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AOC’s inspiration failed as solar company fires all employees after they unionized

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posted on Nov, 26 2019 @ 06:19 PM

originally posted by: Ohanka
Sad that such blatant exploitation and avarice is legal. The executives should be arrested.

Being a power company it should be government owned as public utility from the start with so there aren’t parasites at the top to make such decisions.

I agree, they should get $500 an hour! Cuz union.

posted on Nov, 26 2019 @ 06:20 PM
a reply to: Ohanka

Ya ought to check that bias at the front door.

Bright power isn't some fortune 500 company.

posted on Nov, 26 2019 @ 06:21 PM

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: vonclod
They got greedy, figured being unionised meant "cash cow"

I'm on the fence with some unions..they definitely had their place, and served a needed purpose. Now..meh.

Unions worked and were a smart move when things like free trade, overreaching labor and environmental regulations, and "living wage" minimum wages didn't exist in the United States. With those policies firmly entrenched, however, all unions do is add yet another reason for companies to go outside the US borders to produce their good and/or service in one of the many, many countries out there which do not over-regulate their companies and do not mandate minimum wages.

Yup, a double edged sword.

Right now, we are in the midst of a transit strike, tommorow the shtf, no busses for 3 days, going to be interesting.

The union was made a decent offer(around 10% over 3 years), better than any other public sector unions settled for. They are not satisfied with the offer. They want to make the same wage as workers in Toronto. The bus company says No, you don't get to compare wages, yet the bus companies executives are looking at an 18-25% raise..because thats what execs in Toronto got.

It's fing insanity, I cant fault the union on principal!
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posted on Nov, 26 2019 @ 06:36 PM
a reply to: Ohanka

They sold services worth $225,000 per employee last year. Let's do a little business 101, shall we?

Say you pay the employees $56 an hour...
That's $116,500 per year
Add 6.2% for employer Social Security compensation: $7,225
State Unemployment Insurance: NY convoluted methodology isn't easy to compute, but it looks like $7,000 lands close
NY has one of the highest workman's comp rates in the US, at 3-3.5%: $3,500
Employer health insurance: $6, 163
401k employer contribution (5% matching assumed): $5,825
That $56/hr has just gone to $146,213 per year, per employee.

At 125 employees, the company has already spent $18.3 MILLION of it's $27.6 MILLION in revenue (note, that's revenue, not profits) and it still hasn't paid it's facility lease/rent, business license, equipment purchase/lease/maintenance, business insurance, utility costs, legal counsel fees, marketing budget, transportation costs, or profits (you know, the whole goddamned reason a business exists in the first place?)

GTFO of here with the socialist crap and pick up a text book on economics and business acumen for a change. This happy hippy horsecrap of greedy businessmen because the employees aren't paid a 6 figure salary for whatever GED level work they're doing is unbecoming and paints a picture of an individual as clueless about business financials as they are about how to personally budget and live within their own means or educate themselves and get a better job rather than whining about not making enough.

posted on Nov, 26 2019 @ 06:41 PM
a reply to: vonclod

It is very much an unrealistic, irrational push to have their cake and eat it, too. Progressive governments, and the people who elected them, have proven that they are totally inept at prioritizing. Yes, the US can have the strictest environmental and labor laws in the world, but we can't do that and remain a nation of manufacturing and well employed workers.
Yes we can have a high minimum wage, but we can't do that with free trade in place because companies will leave and it is pointless to have the high minimum wage without cost controls in place (which are Unconstitutional) because the market will seek statsis between the haves and have nots, same as it always has.

posted on Nov, 26 2019 @ 06:51 PM
I would have more respect for unions if instead of dipping into the money pot they forced domestic production and purchases of domestically made products.

What was that old jingle, look for the union label, what ever happened to that?

posted on Nov, 26 2019 @ 07:08 PM
Fifty-six dollars an hour.. lmao. Ok. I'm going to have to look into this, but I would be willing to be that the majority of the former employees weren't worth that. I spent over a decade in various fields that are considered high demand where employers were really hurting for someone who knew what they were doing instead of the high school drop outs and union members that didn't know how to use a multimeter correctly and let me tell you what happened each and every single time it came down to how much I required for my expertise.

