Ruiz vs Joshua 2

The rematch of the June 1st shocker...Andy Ruiz JR vs Anthony Joshua is just over a week away.

Can Ruiz repeat with another win? Will Joshua regain the championship? I am really curious about this fight. Joshua looked nervous before the first fight. Something seemed "off" with him. Especially after he got hit in the 3rd rd. Ruiz seemed calm, cool, and collected the whole time. Even after he was knocked down.

Any predictions out there? I don't know which way to go yet. If Joshua was ever any good, he will learn from the first fight and win this. But how can anyone pick against Ruiz?

Also, if you have not seen it, check out One Night: Anthony Joshua vs Andy Ruiz JR.

It is really well done.

a reply to: Blueracer

Ruiz came up — in part, at least — through the ranks of the Tijuana ‘smokers’ circuit and hasn’t had enough of a recognized pedigree to take anything for granted. Joshua took the first fight for granted and looked past Ruiz to the Wilder/Fury winner... This time around Joshua knows he is the lesser boxer and should come in sharper than the first match. Doesn’t matter though because Ruiz is a legit champion boxer and won’t take it for granted; Ruiz absolutely boxes up Joshua and the corner throws in the towel R7/R8.

The more interesting fight is Wilder - Fury II. In all my thousands upon thousands dollars and hours spent spectating the sweet science, I’ve never seen an athlete pull victory from the jaws of defeat like Fury did, when Wilder separated him from consciousness in the 12th. The right Wilder uncorked on King Kong Ortiz was atomic, that left hook he threw from the bottom of his feet to wipe out Fury was thermonuclear. I am still in amazement Fury got up, let alone made a 10-count.

Sidebar: Saturday night I was baffled for a moment after Ortiz went down and he wasn’t saved by the bell...I had to run it back to hear the 10-seconds-to-go ring smack was just before the punch — it seemed to me the broadcast clock blinked out much earlier than I felt it had.

I like Wilder finishing Fury, but could see Fury being the master tactician he is and working 12 rounds of stick-and-move cardio to take Wilder back into those deep waters from the first go around, possibly working a lopsided UD.

Ruiz has a chance against Wilder but none against Fury. If wanna discuss the nuances of either of those possibilities, I do not pull out for holiday travel for another several hours.

Cheers

a reply to: Cravens

There was 6 seconds left in the rd. Not sure of the rules for this particular fight, but I have seen where a fighter cannot be saved by the bell.

Anyway, back on topic, the Ruiz-Joshua rematch takes place on neutral ground in Saudi Arabia so I find that interesting too.

a reply to: Cravens

I am a believer in Joshua being concussed in his training leading up to the fight. He suffered a KO in sparring weeks before the fight. I think he comes back and KO's Ruiz quickly in fight two... while Hearn happily milks out a third fight to promote.

As far as Fury vs Wilder. Tyson is the man. Tyson was robbed of a victory against the bronze bomber, as he won nearly every round outside of touching the canvas. I think deontay catches him in the second fight, to my dismay, but Fury should have been #1 champ this whole time on the books and not just in the peoples' hearts.

a reply to: chadderson

I heard the rumors of Joshua being knocked out in sparring before the first fight. Don't know if it is true, or not. But I think he might have been concussed for sure when Ruiz's punch kind of landed on top of his head. He was visibly shaken and never recovered after that.

a reply to: Blueracer

It’s not surprising the boxing world has failed to codify a ‘unified set of rules’ with respect to standing counts, being saved by the bell and knockdowns; I had it in my mind Ortiz wasn’t gonna be counted out because of the round’s end — at the very least, I felt the ref was going pull a “9-9 and a quarter-9 and a half-9 and 3 quarters” count as Ortiz was getting up after the bell, giving Ortiz the benefit of at least answering the bell at the beginning of R8.

I’m failing to see what Saudi Arabia has to do with it, unless the inference is related to air temp and Ruiz having far superior cardio. If that’s the inference, yeah, I see Ruiz really boxing him up and crushing Eddie Hearn’s cash cow.

Ruiz has superior foot work, hand speed, ring generalship, and chin. Joshua has punching power. That’s the only check mark he gets in the strengths’ ledger.

Joshua is an athlete. He’s purdy. Young. British. Everything Eddie Hearn needed to sell to the public. He’s no world champion boxer, not on a Ruiz, Wilder or Fury level.

Check the Westgate Sportsbook line early next week and watch it move as the fight nears — follow the smart money and you’ll have a good idea of what the outcome is likely to be.

a reply to: chadderson

Totally disagree but that’s why we login and post. Ruiz has never been truly beaten (that Parker loss is on par with the PacMan loss to Horn in terms of being robbed by some good ole ‘homecookin’), let alone KO’d. He’s gonna see every one of Joshua’s punches coming.

Maybe it is too PC these days to say, but Ruiz has that Chicano blood and Joshua doesn’t have the power to one-shot him, nor the boxing acumen to trap and catch him with a withering combo that puts him down. Ruiz would have to be caught behind the ear while Joshua was circling out or some other lucky punch for Joshua to win by KO/TKO. He ain’t getting him outta there with a long, straight punch combo like that Ruiz worked Joshua over with.

