ok. America isSCREWED!!!!! We have the rest of the world hating us yet we just go on our merry little way, oblivious to what is going to happen. Terrorists will attack us again. Mark my words.

Why are you so sure capitilism is the only way? Oh I know, cause that's what they tell you!

How about thinking for yourself?

Who do you think capitilism really helps, the poor? Or the rich?

Who really benifits from this system, the starving? The Homeless? The jobless? The disabled?

Or those that own corporation? Those that are born with silver spoons?

Capitilism is a total con-job. Created so the few can exploit the many for personal selfish gain.

Do you really think it's fair that richy rich has billions while joe bloe has nothing?

How does it help us ALL, pls explain.

And why the obsession with the left? Did you read my post? I'm neither left nor right, they're not MY labels, sry.
And you think the right is any better, last time I looked the right was what the Nazi's were, are they more to your liking?
And you can have right wing socialists you know! That's what the nazi party was.
Left and right, just as bad as each other. Think for yourself.

[edit on 28/11/2005 by ANOK]

Originally posted by ANOK
Why are you so sure capitilism is the only way? Oh I know, cause that's what they tell you!

Who is they, I'm nearly a hermit, I'm not a right winger, they spend most of their time preaching about god, and they have no problem with Capitalism, therefore I have no arguments with them, but I am not one of them.

How about thinking for yourself?

You sound like a broken record, spewing anti capitalism, and anti American rhetoric, are you sure you are not a Marxist clone, you sound like one---and I have yet to hear anything original from you----only the same tired crap that Ho chi men brain washed his North Vietnam zombies with.

Who do you think capitilism really helps, the poor? Or the rich?

Hands down the poor benefit from Capitalism, the rich exist in any political atmosphere and don't need Capitalism.

Who really benifits from this system, the starving? The Homeless? The jobless? The disabled?

All of them, if they lived in a Communist country they would be killed or left to die, read up on the former Soviet Union and their endless atrocities, then look up Cambodia, Thailand, Laos, Vietnam and China, cause I know you won’t believe me.

Or those that own corporation? Those that are born with silver spoons?

Envy will get you know where, don't worry about what others have, worry about yourself----people like you wouldn’t last two minutes in the shoes of those you envy----it takes character and guts-----not the stuff of whining and envious anarchist.

Capitilism is a total con-job. Created so the few can exploit the many for personal selfish gain.

Typical mindless leftwing propaganda----is it yours, or have you been brainwashed?----why don't you think for yourself for once?

Do you really think it's fair that richy rich has billions while joe bloe has nothing?

It's none of your business what richly rich has----if you or Joe blow wants what richly rich has get off you butt and work for it. Or are you expecting richly rich to give his money to you?-----that dang envy thing again.

You say you are not left, well you would make a good lefty they too are envious of those who work more and have more then them.

How does it help us ALL, pls explain

Capitalism provides opportunities for those who wish to become more than communist zombies; and billions of dollars every year for social programs for the needy and those too lazy to work.

Originally posted by drbryankkruta
Self indulgent , provocative, war mongering , idealogical , super power with nukes and an insane Goverment willing to use them.

well ill give you the self indulgent, but the rest of them describe the people who run this country.

Originally posted by ANOK
Why are you so sure capitilism is the only way? Oh I know, cause that's what they tell you!

yet communism and other examples have worked SO well

Originally posted by KrazyIvan

Originally posted by ANOK
Why are you so sure capitilism is the only way? Oh I know, cause that's what they tell you!

yet communism and other examples have worked SO well

Again you all seem to be suffering from foot in mouth disease...

Can't you guys think outside the labels you are given?

I am not a cummunist or a Marxist, I've never even read any Marx.
And if YOU really knew anything about it you'd see that...

Why keep throwing labels at people? Can't you argue your points any other way? You think calling someone communist is gonna piss em off or something? I'd rather be called a communist than a right wing fascist.
"Oh I can't argue with you so I'm just going to label you something I dislike because I'm told it's bad, and then I can just dismiss anything you say"

Why is it people feel the need put down others beliefs to make their own beliefs valid? I don't get it...

And Sleeper jeez where do I start, or maybe I shouldn't seeing as how I didn't plan to hijack this thread...

So you think the guys who take your garbage out don't work hard?
The guys who cook your food when you go out to eat?

Think about it, millions of ppl work their asses of their whole lives, do they get rich?
Do you really think the rich get that way by just working hard?
How nieave if you do.

It's got nothing to do with getting off asses or being jelouse of what someones has. It's about equality and liberty for ALL of us, not just you and not just me. Americans can't seem to understand that concept. You live in a very ME world. Anything that might take away your chance of being richy rich
is at best ignored. Chasing carrots gets most people nowhere.
There are concepts outside the slavery of MONEY, yes YOUR slave master, the beast. Worship away...And stay blind to any alternative...

Do you not realise how money and capitilism keeps us artificialy underdeveloped? Do you know if it wasn't for capitilism we could have clean free power? How many inventions how been baught by corporations and hidden away, so they can keep making money? For example a carboureter was invented in the 50's that would substantialy lower gas usage, but the oil companys saw that as a threat to their profits...
Did WE lose or gain from that little move?

I'll ask this again seeing as no one has answered yet...How do the poor gain from capitilism? Are the poor any better off today?
That saying 'the rich get richer and the poor get poorer' is NOT a myth you know. So how does it help the poor? Other than the bones they are thrown once in awhile?

Why does wanting to make a more fair equal system threaten you so much?
And don't quote China or Russia they were/are every bit as capitilistic as the US is.
Their system is no better, I'm not making comparasens here like you guys seem to like to do. We need to forget "their" labels and ways and creat our own....

And when I say "them" or "their", don't act dumb you know who I mean

[edit on 29/11/2005 by ANOK]

Sleeper let this be the drill of logic.