Any job that I considered was worth more than thirty an hour would be met with stupid looks. The companies that insisted on paying me a ridiculous 17 to less than 30 an hour would get turned down. Many of them would get angry and tell me I was out of my mind. Well the joke was on them when many of them would end up closing that specific location down, unless the big wigs in corporate wanted to save the place and dump some money into that location. Which was often funny when I would be contacted by corporate engineers directly to come in and I would walk in making twice what they didn't initially want to pay while watching the former maintenance supervisors and management packing their bags and leaving.

The companies that understood what was at risk and appreciated what I was bringing to the table gladly paid me what I wanted. I'm not stupid, I don't ask for much, but after I take into consideration the work that needs to be done and how much time is involved I ask a reasonable price.

But very rarely ever was I paid anything over fifty as a regular full time employee. The only times I reliable saw that figure was when I did contracting work. It's not financially feasible or smart.

These guys had their heads in the clouds and thought a union would give them everything they wanted without having to out in the work or have the necessary skills and experience.

One thing I was tought at a very young age is that if there is talk of unionizing you get your things in order and find work somewhere else, because it won't be long before everyone is shown the door.

posted on Nov, 26 2019 @ 09:59 PM
a reply to: Ohanka

Still a drop in the bucket compared to what their parasite overlords make a year.

You still possessed by the "Green Eyed Monster" , aren't you

posted on Nov, 26 2019 @ 11:08 PM

In what fantasy world did these people think they were in?? Plus benefits, and a 401K?? Really?

I'll side with the parasitic overlords on this one.

posted on Nov, 28 2019 @ 09:31 PM
as they should be paid, and no not all employees are worth what the owners and upper management are worth to the companies.

Owners don’t go through the risk to create companies only to give up the opportunity to make wealth for entry level workers. a reply to: Ohanka

posted on Nov, 29 2019 @ 04:59 PM
Why anyone would listen to someone with no work experience and no contracting experience is beyond me, this person has zero skills of any kind and would likely die out in the real world without her padded cushy government welfare handout job.

posted on Dec, 1 2019 @ 07:54 AM

originally posted by: Ohanka

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Ohanka

Sad that such blatant exploitation and avarice is legal. The executives should be arrested.

$56 an hour,401k plus OTHER benefits sounds like Extortion to me, and the company exec's shouldn't be arrested for having a brain.

Still a drop in the bucket compared to what their parasite overlords make a year.

Always amused when corporations and businesses say they need to "cut back" in employee benefits, employee pay and other such "non-essentials" while the bosses make 7-8 figures a year, before stock options, bonuses, golden handshakes and expenses.

Neofeudalisation is a certainly brilliant if you were born into the monied classes.

This is a whole bunch of nonsense wrapped up in fancy English.

Quit your bitching. Free markets/trade/capitalism bring innovation - thus profits.

What you’re arguing for does not.

Also, it’s a free country. Don’t like how you’re paid? Find a better job. Don’t have the skills for a better job? That’s on you bro - better go get them.

So much whiny liberal drivel. Good luck with your low income and “job” that your union mommy has to create for you since you can’t hack it on your own.


posted on Dec, 1 2019 @ 10:07 AM
I think many have lost sight of a basic truth.

We all have the basic skills to make a living. It’s called violence, and we all have the ability to get a gun, go to the homes of oligarchs and overlords, and take money by force.

It’s why we have the social contract, whereby the share of profits is supposed to be equitably distributed.

Historically the aristocracy had the monopoly on wealth, and on the violence they used to keep it. Their right was ordained by god, normally through violence their ancestors perpetrated to accrue it.

Then the merchant princes and robber barons arose, with armies and power of their own, and established a balance to share it with the nobility.

Now the aristocracy has largely been replaced by the oligarchy and the working class, and the back and forth between them is supposed to create a fine balance, where the owners can accrue profit off of other people’s work, and the working class is supposed to get a fair return on their labor.

