements in most people's lives, but now all of a sudden companies are hiring more workers and wages are finally rising, more people are getting bonuses, and none of that is because of progressive, socialist policies. It's precisely the opposite, because we've taken their reins off the economy.

The amount of denial here is disturbing, although not surprising given this crowd. It's telling that none of you have addressed the actual substance of the article or the OP. Just more talking points, most of which aren't true.



posted on Nov, 29 2019 @ 03:31 PM
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originally posted by: pexx421

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: RoScoLaz5
i don't buy it. from where i'm sitting the poor are getting ever poorer as the number of million and billionaires reaches record levels.


So those new million and billionaires appeared out of thin air? No, they are former working-class people who made it. There are more first-generation millionaires in the US than ever. Economic mobility is easier than ever, unless you're the type that just wants to sit on your ass and wait for the government to give it to you.


Or it could be that our system has become more streamlined at extracting the wealth that the workers produce, and handing more of it to the oligarchs, and owners, with a smaller slice of the pie going back to the workers.


Wait, so the system giving everyone's money to the already-rich explains how more and more people are becoming first-generation rich? That's your response to me telling you that there are more first-generation millionaires than ever?

Did you actually think that through and type it like that, and you believed it was logically sound? Tell me you just copied and pasted it from some SJW blog without really thinking about it, please. Because that would actually be less embarrassing than if that was a serious thought you had.
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posted on Nov, 29 2019 @ 03:39 PM
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a reply to: face23785

The idea that there was a dramatic economic turnaround under Trump is simply not true.

The economy is doing well under Trump but these are all trends that started long before he was elected, including the longest continuous period of economic growth in US history.





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posted on Nov, 29 2019 @ 03:41 PM
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So “he’ll crash the economy” was just another media lie?



posted on Nov, 29 2019 @ 03:42 PM
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a reply to: face23785

The amount of concentrated wealth in those 'progressive' states or areas is staggering actually. Silicon valley alone has a GDP per capita of basically Qatar, that's insane, and people live out of their cars, or their company basically fronts them board to put a roof over your head. Wealth isn't just about numbers and dollars, you have to remember that.



posted on Nov, 29 2019 @ 03:44 PM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: face23785

The idea that there was a dramatic economic turnaround under Trump is simply not true.

The economy is doing well under Trump but these are all trends that started long before he was elected, including the longest continuous period of economic growth in US history.






Growth was anemic and wages were stagnant. They're not anymore. No amount of spin will change that. And yes, Trump was supposed to crash the economy, not grow it. The same people who predicted that, by the way, are the ones who keep telling you The Rich are holding you back, not their pie-in-the-sky policies. Obviously they were wrong about Trump, what else are they wrong about? Open your mind. You've been lied to for years and it's starting to show.



posted on Nov, 29 2019 @ 03:46 PM
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originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: pexx421

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: RoScoLaz5
i don't buy it. from where i'm sitting the poor are getting ever poorer as the number of million and billionaires reaches record levels.


So those new million and billionaires appeared out of thin air? No, they are former working-class people who made it. There are more first-generation millionaires in the US than ever. Economic mobility is easier than ever, unless you're the type that just wants to sit on your ass and wait for the government to give it to you.


Or it could be that our system has become more streamlined at extracting the wealth that the workers produce, and handing more of it to the oligarchs, and owners, with a smaller slice of the pie going back to the workers.


Wait, so the system giving everyone's money to the already-rich explains how more and more people are becoming first-generation rich? That's your response to me telling you that there are more first-generation millionaires than ever?

Did you actually think that through and type it like that, and you believed it was logically sound? Tell me you just copied and pasted it from some SJW blog without really thinking about it, please. Because that would actually be less embarrassing than if that was a serious thought you had.

Well, yeah actually. See, the difference between cost to produce and sale price is economic waste. It’s exploitation, and a burden on the economy. And today’s overriding business model in the us is to create some software that doesn’t actually create a real product of value, and to get massively overpaid for it. That’s the new American Dream.
And that’s where the majority of new millionaires come from. The tech bubble. It’s equally applied to pharmaceuticals as well.

At any rate, the big business models of the 80’s and 90’s was takeovers. It featured in plenty movies of the era. And it was the model of buying failing businesses dirt cheap, raiding the pensions and treasury, firing staff, cutting wages, and selling it all off in parts. And this is fairly indicative of our whole economic paradigm.

We have moved to a cannibalistic, service economy. Where profits now come from charging more and paying less, and providing less benefits.