Not sure why you think Wilder gets Fury this time, but I can totally see that happening. No doubt. However, I see Fury eating a couple donkey punches and weathering the damage (maybe a couple knockdowns) early and using his weight to lean on Wilder tactically, draining Wilder throughout, while cleaning up on the scorecards in R8-R12. No matter what the result, notwithstanding something truly fu$ked up occurring, there will be a Wilder - Fury III...at some point, at least.

originally posted by: Cravens
a reply to: Blueracer



I’m failing to see what Saudi Arabia has to do with it, unless the inference is related to air temp and Ruiz having far superior cardio. If that’s the inference, yeah, I see Ruiz really boxing him up and crushing Eddie Hearn’s cash cow.

The fight is in Saudi Arabia. Any inference is your own.

Joshua gets rocked against anyone you put him up against. If he stays on the outside and simple jab - straight Klitschko style, then possibly get a 12 round decision. Personally think Ruiz will get on the inside and take him out again, he's just too fast and can take Joshua's power so has no fear.

Joshua just doesn't have the heart for deep waters nor the chin for big punchers, i think that's why he avoided Wilder.

Fury beats them all without much trouble other than getting caught with that one big hook.

a reply to: Blueracer

Fair enough there’s no alleged inference, per se — I own the inference.

Pointless to mention the fight being in Saudi Arabia, in that case. After all, you said it being on neutral ground was “interesting”, why assert anything regarding where it’s fought as being “interesting”? Fun, new, out-of-the-ordinary and many other descriptors would suffice, but interesting connotes something to ponder with respect to the outcome of the fight.

Deriving an inference from “rematch takes place on neutral ground in Saudi Arabia so I find that interesting too” isn’t a stretch particularly, given there is very little evidence fighting on neutral ground makes a difference. PacMan lost a terrible decision in Australia to an Australian. Just like Ruiz losing to a Kiwi in OZ. Homecookin on the scorecards is real, so asserting it as interesting must have been a mistake, if you were talking about the impact on the fight outcome.

So whatever was interesting about it must be related to the production value. Or some other ancillary component of the fight.

I’m sure you can square that up and let us know what’s interesting about Saudi Arabia and Its effect on the fight Outcome.

a reply to: Cravens

You like to read a lot into every utterance made when there is nothing to read into. Any connoting is your own. If you find nothing interesting about it being in Saudi Arabia, that is on you. I said nothing on its effect on the outcome.

This thread is about the Ruiz-Joshua rematch. I did not ask to be critiqued on any meanings and/or inferences about things that you think are there. Whether they are, or not.

a reply to: Blueracer

I dunno, man, the guy sure looks like he knows his stuff if you ask me...but nobody asked me.

I'll find the door.

Dbl

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

What guy?

a reply to: Blueracer

I think Joshua took the last fight for granted and will be a different proposition this time around.
But I don't think it'll be a walkover.
Joshua can be pretty one-dimensional and predictable, seems to have stamina issues and a bit of a glass jaw.
As such I wouldn't be that surprised if Ruiz knocks him out again.

I hope I'm wrong and Id love to see Joshua show some of the potential he has shown earlier and regain his belt.

ETA

Joshua is as short of 2/5 with bookies over here whereas Ruiz is as long as 21/10.
Don't know how the American bookies are pricing it up?

One week until the bell rings. I am leaning towards Joshua winning by decision.

Really a toss up though. Fight could go either way.

a reply to: Blueracer

Night before the fight...I was just going to make this thread but saw yours.

I am really excited about this fight...I am liking the heavyweight division again!!

Ruiz just weighed in at 187.5 which is pretty big.

I am giving it to Ruiz.
He is a talented Butterbean and does all the things Butterbean can't....like box, move and have fast hands.

AJ could do it if they go to the late rounds because I doubt Ruiz shape and cardio....I heard he was doing 10 to 12 round sparring sessions and for me, thats just not enough so I worry he didn't make that grade.


So since I was going to ask,if you were starving and had 1 dollar you could turn into a hundred with the right bet....who would you put your last dollar on???

a reply to: DrumsRfun

I think the climate of Saudi Arabia actually suits Ruiz more. Also can see Joshua gassing before Ruiz then going all out for KO and leaving gaps.

I would be thoroughly shocked if Joshua wins, Ruiz is a better boxer and fighter not to mention has the chin and heart advantage.

Will stop AJ between rounds 5 and 7 IMO

The fighters weighed in today.

Weigh in

Ruiz at 283.7 lbs is 15 lbs heavier than the first fight. Joshua, at 237 lbs, is 10 lbs lighter than their first fight.

I saw Joshua say something earlier this week on DAZN that he's here to win. Not to put on a show for the fans. That tells me he is planning to box and move and not get into wild exchanges with Ruiz.

It really is a toss up fight but I am leaning toward Joshua winning by decision.

It is fight day boys and girls. The show starts in less than n hour.