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posted on Nov, 27 2019 @ 10:05 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: StallionDuck



Oh give us a break. Trump had both Chambers for 2 years. Stop with the “it’s the Democrats fault” on that crap.




The republicans like to talk a good game but they are as bad as the democrats. Trump tax reform was a joke .




posted on Nov, 27 2019 @ 10:39 PM
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originally posted by: Pilgrum
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

That makes more sense

Our 'medicare' is funded by a levy based on a percentage of taxable income (after all deductions & allowances are factored in). There are also thresholds on that income where we'll be charged an extra levy if not covered by private health insurance.
It's still cheaper to suffer the extra levy than to take the private cover so people keep dropping out of private cover which overloads the medicare system producing very long waiting lists in a lot of places. Basically, if you want to be treated reasonably quickly especially for things considered 'elective surgery' you have to be covered by private insurance.


Which is exactly why most of us in the US DO NOT WANT MEDICARE FOR ALL!

If I was on medicare I would have had to wait for months or years to get my anuerysms repaired and it would likely have burst by then. Our doctors are already getting slammed by the number of patients because there are fewer doctors in business since Obamacare was started. I worked in healthcare for several years and our own family doctors got out when the ACA took effect. Private practice doctors are scarce now, most work for hospital systems and a lot of those in rural hospitals are straight out of school looking to get their loans forgiven.

It's not pretty and it's getting worse thanks to the ACA.


edit on 27-11-2019 by HalWesten because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 27 2019 @ 11:04 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Thank god Bernie can't win.

Unfortunately his crazy ideas are being fed to the youth and they are buying them.

The way things are going they are eventually going to elect someone like AOC and destroy this country. It seems inevitable at this point. I hate to say it, but sometimes people just have to learn the hard way.



posted on Nov, 27 2019 @ 11:07 PM
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originally posted by: interupt42

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: StallionDuck



Oh give us a break. Trump had both Chambers for 2 years. Stop with the “it’s the Democrats fault” on that crap.




The republicans like to talk a good game but they are as bad as the democrats. Trump tax reform was a joke .


In what way?

86% got tax cuts, $1500 for the averaged middle class family - and it helped the economy to roar.

I seriously have no idea how anybody could actually be opposed to it. Being opposed is a clear indication you have TDS.



posted on Nov, 28 2019 @ 12:13 AM
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a reply to: Gryphon66



BS Cowboy

That's cute. Thing is he is usually right in what he says on this board. I enjoy reading his sheite.



posted on Nov, 28 2019 @ 12:29 AM
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The economic trend lines for the last three years are on the same progression as the last decade.

Recent tax cuts benefited the wealthy far more than the average American, and the actual number is more like 60-70% benefiting, with the lowest wage earners getting a $40 annual tax cut, while the average family got $800 per year, but in the process, several deductions that benefited the middle class were taken away (like deducting mortgage interest)

Without corresponding cuts in spending, these tax incentives for the wealthy are once again ballooning the deficit which will in turn slow the economy and possibly trigger a recession. Typical Republican voodoo economics.



posted on Nov, 28 2019 @ 12:30 AM
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a reply to: CharlesT

I enjoy his sheite too a decent amount of the time.

He was looking for a dissenting view to the OP.



posted on Nov, 28 2019 @ 12:45 AM
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Before he was for it, he was against it.

Why is that?

1987


Nothing has changed, it will still bankrupt the entire system, exactly as planned...

Cloward Piven & Alinsky after all.



posted on Nov, 28 2019 @ 01:19 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
while the average family got $800 per year, but in the process, several deductions that benefited the middle class were taken away (like deducting mortgage interest)


I was able to deduct my mortgage interest this past year.


Mortgage Interest Deduction

In the past, you could deduct interest on a mortgage of up to $1 million. Beginning this year, the limit is $750,000 ($375,000 if married and filing separately)


The problem is that people owning homes with mortgages over $750,000 have to stop diluting themselves into thinking they are the average "middle class" family. Assuming the normal 10% to 20% down, that 750,000 in home mortgage means ones home is worth more like 833,000; and even if you start to go above that point you still can deduct most of the interest.

I would love to be able to afford a 833,000 house with a 750,000 mortgage; it would be almost triple the value of my house and mortgage. And I make a much better than average salary in a area of the country that has a high cost of living (ei higher average wage).

Those people owning homes that where hit significantly by the mortgage interest deduction cap decrease, and even the SALT deduction decrease, are the "wealthy" that so many people want to see be made to "pay their fair share".

My personal idealical beliefs don't really support the idea that the wealthy don't "pay their fair share." I just find it funny when those who do support the idea start to get squamish when the wealthy are made to pay more. Here in my area the "wealthy" (many of them liberal minded) experienced a lot of gnashing of teeth as they tried to pay some of their taxes early in an attempt to avoid paying more of "their fair share". They didn't appreciate it when I pointed not the irony to them.



posted on Nov, 28 2019 @ 01:37 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

I guess you don't understand how taxes work.