But apparently I’m in the wrong world, right? Because in your world, our people are living like Kong’s off of $15 an hour, and less ability to go to doctors makes people healthier. And apparently the us manufacturing sector is coming back in a big way. And the businesses didn’t spend trillions in stock buybacks, creating a future bubble, that they will likely be bailed out of. No, they gave all their people raises, that more than compensated for all the drastic lost wages of the last decade. Must be nice. I’d cross to your world if only I didn’t have this problem with living under delusion. That’s why I’m no longer catholic too.



posted on Nov, 29 2019 @ 03:47 PM
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originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: face23785

The amount of concentrated wealth in those 'progressive' states or areas is staggering actually. Silicon valley alone has a GDP per capita of basically Qatar, that's insane, and people live out of their cars, or their company basically fronts them board to put a roof over your head. Wealth isn't just about numbers and dollars, you have to remember that.


That's not news to me, Silicon Valley, Hollywood, DC, areas full of rich progressives who preach SJW nonsense out of one side of their mouth and laugh at the lemmings who lap it up out of the other.



posted on Nov, 29 2019 @ 03:48 PM
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a reply to: face23785

I have seen lots of things change in the 45+ years I been on this planet. Minority's getting much more aid/jobs then in the past. Other than the government screwing everyone over, everything is way better for them now than it was back then.



posted on Nov, 29 2019 @ 03:48 PM
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a reply to: pexx421

Wait so now it's our service economy that's the problem? Do we need to bring back manufacturing? Is this President Trump's account?



posted on Nov, 29 2019 @ 03:52 PM
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a reply to: cognizant420

This is a good point. It probably does play a huge in roll in why wealth inequality has somewhat stayed stagnant. More 'minorities', getting into the workforce. That was more of a social change that caused this, not an economic one. In capitalist states it takes the worker and the employer to make a business work, the 'free market' favors those who are willing to accept the good worker or capital deal.



posted on Nov, 29 2019 @ 03:55 PM
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originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: pexx421

originally posted by: face23785
a reply to: pexx421

Just curious, your statements that $18/hr for a single person isn't middle class is based on what state's standard of living? I live comfortably in Pennsylvania on much less than that. Not every state has sky-high cost of living. This shows a very surface-level understanding of economics in the US. Blanket statements like that simply don't work when you're talking about a country like the US. Same with the people who insist the whole nation needs a $15 minimum wage. You'd be living in poverty on that wage in some cities in California, and in some states in the south that wage would destroy the economy. Across-the-board statistics are as useful as across-the-board policies, which is to say not useful at all.


I have a very easy answer. It isn’t middle class in large cities and developed areas, where the vast majority of the nation actually live. How is that? I’ve lived all over the south, generally in large population centers. You know, where the people actually live and work. And in those places, New Orleans, Baton Rouge, Montgomery, Phoenix, Atlanta, Houston, Dallas, Pensacola, etc., generally the pay in most of those places are lower than average, and costs of living are higher. Not for any sound reason other than exploitation.


So it's just coincidence that that cities tend to be more progressive, with progressive policies, which drive up the costs of everything and that's where life is hardest? "Rich people are evil" just doesn't cut it. If that was the reason behind everything, unemployment would still be high and wages would still be flat. In fact all of that should be worse with that greedy evil rich guy in office. That's factually not true though. Did companies suddenly become altruistic? Or is it the change in economic policy that's finally allowing them to offer people more? 8 years of Obama's economic policy saw no improvements in most people's lives, but now all of a sudden companies are hiring more workers and wages are finally rising, more people are getting bonuses, and none of that is because of progressive, socialist policies. It's precisely the opposite, because we've taken their reins off the economy.

The amount of denial here is disturbing, although not surprising given this crowd. It's telling that none of you have addressed the actual substance of the article or the OP. Just more talking points, most of which aren't true.


Right. Except unemployment IS still high. And wages ARE still stagnant. They just have good pr and social programming to make people like you believe things are going better. And I wouldn’t call what most cities implement “progressive policies”. But then you think Obama is progressive, apparently, so yes, I can surely agree that neoliberal policies, which you mistake for progressive, do indeed make the world a worse place. And I see you using “whatabout Obama” as part of your argument to me. Well, he’s just as much part of the profit funneling mechanism to the wealthy elite as the rest of the majority of Democrats and Republicans. Thanks, doesn’t mean anything to me, or my argument.

If the media, the democrats, or Obama were truly progressive or liberal, they would be lining up behind warren, sanders, or some other real progressive candidate. They’re not. Which should tell you something, but you just interpret it according to your echo chamber.



posted on Nov, 29 2019 @ 03:55 PM
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originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: face23785

The idea that there was a dramatic economic turnaround under Trump is simply not true.

The economy is doing well under Trump but these are all trends that started long before he was elected, including the longest continuous period of economic growth in US history.






Growth was anemic and wages were stagnant. They're not anymore. No amount of spin will change that. And yes, Trump was supposed to crash the economy, not grow it. The same people who predicted that, by the way, are the ones who keep telling you The Rich are holding you back, not their pie-in-the-sky policies. Obviously they were wrong about Trump, what else are they wrong about? Open your mind. You've been lied to for years and it's starting to show.


