Dec 12th, 2019 UK General Election Thread

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter
a reply to: ScepticScot

I'm not a troll SScot just someone wo has lived through half a century of dufferent politics parties and experiences and life for us is better under the Tories. Don't get me wrong, there's much about the Tories not keen on, the elitist manner in their party is a bit stinky and going back a hundred years yes theyre a horrid lot and we REALLY did need Labour back then to save the general public from thr rightest extremes and to help buo;d a more balanced Britain. It's just in the modern world if you get up from the couch learn some way to encourage others to ahnd over money to make you a living you are simply lots better off in an economy run by the Tories. It's just common sense not to let Labour ruin it again, that's why the Tories are in power now and I expect will be in power next year

That might be your personal experience but it certainly doesn't make it true for the majority of people.

Labour's economic record is generally better than the Tories.

User UKtruth has a damn good head on his shoulders and roots for Trump across the pond.

The user has been one of the more respected foreigners and thus his input is valued.

Therefore, whoever UKtruth supports, I'll support and endorse as well 😌

Here's hoping for a good and just election 🍺🍻🥃

a reply to: gortex

Ahh Gortex we were reeling it out down at Hager back in the day, bring in labour and it all went tits up. high pound and all

a reply to: Arnie123

Trump is a living legend and an example to every leader worldwide how to govern your country and help your own people. Just wish we could have him over here

a reply to: ScepticScot

hahahha you got to be kidding? You think business wants Labout in power next elect Wow that's an economic prospect. Lol you are funny in that lovely Scottish sort of way. I'm off now to do last delivery to a local factory so I'll wish yu a lovely evening in your socialist heaven

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter
a reply to: ScepticScot

hahahha you got to be kidding? You think business wants Labout in power next elect Wow that's an economic prospect. Lol you are funny in that lovely Scottish sort of way. I'm off now to do last delivery to a local factory so I'll wish yu a lovely evening in your socialist heaven

And it's well known that big business only has the best interest of the country at heart...

Back on topic I think it's been interesting how the big 2 have handled the campaign so far.

Johnson : Talk about brexit at every opportunity even when questioned on something completely unrelated.

Corbyn: Talk about anything but brexit even when asked directly about it.

originally posted by: Arnie123
User UKtruth has a damn good head on his shoulders and roots for Trump across the pond.

The user has been one of the more respected foreigners and thus his input is valued.

Therefore, whoever UKtruth supports, I'll support and endorse as well 😌

Here's hoping for a good and just election 🍺🍻🥃

Thanks for that.
I would say that it's not so much Trump that i root for - I simply prefer his policies and also think it's the duty of any freedom loving individual to rail against the awful behaviour of the left. I guess in one sense I do root for him - to win against the disgusting behaviour of the left. The propaganda and smears from are nothing new with them, though more intense now. We're seeing it here in the UK too. I remember Reagan getting similar treatment.
Any time the left lose an election all hell breaks loose.
You can bet that if Labour lose, we'll be hearing about Russia a whole lot. We've already had some of it.

I think we're going to end up in a even bigger mess with the arithmetic of parliament and be left with a hung parliament, probably with the Conservatives having the most seats but no other party willing to help them to form a majority. Then we will get a whole load of arguing as Labour try to form a government that they will fail to form unless they give the SNP a second referendum on Scottish independence (which they won't). So that means the Tories will end up with a minority government that's still not able to get anything through and we will be back at the polls before the year is out.

This whole thing is a mess and this election won't change that just make it a little messier.

a reply to: ScepticScot

If the Tories get in, it will be more of the same, only without E.U. labor laws they will have a field day. Either way its got to the point for any real change the medicine has to be radical. A dying system is a dying system, and it will be the working class who get it first last and sideways.

This whole election is absolutely pointless and it will achieve nothing.

Nothing will change and Britain will be talking about Brexit for the next 10 years.

I don't know what's more rigged, the US two party system, which means they only have one more choice than Communist China. Or Britains FPTP system that encourages voters to vote tactically and not for the actual party they want to vote for.

Add to that, there is no party worth voting for.

Please correct me if I am wrong.....but isn't the Brexit 'deal' just the terms to be negotiated for the settlement once we have 'Brexited'?
In other words there will be a whole heap more negotiating and fine tuning to be done to each aspect of the 'divorce' deal once we have left?
The Johnson 'deal' takes us out with outlines of what then needs to be finely negotiated after....hope that makes sense....