You also don't seem to grasp the cost of health insurance in America either:

The average annual cost of health insurance, in 2019 without subsidies, for an individual is $5,500. With subsidies(read: socialism); $2,400/year

The tax increase proposed by Sanders for someone making $29,000/year is $1,200.

That's a savings of over $4,000 per year with no additional costs (deductible, copay, etc.) or half of what you pay now if your insurance is subsidized under the Affordable Care Act.



posted on Nov, 28 2019 @ 01:49 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

What I'm curious to hear Bernie explain is, when all the wealthy and super-wealthy folk leave the US to avoid having to give 50-90% of their taxable income to Bernies US 2.0, where is he going to get all the money the country needs to sustain its current status and lifestyle?

Robots?
Money trees?
Elon?
Aliens?
George Soros and the UN?

Is this why there's no mention of the US in Revelations?

Inquiring minds want to know.....



posted on Nov, 28 2019 @ 01:52 AM
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Honestly if you don’t see much of a difference between 29k and 60k to live off of, you’re just demonstrating your lack of knowledge on how difficult it is to live on ~30k a year. There’s a huge difference there.



posted on Nov, 28 2019 @ 01:58 AM
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a reply to: links234

This. Honestly there is a massive healthcare cost that needs to be addressed. I’m literally bleeding so much money in premiums and deductibles. For those that think universal healthcare will hurt them, clearly they’re not the ones actually impacted by these ridiculous costs that most people cannot afford.



posted on Nov, 28 2019 @ 01:58 AM
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a reply to: links234

This. Honestly there is a massive healthcare cost that needs to be addressed. I’m literally bleeding so much money in premiums and deductibles. For those that think universal healthcare will hurt them, clearly they’re not the ones actually impacted by these ridiculous costs that most people cannot afford.



posted on Nov, 28 2019 @ 02:04 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: DBCowboy

No really, seriously ... Sanders said this yesterday and now you’re convinced that this is what all non-Trump supporters want? (Since that seems to be the going definition of “leftist.”)

BS Cowboy. I think Sanders is a right two-watt.




DUH , Bernie Sanders is a Communist . Digest that for a Minute . Anything that comes out of his Pie Hole is going to be BAD for Our Democratic Republic based on a Economic Capitalistic System . MOST Americans are " Wise " to this " Scam Artist " and Laugh at his Stupidity .......






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posted on Nov, 28 2019 @ 05:14 AM
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a reply to: Zanti Misfit

I guess you’re not voting for Sanders then?

Good plan.



posted on Nov, 28 2019 @ 05:52 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

I agree.
I really wish we could have a serious discussion on here about how to solve the health insurance problem.
Or the health care problem.



posted on Nov, 28 2019 @ 05:55 AM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

This lady on the left is firmly in the middle. or even the right of the left. If that exists...
anyway I'm giving Bloomberg a serious glance.
I love Kamela but I dont see it happening.



posted on Nov, 28 2019 @ 06:03 AM
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originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Gryphon66

This lady on the left is firmly in the middle. or even the right of the left. If that exists...
anyway I'm giving Bloomberg a serious glance.
I love Kamela but I dont see it happening.


I liked Mayor Pete until I found out he apparently has zero respect for the Constitution due to his stance on the Electoral College (he thinks it should be abolished) and specifically gun control (assault weapon ban). Unsurprisingly he’s a supporter of equal rights for LGBT Americans, but ... there’s no way I can support anyone who does not support the Constitution as a basis for their policies. Advocating to take away one of our rights is the same as advocating to take away all of them.

I’ll be voting for the Libertarian, unless it’s Gary Johnson, at which point I will write in “any reasonable American who supports the Constitution and rational thought.”
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posted on Nov, 28 2019 @ 06:59 AM
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originally posted by: links234
a reply to: DBCowboy

I guess you don't understand how taxes work.


Nope, I have a pretty good idea.


You also don't seem to grasp the cost of health insurance in America either:


Nope, I have a pretty good idea.


The average annual cost of health insurance, in 2019 without subsidies, for an individual is $5,500. With subsidies(read: socialism); $2,400/year

Source?


The tax increase proposed by Sanders for someone making $29,000/year is $1,200.


That's a savings of over $4,000 per year with no additional costs (deductible, copay, etc.) or half of what you pay now if your insurance is subsidized under the Affordable Care Act.


This is where you fail. Medicare is 80% and you pay the additional 20%, but if Comrade Bernie picks up the tab for the additional 20% he'll have to raise taxes even further, plus, you're stuck with this plan, have no choice to opt in or out, and are mandated to pay regardless.




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