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Originally posted by LadyV
Exodus 20:5
for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers
Ezekiel 18:20
The soul who sins is the one who will die. The son will not share the guilt of the father
Originally posted by LadyV
Acts 1:18
(With the reward he got for his wickedness, Judas bought a field; there he fell headlong, his body burst open and all his intestines spilled out.
Matthew 27:5
So Judas threw the money into the temple and left. Then he went away and hanged himself.
Originally posted by LadyV
either way a god would have no problem getting rid of them, dont ya think?
geneticus
Why are you assuming that God wanted to get rid of the iron-charriot folks...maybe that was the plan to begin with...
It may have been that the Iron Charriots served some purpose on earth, and that is why God wanted them
and Judah could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley...
Originally posted by Seapeople
LadyV,
Good post.
These two topics you hit on here are in my opinion, the most important two topics of the bible. It is puzzling to me why no-one else has addressed the serious problems your two issues bring up. I understand a christian would not, but there are others who veiwed and responded to this thread.
I know I am going to be attacked because of what I am about to say. I will then defend myself accordingly with an equal amount of passion. Then I will get in trouble for speaking my mind (the truth).
Two fundamental principals of christianity are as follows:
1) God is all powerful.
2) Jesus died on the cross to save us from original sin that we carry from generations ago, I.E. adam and eve.
Would you not agree that those two issues may be the most significant in the christian faith, especially the purpose of Jesus? I would.
These are fundamental, yet the bible can't even be specific on these. God is all powerful in the christianity. It is a steadfast belief of all who call themselves christians. Yet God COULD NOT cast out those chariots of iron. Everyone in here is debating on what those chariots could be. Whether they are symbolic, or literal. Those debates are meaningless, because whatever it is referring to, GO CANNOT DO IT. That can only mean one thing fundamentally. God is not all powerful, god cannot do everything and anything as is believed. At least according to the bible.
Those words are clear and simple to understand. There is no room for debate, yet I will be attacked for that obvious statement.
Another, even more significant problem in the bible. Carried sin from adam and eve. There are numerous verses of the bible stating, THAT WE ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SINS OF THOSE THAT PRECEED US. I grant you that there are verses that say that we are. That is only a contradiction. A contradiction regarding the single most important principal of christianity. The bible doesnt even get that right. That is freeking significant.
Yet again, I will be attacked for bringing these obvious problems up. People will criticise me for these errors, rather than criticising themselves for not questioning the fact that they exist.
Again, I am glad you brought these issues up LadyV, even if this wasnt the intended outcome.
Originally posted by jake1997
If you have a conspiracy, post it. If you want to bash the bible...then send a U2U to others of like mind. Want to learn about the bible, goto a bible site.
In all cases, please spare us
Originally posted by jake1997
Ok.
But no need to retype it here.
You can view it at This place
Originally posted by Seapeople
Well,
As you said, I have done it. I would argue that "it has been done" a million times before. It isn't my fault that some people are too ignorant and illiterate to see it.
So jake, tell me, why did you attack the author of this thread when it is me you want to attack? This thread asked questions, legitimate ones at that. I am the one who took it to a level that you are unable to comprehend due to your voluntary selection of knowledge, which resulted in your criticism.
You stated, that most of us are internet cruisers who know nothing of the bible. I am going to assume that you were not referring to me. I know much of the bible, and I would argue, that I know more than you. If I don't then it is close. However, your standards dictate that we must..."interpret the bible exactly as you do" to know it. My, My, conceited are we?
The bible says that God COULD NOT. It says that sins ARE NOT PUNISHABLE TO FUTURE GENERATIONS. You can "interpret" these passages all you want. By doing that, you are only generating your personal opinion. You are ignoring what is said. Selective knowledge at its finest. Good thing most people do not think on the level as you.
Tell me, since you are trying to establish my "ignorance" of the bible. If the bible does not say, "God could not cast the chariots of iron out of the valley", what does it say? If it does not say sins are not punishable from generation to generation, what does it say?
Originally posted by Seapeople
You truly are trash. And mods, you can't bash me for saying that because the person calls himself that. Why don't you go have dinner with your bible scholar friends, and discuss how to alleviate all those pesky contradictions. You are just as foolish as the others that attack me here. You are too lazy to read and look for yourself. You criticised me for not being a bible scholar, so will you criticise the bible scholar for not agreeing with you??? Get over it, you have no grounds to criticise my knowledge of the bible, especially under the obvious conditions that I am better knowledgeable in it than you. You are a sheep. Go follow at some other website where everyone is blind and ignorant like you, so noone will disagree with you.
Originally posted by purecanadiantrash
LadyV, you can't just pick any random two quotes out of a hat that seem to contradict. You entirely lose the true context in doing so.
Originally posted by jake1997
The sad part about all of these threads disigned to trash God is...
Those who author them have very little, to no bible knowledge at all.
They merely cruise the web, and find a page that claims there are contradictions...and then...without actually investigating it for themselves...
If you have a conspiracy, post it.
You can view it at This place
geneticus
GE 2:5 confirms that the animals were made before Man
The Matthew verses say this THEN that...the Luke verses do not
luke 4:5,9
5The devil led him up to a high place and showed him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world. [...]9The devil led him to Jerusalem and had him stand on the highest point of the temple
also, GOd does not want evil people to use the real power of the Bible to their own advantage
The sacrifice of Christ is bigger than the Law of Karma or any other human law.
Apparently, whatever the evildoers were doing...it was something that would have lead many believers down the wrong path