No wealthy or powerful modern nation is either purely socilalsit or capitalist, they are a mix of BOTH. I in no way said that capitalism was a bad thing. You stated that your "little finger" had more compassion for the poor than all the "left" in all the world put together. I gave you a statistical arguement that beat out your "little finger" (not difficult). i also stated that the countries I mentioned might not fit into your label of "right" and "left" Reread my post and try again.
As for your insightful dissection of my poll...
Quality-adjusted aid and charitable giving/GDP (%) 2002 (source oecd website)
1.Sweden
2.Denmark
3.Netherlands
4.Norway
5.France

Get a plane ticket go to these countries and smell the roses.
Sleeper Quote:

The last time I looked money didn't grow on trees, all these socialist countries and peoples help with what? With money I presume. How is money created? The exchange of goods from one country to another----that is Capitalism. Governments don't create money corporations create money. Socialist and Communist countries do participate with Capitalist corperations, China finally figurer it out, So has Russian and Vietnam.
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You are correct money does not grow on trees!!! they used a mix of Socialism, Capitalism, Left, and Right to be sucessful. Just like the USA. I tried to write an interedting post for you to answer earlier but you didn't answer it, still waiting for you to defend your "litttle finger" though...
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Originally posted by ANOK

So you think the guys who take your garbage out don't work hard?
The guys who cook your food when you go out to eat?

Some of the guys that take out the garbage are rich, they own their own trucks, and they drive their own trucks and provide jobs for people in the community who need the work.

Some of those people started their business collecting trash, while working for someone else.

Same with those who cook meals at restaurants, go back into the kitchen and the dirtiest and hardest working person is probably the owner----and no one would ever know.

Think about it, millions of ppl work their asses of their whole lives, do they get rich?

Yes many of them do get rich----most don’t flaunt their money----because money has been tarnished and millions of people who are rich live in bad neighborhoods, and in middle class neighborhoods, so that no one will suspect that they are wealthy.

Lots of people who look rich are in fact poor, they own more than they are worth---but they like the life style.

Do you really think the rich get that way by just working hard?
How nieave if you do

As long as they didn't break any laws to become rich-----their being rich is nobodies business but their own-----most----most---most rich people are benefactors, pouring billions of dollars into social programs, both private and public----which helps the needy.

We need more rich not less rich, because there are many in need-----

Money helps the needy-----money creates jobs----money creates opportunities.

No other system has worked better at alleviating poverty than Capitalism----none-----in the thousands of years of human history.

Yet there are those who wish to keep millions in poverty by destroying and bad-mouthing capitalism.

It's about equality and liberty for ALL of us, not just you and not just me. Americans can't seem to understand that concept.

Sheep are equal, cattle are equal----they are taken care of because they are a commodity----to be sold and eaten.

Humans are not animals, you can’t herd them into one group----humans thrive on individuality, on freedom and on reward.

Some people are like cattle they don't need freedom or incentive----feed them and wipe their noses, wipe their butts and they are happy----under capitalism they can live that way with welfare until they die.

Most Americans would prefer to make it on their own. If they fail they can use the welfare system, if they succeed they can be heckled by those in the welfare system.

You live in a very ME world. Anything that might take away your chance of being richy rich

I was born in poverty and I probably will die in poverty, that's life.

I have crated jobs for others; I have given more than my fair share to charitable organizations-----and plenty to the taxman as well.

If that is a ME world, than so be it.

Originally posted by Bandar Paul
1.Sweden
2.Denmark
3.Netherlands
4.Norway
5.France

I have nothing against these countries, other than they, like many Socialist countries and people, wish to curb or stop Capitalism.

You say you are for a mixture of both Socialism and Capitalism, but that is not the stance of most on the left.

Get a plane ticket go to these countries and smell the roses.
Sleeper Quote:

I have been to Europe, I'm from Europe, its beautiful and they have marvelous gardens full of roses----only because someone is footing the bill with lots of Capitalist money.

I spend many hours in my garden here in America----I love flowers and nature----that is why I love Capitalism and it byproduct----freedom to do what I want when I want.

Socialism will allow certain freedoms as long as it can afford to do so, as long as it has big daddy Capitalism paying the bills, creating the jobs.

I tried to write an interedting post for you to answer earlier but you didn't answer it, still waiting for you to defend your "litttle finger" though...
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My little finger is a Capitalist finger, Capitalism creates the money that the Socialist have so that they can be generous.

Generosity comes from those that have jobs----jobs come from Capitalism.

No Capitalism----no generosity, it’s that simple.

And bartering is capitalism, exchanging eggs for sugar is no different than using money, money only makes the transaction easier.

But you knew that

Fair enough but I still think pure capitalism or pure socialism is a dangerous thing, a mixture of both has been the most successful path thus far. Dont think the power that big corporations have in controlling our government has gotten way out of hand. Enron, Worldcom, Lobbyists etc. America is becoming more of a plutocracy than a democracy?

America is the country I'm from and the country I love. Still I would change a few things. I'd first want to realize our countries full potential. I'd like a better environmental policy. I'd also like more help for the poor. Don't get me wrong I'm very appreciative of capitalism and its ability to create wealth however I've never been a fan of the trickle down effect. And healthcare for all is my last decree! And to the rest of the world I give the finger.

America is a blockage on the blowhole of the world.

America is the land of the free, and home of the brave. The multiple cultures here will astound you. From European to Native American, it is all spread out, through out this nation of mine. So many places to go, so many people to see. Yes, we might be just a little too fast for your liking, but go to one of our beaches and your troubles just fade out to sea.

This is America, and I am an American!

America is in the hands of an effete corp of neocon snobs. Sign up for the coming revolution.

America is a nation constantly on the brink of change.