But this balance has largely been destabilized by the lack of transparency in pay and profit, as well as the oligarchs co opting of ability to arbitrarily give themselves raises on the percentage of profit that goes to them, while separating fixed wages from any connection to the profit produced by the workers.

This is a breach of the social contract and can only be expected to go for so long before the violence factor comes out again.

To repeat, the oligarchs and businesses owners have done this to themselves by instituting wages completely disconnected from profit generated, and instituting complete lack of transparency so that workers have difficulty being able to quantify how much their work is really worth, and what a fair amount of compensation is, as well as largely limited wage increases that are not tied to productivity.

This lack of transparency in all forms is both an institution created to hide the exploitation of our system, AND the largest problem pervading our society from govt to work to media. It’s led to a complete loss in faith in our bosses, govt, and system, and is leading to greater and greater levels of social discord and divisiveness.

posted on Dec, 1 2019 @ 01:05 PM
a reply to: Ohanka

Still a drop in the bucket compared to what their parasite overlords make a year.

Oh, great, here we go again... another entitlement-envious whiner with absolutely no concept of how to do anything without help, and still insistent on calling that help names.

The crazy part of all this? That attitude right there is the very reason those 'parasite overlords' are acting like parasite overlords. I've been through the majority of the economic range in my years... grunt worker at the mercy of the bosses (some of which were despicable) and corporate CEO/major stockholder. Want to know why as a CEO I was so hard on employees? Because they were so hard on me!

I like to be around people who are nice to me. I do not like to be around people who hate my guts for helping them make a living. Weird, maybe, but that's just me... so the employee who comes along once in ablue moon and actually understands that he/she is not the end-all, be-all of everything winds up looking like a brown-noser for getting to pal around with the boss... nope, they're just (at least acting like) decent people.

It's really a simple equation: I, as a CEO, want to make money for the stockholders because they loaned me the money (as in bought stock) to make it possible for me to provide something. Those stockholders thought it was a good idea and could make money, so they invest their money in expectation of making more off it. If there was no such expectation, they wouldn't give me the money in the first place. I want to make money, or I wouldn't have started the business in the first place. My workers want to make money too, and I need them to do certain things for me.

It's a trade, at all levels. Investors trade the use of their money for more money. Management trades their time and expertise for money. Workers trade their labor and skills for money. Everyone comes out ahead as long as everyone trades fairly. If anyone tries to take too much, then everyone fails: the workers get laid off because the company can't afford them, the management loses their positions as the company fails (and gain a bad reputation as well), and the investors lose their money.

Now we have some self-appointed economic genius telling us that $56 an hour plus benefits is just fine because a CEO makes more. So what? The CEO is also providing a place to work, tools and equipment, medical insurance, life insurance, matching retirement, handling all of the expensive and time-consuming Federal and state government red tape, and then having to hire more people to make sure the worker actually works! And still, there's all that down time because the guy didn't feel like coming in to work today or had something important he needed to take care of, or felt like it was time for a vacation... when I was CEO, there was no vacation. I could go somewhere, but the phone didn't stop ringing. I just might have an office with a beach view for a week. Turn the phone off and the whole thing would be a disaster when I got back.

You want the big bucks? Do that for a while, like 20 years... you can have the big bucks (assuming you can handle it, which you likely can't).

AOC is destroying New York... first Amazon backs out thanks to her, taking all those jobs with them, now these layoffs to use contractors because the idiots who used to work there listened to he idiot in Congress. I don't blame the company one damn bit. Why sit around and provide for someone else when that someone else considers you a 'parasite overlord'? Cheaper to deal with people who consider you a valued client, and a lot easier on the ego.

Some people just don't think things through... if there are no wealthy 'parasite overlords' left, who's gonna give you a job? The bum in the gutter?


posted on Dec, 1 2019 @ 01:25 PM
a reply to: burdman30ott6

Reality of how the real world works 101. Or maybe 75...because these are things everyone, no exceptions, should know.

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posted on Dec, 1 2019 @ 01:27 PM
a reply to: pexx421

Are you even listening to yourself??