The spin is claiming any kind of economic miracle under Trump. The actual number show generally comparable economic performance between the 2.



posted on Nov, 29 2019 @ 04:05 PM
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a reply to: pexx421

LOL oh okay, so agencies like NBC, CNN, etc that have reported the low unemployment numbers and the increase in wages are just covering for Trump. You guys keep getting better and better at this.


originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: face23785

The idea that there was a dramatic economic turnaround under Trump is simply not true.

The economy is doing well under Trump but these are all trends that started long before he was elected, including the longest continuous period of economic growth in US history.






Growth was anemic and wages were stagnant. They're not anymore. No amount of spin will change that. And yes, Trump was supposed to crash the economy, not grow it. The same people who predicted that, by the way, are the ones who keep telling you The Rich are holding you back, not their pie-in-the-sky policies. Obviously they were wrong about Trump, what else are they wrong about? Open your mind. You've been lied to for years and it's starting to show.


The spin is claiming any kind of economic miracle under Trump. The actual number show generally comparable economic performance between the 2.





Nobody is claiming there's any miracle. We're just back to normal levels of growth where we should be when we don't have progressive policies tying one hand behind our back.

My presence is no longer needed here. You guys are embarrassing yourselves way more thoroughly than I ever could.
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posted on Nov, 29 2019 @ 04:40 PM
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originally posted by: face23785
a reply to: pexx421

LOL oh okay, so agencies like NBC, CNN, etc that have reported the low unemployment numbers and the increase in wages are just covering for Trump. You guys keep getting better and better at this.


originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: face23785

The idea that there was a dramatic economic turnaround under Trump is simply not true.

The economy is doing well under Trump but these are all trends that started long before he was elected, including the longest continuous period of economic growth in US history.






Growth was anemic and wages were stagnant. They're not anymore. No amount of spin will change that. And yes, Trump was supposed to crash the economy, not grow it. The same people who predicted that, by the way, are the ones who keep telling you The Rich are holding you back, not their pie-in-the-sky policies. Obviously they were wrong about Trump, what else are they wrong about? Open your mind. You've been lied to for years and it's starting to show.


The spin is claiming any kind of economic miracle under Trump. The actual number show generally comparable economic performance between the 2.





Nobody is claiming there's any miracle. We're just back to normal levels of growth where we should be when we don't have progressive policies tying one hand behind our back.

My presence is no longer needed here. You guys are embarrassing yourselves way more thoroughly than I ever could.


Just because you can be a sarcastic douche, while I’m certain it’s personally satisfying to you, doesn’t make you right. CNN, nbc, Fox, and the lot were harping about our amazing economy right up to 08. Because they have no clue, or their job is to misinform you. I don’t know why you, who obviously have nothing but disdain for the media, choose to believe them when what they say suits your agenda. Actually I do.... it’s because you’re a partisan hack. No, we’re not back to our normal levels of growth, despite your desperate attempt to believe so. And it’s not about doubting trump. I’m NOT a partisan hack, unlike you. I can happily cheer him for the few things he does right, just as I could recognize that Obama was a corporatist, neoliberal stooge.

So, in the meantime, if you decide to adult and engage in honest discourse and debate, feel free to drop in! But if you’re just here to act an ass, and increase the division between us, doing TPTB’s job for them, then go eat a bag of dicks and put your head back in the sand.



posted on Nov, 29 2019 @ 05:44 PM
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.... just dropping off a few relevant memes...

you're not fooling anyone, OP.



posted on Nov, 29 2019 @ 06:03 PM
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America is the Only Nation on the Face of this GODS GREEN EARTH that Professes it's Basic Tenets as being one of Personal Freedom and Liberty that can give any Human Being the Chance to Better his or hers Born Into Lot in Life . A Nation that Excepts a Person for what his or her Potential and Personal Drive can Bring them in a Free and Open Society . America Will ALWAYS be the Envy of the World for just that Reason . For those who might Disagree with my Proclamation there , Go EAT Dirt ...........


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posted on Nov, 29 2019 @ 06:11 PM
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a reply to: tgidkp

But the left cant meme...



posted on Nov, 29 2019 @ 06:23 PM
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originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: face23785


America is the Only Nation on the Face of this GODS GREEN EARTH that Professes it's Basic Tenets as being one of Personal Freedom and Liberty that can give any Human Being the Chance to Better his or hers Born Into Lot in Life . A Nation that Excepts a Person for what his or her Potential and Personal Drive can Bring them in a Free and Open Society . America Will ALWAYS be the Envy of the World for just that Reason . For those who might Disagree with my Proclamation there , Go EAT Dirt ...........



Right. And we were bringing democracy to Iraq and Libya too.



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