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originally posted by: ufoorbhunter


and who got us into that mess? Tony Blair and Gordon Brown

They ruined all the good work Maggie did, blimey of all people you should know how Telford booming times under Maggie............................. It was an industrial gem of a town back then only to be let down by Blairs high Pound

And who can forget this.......Selling off our gold reserves at rock bottom prices.

Dubbed ‘Brown’s Bottom’, the sale of half of the UK’s gold reserves between 1999 and 2002 by then-Chancellor Gordon Brown is considered a particular low point in British history.

Today marks the 20th anniversary of this event, so we revisit Gordon Brown’s mistakes; how a cautious Chancellor let down his guard and undersold more than half of Britain’s gold reserves.

Originally intended to be a secret, the planned sale was brought up in a question for the Treasury in the House of Commons on Friday May 7th. The confirmation of intention from the Treasury subsequently alerted the gold market, and the gold price fell by $10 per ounce.

The bear market, combined with the rise of stocks, shares, and major currencies, was a very tempting prospect for Gordon Brown and a way of making the UK’s assets generate more income for the country. On paper, it looked like a fair move, but the advice from the Bank of England was not to sell
One reason for this oversight and ignoring the guidance of the BoE could be the Special Relationship between the UK and the US; a temptation to please the USA and back the US Dollar and present a united front for geopolitical reasons internationally, and PR reasons domestically.

www.bullionbypost.co.uk...

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter

and who got us into that mess? Tony Blair and Gordon Brown

They ruined all the good work Maggie did, blimey of all people you should know how Telford booming times under Maggie............................. It was an industrial gem of a town back then only to be let down by Blairs high Pound

OOOOHH...... Just waiting for the usual suspects coming on with "She stole the

milk out of the mouths of our (straight legged, strapping) bairns"

a reply to: eletheia

Selling off our gold was unbelievable but only to be expected from Labour.................. Plus a Scottish one too

One thing I re-remembered a couple of weeks ago is that the whole thing is a sham.

It's a tool to distract the masses and convince them that they have a voice, an illusion of democracy.

I got wrapped up in it in for a few years.

Complete nonsense.

"You must use your vote!"

But at the same time:

"A vote for anyone but Conservative or Labour is wasted!"

Haha... carry on... I'm off.

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter
a reply to: gortex

Better for people who work for a living.................... The economy is always better under the Tories and that means it filters down to the public. Anybody whi has been around during the Calahan or Blair Brown governments knows what happens when Labour gets in and ruins the show. It's simple, life is better if you are a hard worker and don't claim benefits under a Conservaitive government

Thing is, under Tory govt, hard-workers with full-time jobs are claiming top-up benefits or they can't pay their rents and other living costs. People are working for benefits. Earning their poverty. That's not a better life for hard workers.

Most are on zero-hour contracts too, going to work every day hoping they don't get laid off today. Every month, exhausted, stressed and broke, having to hand over payslips and bank details and every tiny bit of personal information to govt jobcentres so they can get top-up benefits to scrape them through the next month. Disheartening.

Life under Tory govt means that workers have to also claim benefits just the same as non-workers. Workers in UK aren't rewarded with sufficient pay from bosses like on normal planets, but instead are rewarded with a little bit extra in benefits from govt.

I'm guessing more people are dependent on the benefit system under the tories, not less.

a reply to: doobydoll

This is very true but something that senior Tories are starting to realise (obvious all along but harder to see when life is easy!). As such, they are now starting to make noise about rebalancing the nation in an economic sense. If they can actually pull that off (im extremely skeptical) then i believe it would make it very hard for Labour in future elections.

originally posted by: Flavian
a reply to: doobydoll

This is very true but something that senior Tories are starting to realise (obvious all along but harder to see when life is easy!). As such, they are now starting to make noise about rebalancing the nation in an economic sense. If they can actually pull that off (im extremely skeptical) then i believe it would make it very hard for Labour in future elections.

They've had nearly an entire decade to ''make a noise about rebalancing the nation . ..'' - they're the ones responsible for causing the imbalance in the first place. Deliberately. Purposefully.

Tories are 'realising' only because of this looming election. No other reason.

Ten years of innocently 'not realising'. Then it's announced we're having an unexpected election at short notice and they suddenly start 'realising' and 'making a noise' and want to put things right blah de blah.

The only thing the Tories are 'realising' is they are very close to being booted out of govt, and if that happens they're finished for good and won't get in again, because people will see that another party can do a better job.

Never EVER trust a tory. They're a sly snakey breed.

a reply to: doobydoll

To each their own i guess. Personally speaking, i'd take a Tory over a Champagne Socialist any day of the week.