Redistribution at the point of a gun, eh? Or a lynching noose? ...and when someone comes for your stuff, will you, nil you??

How about, instead, you earn it? Sweat of your brow...which is how its supposed to work.

posted on Dec, 1 2019 @ 01:29 PM
Reply to redneck,

Sure, but this doesn’t explain the divergence between productivity and wages that happened in the 70’s and has increased since then. And I understand that a certain percentage of that comes from all the deductions that have increased dramatically as well. So let’s take a prime example. Pharma has been allowed to manipulate legislation that has enabled them runaway profits with no corresponding increase in the value of their products. This, along with health insurance and predatory healthcare profiteering, have greatly inflated the labor costs of the American worker.

So specifically here we have a sector of the economy whose massive profit allowance have become a massive burden on the working public.

Now this is just one example, there are plenty others that are very clear as well, such as bank bailouts, extortionist banking fees and interest. There’s rising education costs due to our current behemoth admin model, without a corresponding increase in the quality of our education. There’s privatization of utilities creating local monopolies and expanding costs without associated increases in levels of service. Etc.

And there’s another factor as well. Another poster stated that we all work together, and if a company does well the owner profits, the shareholders profit, the execs profit, and the workers profit. But that’s not true. If the company profits now, for the vast majority of Americans, what happens is the execs profit. The owner or shareholders profit. The managers profit. But the workers make the same they would working for any other x,y, z company that does the same kind of work. And THATS where the disconnect is. Sure, there are some niche companies in niche fields where workers may get a bonus based upon a companies performance. But that’s not the reality for the vast majority of companies and workers.
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posted on Dec, 1 2019 @ 01:29 PM
a reply to: neo96

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez ran AMAZON out of New York City too. AOC is BAD FOR AMERICA.

posted on Dec, 1 2019 @ 01:42 PM

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: pexx421

Are you even listening to yourself??

Redistribution at the point of a gun, eh? Or a lynching noose? ...and when someone comes for your stuff, will you, nil you??

How about, instead, you earn it? Sweat of your brow...which is how its supposed to work.

And you’re apparently not listening to myself. I’m just explaining the reality of the world demonstrated throughout history. You think businesses don’t use the point of a gun to guarantee their right to other peoples money? That’s what the labor wars in the us were all about, enforced by pinkertons, the national guard, and other mercenary groups. That’s what the coup in Honduras was about, as well as Bolivia and our attempts in Venezuela. That’s what the war and destruction of Libya was about, and the destruction of the Greek economy. The only difference is that the oligarchs are MUCH quicker to use violence to enforce their exploitation than the working class are to fight for the return on their labor.

But I guess, to you, being in a position of ownership and authority gives one absolute right to control over who gets what percentage of the profits that their labor created. There’s a reason that govt representatives are supposed to have limited authority. The reasons for that also apply to leaders of businesses and industry as well. Companies should not have the power to dictate legislation. Corporate Boardrooms are not where wars and interventions should be launched from. And 80% of our waking life should not be spent in what are, for all intents and purposes, little corporate tyrannies, where they can dictate exactly what you do, how you do it, what you say, and even how you entertain yourself or behave on that 20% of waking life you enjoy at home. And how much of the money made between you and them that they get to keep, without any real input from you.

So, all that aside, how do you think the lack of transparency effects society? You think it’s good and appropriate that today’s corporations have almost all the power in employer/employee relations? You think it’s appropriate that how much money our peers make is hidden from us? Along with the very algorithm they use to decide how much we should get paid? You think it’s good that businesses have little to no accountability?

posted on Dec, 1 2019 @ 01:52 PM
a reply to: network dude

I was once a small business owner. I'm about to start a new enterprise, this time with family. I should say this time with a larger number of family. My first business I ended up bringing in my sister and mother. Smartest move I ever made, and definately was the key to our success.

This time I am starting with mostly family, all of us retired, all looking forward to giving back, looking to make a profit, but none of us are going into it for the money.

Small businesses and most Ma and Pa businesses are not about getting rich. It is so hard to make it, when your competition is cutthroat and greedy.

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